i hope he dies. I'm tired on happy stories, make it dark, make his death amazing, make it emotional, give him all the props he would ever need, but kill thane!
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 09:19
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BigC-VI wrote...
i hope he dies. I'm tired on happy stories, make it dark, make his death amazing, make it emotional, give him all the props he would ever need, but kill thane!
Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, writing the comment your comment could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear, look again the reply is now diamonds.Anything is possible when you think before you post.
( Not my invention of words, but i thought like it needed to be posted, and it's not directed only at you BigVI )
P.S: First. I respect your " wondrous" opinion when it comes to Thane dying. I really do. But to put it this way. You say happy ending. You're tired of such endings filled with rainbow and ponies ? Understandable...
Then i guess even if Tali or Jack or Miranda..hell maybe Ashley ..or all four of them die or something somewhere in ME3, you won't mind. After all, you're tired of happy endings and stories.
P.S.S: I'm sorry if this sounded like, me, being rude or such ( it was not my intention). But i really really really am tired of scrolling up and down some forum topics reading about how some characters should live and others not. Clearly, at this point, we're all defending our favourite characters, hoping that we won't get them wrapped in some nice red bow with a tag hanging from it saying " Oi, just stopping by to say ...hello from cameoland." I don't see why your (or other) favourite or favourites should have more chances to live, be part of crew in ME3 and have a happy ending, while others should just...die or get lost. And to add, as it was said many times, Thane is not defined by death...illness is not what defines him. It only affects some of his decisions. ( this is not a rant, despite appearing as one )
So if Bioware do decide to kill off Thane, one way or another, it would surely be fair from their side that they send one male LI, to the dark side as well. For justice of course.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 09:41
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Aello87 wrote...
*snip*
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 10:10
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Aello87 wrote...
BigC-VI wrote...
i hope he dies. I'm tired on happy stories, make it dark, make his death amazing, make it emotional, give him all the props he would ever need, but kill thane!
Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, writing the comment your comment could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear, look again the reply is now diamonds.Anything is possible when you think before you post.
:Di lol'd
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 10:15
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@Aello
You actually bring up a good point. And I think that is why killing character is such a challenge in ME. One way or another, they are going to important, so It makes it difficult to have one die. But imo the expendable characters are going to be, Thane, Jack, Zaeed, Jacob, and Sadly...Garuss are all character whom have no real connections that will benefit Shepard in the coming battle. Tali, even though wildly liked and equally hated, has the option to become an admiral and bring the quarians into the fray. Same with Legion, after rewriting (or destroying) the heretics, his forces will undoubtedly join. Miranda is also equally expendable when I think of it, unless dealing with the SR2's crew is counted as a reason to stay (being a LI interest among other things) Mordin brings unparalleled scientific knowledge to the team, and could also possibly bring the STG into the battles. (Be cool for a STG/Quarian spec ops mission) Samara will also most likely leave after completing your mission (but could bring back the Justicars), along with Zaeed after getting paid.
Back to the point of that all, Thane has nothing but his skill to bring to the table, and like Kasumi, deals in shadows, something which most of ME3 will most likely not be. These are characters made for the suicide mission, nothing more.
P.S. Sorry for the major jumble of thoughts up there, it all makes sense if you read it a couple of times haha
You actually bring up a good point. And I think that is why killing character is such a challenge in ME. One way or another, they are going to important, so It makes it difficult to have one die. But imo the expendable characters are going to be, Thane, Jack, Zaeed, Jacob, and Sadly...Garuss are all character whom have no real connections that will benefit Shepard in the coming battle. Tali, even though wildly liked and equally hated, has the option to become an admiral and bring the quarians into the fray. Same with Legion, after rewriting (or destroying) the heretics, his forces will undoubtedly join. Miranda is also equally expendable when I think of it, unless dealing with the SR2's crew is counted as a reason to stay (being a LI interest among other things) Mordin brings unparalleled scientific knowledge to the team, and could also possibly bring the STG into the battles. (Be cool for a STG/Quarian spec ops mission) Samara will also most likely leave after completing your mission (but could bring back the Justicars), along with Zaeed after getting paid.
Back to the point of that all, Thane has nothing but his skill to bring to the table, and like Kasumi, deals in shadows, something which most of ME3 will most likely not be. These are characters made for the suicide mission, nothing more.
P.S. Sorry for the major jumble of thoughts up there, it all makes sense if you read it a couple of times haha
Modifié par BigC-VI, 11 août 2010 - 10:16 .
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 10:42
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BigC-VI wrote...
Samara will also most likely leave after completing your mission
I've considered this, but with the way ME2 ends, I wonder what the end of the mission truly is. Why would Samara stop after the Collectors? If you did her loyalty quest, she doesn't have that to deal with anymore, and a reaper invasion is arguably way way way more significant than the Collectors. Same with Thane. I think so long as he's able to function, he will continue to help Shepard.
Zaeed and Kasumi both brought up the big pay day from Cerberus for joining up with Shepard, and were both DLC, so I can see why they might back down or not be around for ME3 for one reason or another -- at the very least, I think their roles would be the easiest to write out.
I think, if you got your squad mate's loyalty, and they survived the suicide mission, it's reasonable to think they would continue onto fighting the Reapers with you. The idea of going out and building a whole new crew of people with personal problems that needs fixing and trust that needs to be gained before going into what should probably be the most important battle in the galaxy just seems... silly. From a story-telling standpoint at the very least.
Or, for once, it should be entirely up to Shepard. No more Alliance trying to tell her what to do, or Council, or Cerberus. Pick from a pool you've earned, with some new people as options as well, since there will be some Shepards that didn't survive the suicide mission in 2, and BAM. Go kick some Reaper butt.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 10:43
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Aello87 wrote...
*snipawesomesnip*
BigC-VI wrote...
*snip*
So, you think that we'll get an entirely new squad for ME3? That's what I am getting from your post. If not, you think Tali, Legion, Mordin and possibly Samara will remain?
An interesting selection.
BigC-VI wrote...
Back to the point of that all, Thane has nothing but his skill to bring to the table, and like Kasumi, deals in shadows, something which most of ME3 will most likely not be. These are characters made for the suicide mission, nothing more.
I don't quite understand this line. Each character has his or her unique skill that they bring to the table, it's why they were recruited for Shepard's team. Even Rupert does plumbing, HVAC and minor electrical repair in addition to being the ship's cook. Thane is an assassin and assassins have the reputation of being shadowy wo/men, true, but I can think of a good many situations to utilize an assassin, especially one with Thane's skills who kills up close and personal as well as from a distance.
We'll have to agree to disagree on your last statement. I believe the entire team was made to be Shepard's be-all-end-all squad (with the addition of Liara and the Virmire Survivor) to bring the fight to the Reapers for ME3.
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Posté 11 août 2010 - 11:59
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Thane dying could make for great tragic storytelling if my FemShep who romanced him being crushed and going through the aftermath is part of it. Of course, it could also be great if she risks her life and limb and does something incredible to save him. Either way will work for me, just give us some DLC to make it happen, BioWare. >
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 12:11
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[quote]cindalkitty wrote...
[quote]BigC-VI wrote...
Samara will also most likely leave after completing your mission [/quote]
Or, for once, it should be entirely up to Shepard. No more Alliance trying to tell her what to do, or Council, or Cerberus. Pick from a pool you've earned, with some new people as options as well, since there will be some Shepards that didn't survive the suicide mission in 2, and BAM. Go kick some Reaper butt.
[/quote]
This^
What I'm saying is that now we have had two squads, on looking into ME characters, it will probally be a mixeture of the two.
But you bring up a good point with Samara that didnt cross my mind. justicars are meant to fight Evil, so I guess she would either stay or gather the other justicars to help fight. I stand corrected.
They can write out Zaeed creativly, because I so want to kill that bastard! Ahem...-composes self- sorry. ..
[quote]BigC-VI wrote...
Back to the point of that all, Thane
has nothing but his skill to bring to the table, and like Kasumi,
deals in shadows, something which most of ME3 will most likely not be.
These are characters made for the suicide mission, nothing
more. [/quote]
I don't quite understand this line. Each
character has his or her unique skill that they bring to the table, it's
why they were recruited for Shepard's team. Even Rupert does plumbing,
HVAC and minor electrical repair in addition to being the ship's cook.
Thane is an assassin and assassins have the reputation of being shadowy
wo/men, true, but I can think of a good many situations to utilize an
assassin, especially one with Thane's skills who kills up close and
personal as well as from a distance.
We'll have to agree to
disagree on your last statement. I believe the entire team was made to
be Shepard's be-all-end-all squad (with the addition of Liara and the
Virmire Survivor) to bring the fight to the Reapers for ME3.[/quote]
That wasn't the intention of the post and I'm sorry it came off that way.
I see where a need for an assassin would come in, but what I was saying was that each character (The ones I mentioned) brought their skills and something extra (Armies or huge amounts of useful skill) not just a shadowy, dying character who is a good killer, they are all pretty good killers, or they wouldn't be on the team.
[quote] So, you think that we'll get an entirely new squad for ME3? That's what
I am getting from your post. If not, you think Tali, Legion, Mordin
and possibly Samara will remain?
An interesting selection.[/quote]
No exsactly, I'm saying those would be the character that bring the most to the table, and hell, I wanna bring garuss along too, he's my bro
But I think with them, the virmire suvivour, and liara.
Plus, another I forgot to mention was Grunt. He, along with the cure to the genophage from Mordin's mission, could very well rally the Krogan, and allow Grunt to stay on the ship as a speaker for Clan Urdnot. (Much like Tali would be present on the SR2 but on the admiratily board)
As for Aello's original post regaurding killing Thane and another LI. Imo, the best bet would to be kill Miranda if your LI was Jack, and Vice Versa.
Again, sorry for the scrambeledness of the post.
[quote]BigC-VI wrote...
Samara will also most likely leave after completing your mission [/quote]
Or, for once, it should be entirely up to Shepard. No more Alliance trying to tell her what to do, or Council, or Cerberus. Pick from a pool you've earned, with some new people as options as well, since there will be some Shepards that didn't survive the suicide mission in 2, and BAM. Go kick some Reaper butt.
[/quote]
This^
What I'm saying is that now we have had two squads, on looking into ME characters, it will probally be a mixeture of the two.
But you bring up a good point with Samara that didnt cross my mind. justicars are meant to fight Evil, so I guess she would either stay or gather the other justicars to help fight. I stand corrected.
They can write out Zaeed creativly, because I so want to kill that bastard! Ahem...-composes self- sorry. ..
[quote]BigC-VI wrote...
Back to the point of that all, Thane
has nothing but his skill to bring to the table, and like Kasumi,
deals in shadows, something which most of ME3 will most likely not be.
These are characters made for the suicide mission, nothing
more. [/quote]
I don't quite understand this line. Each
character has his or her unique skill that they bring to the table, it's
why they were recruited for Shepard's team. Even Rupert does plumbing,
HVAC and minor electrical repair in addition to being the ship's cook.
Thane is an assassin and assassins have the reputation of being shadowy
wo/men, true, but I can think of a good many situations to utilize an
assassin, especially one with Thane's skills who kills up close and
personal as well as from a distance.
We'll have to agree to
disagree on your last statement. I believe the entire team was made to
be Shepard's be-all-end-all squad (with the addition of Liara and the
Virmire Survivor) to bring the fight to the Reapers for ME3.[/quote]
That wasn't the intention of the post and I'm sorry it came off that way.
I see where a need for an assassin would come in, but what I was saying was that each character (The ones I mentioned) brought their skills and something extra (Armies or huge amounts of useful skill) not just a shadowy, dying character who is a good killer, they are all pretty good killers, or they wouldn't be on the team.
[quote] So, you think that we'll get an entirely new squad for ME3? That's what
I am getting from your post. If not, you think Tali, Legion, Mordin
and possibly Samara will remain?
An interesting selection.[/quote]
No exsactly, I'm saying those would be the character that bring the most to the table, and hell, I wanna bring garuss along too, he's my bro
But I think with them, the virmire suvivour, and liara.
Plus, another I forgot to mention was Grunt. He, along with the cure to the genophage from Mordin's mission, could very well rally the Krogan, and allow Grunt to stay on the ship as a speaker for Clan Urdnot. (Much like Tali would be present on the SR2 but on the admiratily board)
As for Aello's original post regaurding killing Thane and another LI. Imo, the best bet would to be kill Miranda if your LI was Jack, and Vice Versa.
Again, sorry for the scrambeledness of the post.
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Avrithor wrote...
Thane dying could make for great tragic storytelling if my FemShep who romanced him being crushed and going through the aftermath is part of it. Of course, it could also be great if she risks her life and limb and does something incredible to save him. Either way will work for me, just give us some DLC to make it happen, BioWare. >
I've always really liked a hero's story to be Tragic. My newest ManShep happens to be the saddest one. Colonist/Soul Suvivor made him into a warm hearted person with a chip on his shoulder. Much like the normal Paragade. Then, when he finally starts to open up to Ashley, the virmire incedent happens and he forces himself to ensure that the nuculear bomb goes off, which kaiden was gaurding. She dies as he is left alone again. In ME2, he meets Jack who is also some what of a tortured sole, and he makes an extra effort to kiddle their relationship. I still haven't decided if I'm going to kill her off in the colloector ship or not....I think not
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 12:48
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Giving us Thane, and then giving him a death sentence, is enough of a kick in the vag, if you ask me. At least let me have him for one more game, even if it means his demise! Blaze of glory, baby.
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 01:01
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Avrithor wrote...
Thane dying could make for great tragic storytelling if my FemShep who romanced him being crushed and going through the aftermath is part of it. Of course, it could also be great if she risks her life and limb and does something incredible to save him. Either way will work for me, just give us some DLC to make it happen, BioWare. >
or your femshep got properly impregnated. hanar would say, "this believes with unblemished sincerity and good faith, she got drelled good".
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 02:37
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It is fasicnating that as I see in the polls...
Half want him dead and half want him alive.
That easy. Bioware can have both options.
I like for them to keep him alive at least for the third one. I would love to see after defeating the Reapers, Shepard take him to the desert he always wanted to see. It would be a nice moment and climax for the LI.
Half want him dead and half want him alive.
That easy. Bioware can have both options.
I like for them to keep him alive at least for the third one. I would love to see after defeating the Reapers, Shepard take him to the desert he always wanted to see. It would be a nice moment and climax for the LI.
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 03:22
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BigC-VI wrote...
i hope he dies. I'm tired on happy stories, make it dark, make his death amazing, make it emotional, give him all the props he would ever need, but kill thane!
IccaRa expressed my feelings on this exactly:
IccaRa wrote...
I think the illness was a low blow, and
the way the fandom plays it up is a blight against the character. I
think it would be absolutely stupid for Thane to die, and infinitely so
at any point during ME3 (I won't even mention pre-ME3, because that's
leaping into the realm of the *morbidly* stupid.)
Anyone who
thinks -- should Thane die -- that we will be treated to a tear-jerking
scene, or that his death will somehow matter... really? You actually
think him dying will matter at all, or that the game will do it any
justice? Really? Seriously?
Yeah, I guess Kaidan/Ashley's
dramatic sacrifice on Virmire was played out so well and we were able to
show the profound influence it had on Shep and... oh wait, no we
weren't, it happened and we had two lines of dialog after-mission and
then it's never brought up again. Oh, well, you do get a news report in
ME2? And one line of interchangeable dialog with Miranda at the start of
the game?
I guess losing team mates in the suicide mission is
pretty tear-jerking, I mean we get individual cut scenes for them, and
we get to talk about their loss after the mission is over, and express
the affect they had on Shep -- wait, nope. They might as well have never
existed.
Please. Him dying will be the most undramatic event
ever. Besides, writing someone's death is easy, but writing someone's
life is hard. I want to see some good writing; Thane was just starting
his story by the end of ME2. A new chapter in his life and the life of
his son, and Shepard. I guess some people think having the book yanked
away from you and tossed in a bonfire while you're midway through
reading it is OH SO ENGAGING, but I'm not one of them. It just pisses me
off.
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BigC-VI wrote...
As for Aello's original post regaurding killing Thane and another LI. Imo, the best bet would to be kill Miranda if your LI was Jack, and Vice Versa.
The awesomeness of this one's sentance is so strong, that i feel compelled to headdeask myself a couple of times. No offence, but cleary what you're saying here is....
You calibrate Jack = Miranda goes to the dark side, so does her ass.
You calibrate Thane = ...oh right... there's no vice versa since Thane dies anyway
so that means....
Either way Thane's doomed, and those who like him can easily prepare tissues.... torches and pitchforks.
Warning: wall of text, but you get a cookie if you read it
P.S: Iccara, Kimi ( kaimana ), and few others explained it more then couple of times that Thane was cleary a victim of over the top drama. They also explain as did i that his illness is not his number 1 trait and will never be. Are you changed as a person when you're sick? Does it affect your personality? Probably not.
It's same with Thane. It was said even in his official presentation that something else changed Thane : and that change has to deal his family and the loss of it. But if you listen his words properly, if you dare to understand his sentances you clearly see that even when he had a family he was sensitive, thoughtful, and one badass assassin. Illness hasn't changed that. He accepted his death and isn't whiney about it....he isn't whiney even if Femshep romances him. He's only afraid. Now is that bad, and unatural? No.
About other characters. I won't add anything, becasue it's too early to speculate. Each of them has their own skills, their own role in the world and each is equally important. For now. Samara has as much reason to stay as she has to leave...Grunt as well, and all the rest. If Bioware decides that a certain character can add more from cameoland, than even our broken hearts and tons of speculations won't change that. Truth is that, sadly, there's so many written but not explained posts where guys will go and defend Miranda, Tali and others that were baddass, not whiney, ego boosting, or simply had some glourious package called the rear, but they'll simply forget that even we girls, women have LI's, our favourites which may not have glourious rear but rather have glorious, complex, difficult to understand on moments personalities.
I'm at least glad to see that you're not one among the bunch that will defend, till the death of keyboard, Tali or Miranda or Legion...etc. , but that you at least considered that each ot the charatcers can have a reason to leave the squad in ME3.
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I have been lurking and reading but I I need to write something. Disclaimer: in my opinion, Thane is a really interesting and complex character. I love him. I wish there were more writing in games like how Thane is written.
When I read fanfiction or look at fanart I see three reasons/rationales people use to shy away from Thane:
1. He's dying.
2. He's been married.
3. He has a child.
All three are valid, we know this. The most common idea I see is to shy away from it when really, what stops us from looking at it?
He's dying. BUT he's alive right now. He's alive until that last moment of breath. If you ever worked in hospice or know someone with a terminal illness, this is true. Some hate the fact they are dying and are angry but there are some, who looked at the world, in the twilight of their lives, to see the beauty and joy. They see there is wonder in the world and in the life we have.
I once spent an afternoon with someone who knew they were dying and the entire time they found joy in the most simplistic things. The beauty of the rain, the smell of flowers, the warmth of a persons touch. It made me appreciate life all the more. I see this in Thane. My Shepard won't shy away from that. To know him for how ever long they had, it would be worth it. Because in the end, we are all going to face death. So why not see the wonder of life instead of pronouncing it unworthy?
He has a wife. Again people shy away because he loved another person before Shepard. I don't understand this. We all have a first love, does that negate the rest of the loves in our lives? You can only love once and that's it? What about all the other forms of love? Such as family or friends? Why does there have to be one kind of love and why are we limited?
He lost her but he loved her. She was his world and it broke him to lose her. Wow. I heard that and my first thought was, I want to be loved like that. I want to be loved and know that I am someone's world. But I wouldn't want my death to break them. I would want to them to love again. I think Irikah would have told Thane this. He just didn't meet that person, yet. He was committed once, he is not afraid of it and he can commit again. Its not a weakness its a strength.
Plus when you look at our society, half of all marriages end in divorce. The likelihood of finding the "one true love" and being married forever, well, I know some do but some don't. Also, I don't buy into the whole one true love. That there is only one person out there for you. That you were destined to be with that one person. That would mean there is fate or destiny, and that diminishes free will. I prefer to think I chose, rather than being forced.
He has a child. Sure he abandoned him, he wasn't there to raise him but he came back. Its not that he didn't love Kolyat, he knew his life wasn't suited for a child. I know many single mother's and the fathers aren't gone because they left to help their child. No, they left because they wanted too. Because they didn't know what it meant to be a father.
I know many people who grew up in single parent homes. Not many have a chance to know their father when they are older. Thane took responsibility. He tried to do the best he could for Kolyat and he failed. This doesn't make his character a failure, it only means he made the wrong choice and almost lost his son. To me, it makes him more.... human.
I could be wrong, I could be right. In the end it doesn't matter. I look forward to how this story plays out. I hope Thane is around for a long, long time. But if he does die, then it won't make for better reading or a better game. It means he's gone. To lose someone, in real life, to death, why would anyone want that? Even if they had a terminal illness and you knew that they were no longer in pain. Their death meant, they were no longer here, their gone and nothing will replace them. Nothing.Why would you want that?
When I read fanfiction or look at fanart I see three reasons/rationales people use to shy away from Thane:
1. He's dying.
2. He's been married.
3. He has a child.
All three are valid, we know this. The most common idea I see is to shy away from it when really, what stops us from looking at it?
He's dying. BUT he's alive right now. He's alive until that last moment of breath. If you ever worked in hospice or know someone with a terminal illness, this is true. Some hate the fact they are dying and are angry but there are some, who looked at the world, in the twilight of their lives, to see the beauty and joy. They see there is wonder in the world and in the life we have.
I once spent an afternoon with someone who knew they were dying and the entire time they found joy in the most simplistic things. The beauty of the rain, the smell of flowers, the warmth of a persons touch. It made me appreciate life all the more. I see this in Thane. My Shepard won't shy away from that. To know him for how ever long they had, it would be worth it. Because in the end, we are all going to face death. So why not see the wonder of life instead of pronouncing it unworthy?
He has a wife. Again people shy away because he loved another person before Shepard. I don't understand this. We all have a first love, does that negate the rest of the loves in our lives? You can only love once and that's it? What about all the other forms of love? Such as family or friends? Why does there have to be one kind of love and why are we limited?
He lost her but he loved her. She was his world and it broke him to lose her. Wow. I heard that and my first thought was, I want to be loved like that. I want to be loved and know that I am someone's world. But I wouldn't want my death to break them. I would want to them to love again. I think Irikah would have told Thane this. He just didn't meet that person, yet. He was committed once, he is not afraid of it and he can commit again. Its not a weakness its a strength.
Plus when you look at our society, half of all marriages end in divorce. The likelihood of finding the "one true love" and being married forever, well, I know some do but some don't. Also, I don't buy into the whole one true love. That there is only one person out there for you. That you were destined to be with that one person. That would mean there is fate or destiny, and that diminishes free will. I prefer to think I chose, rather than being forced.
He has a child. Sure he abandoned him, he wasn't there to raise him but he came back. Its not that he didn't love Kolyat, he knew his life wasn't suited for a child. I know many single mother's and the fathers aren't gone because they left to help their child. No, they left because they wanted too. Because they didn't know what it meant to be a father.
I know many people who grew up in single parent homes. Not many have a chance to know their father when they are older. Thane took responsibility. He tried to do the best he could for Kolyat and he failed. This doesn't make his character a failure, it only means he made the wrong choice and almost lost his son. To me, it makes him more.... human.
I could be wrong, I could be right. In the end it doesn't matter. I look forward to how this story plays out. I hope Thane is around for a long, long time. But if he does die, then it won't make for better reading or a better game. It means he's gone. To lose someone, in real life, to death, why would anyone want that? Even if they had a terminal illness and you knew that they were no longer in pain. Their death meant, they were no longer here, their gone and nothing will replace them. Nothing.Why would you want that?
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 01:30
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^ Agreed.
Wouldn't you want to show a dying man life and love, giving him hope?
Thane wants to see some good in world...are you going to shy away or show him some good that despite all the death and destruction, life and love still flourish?
Wouldn't you want to show a dying man life and love, giving him hope?
Thane wants to see some good in world...are you going to shy away or show him some good that despite all the death and destruction, life and love still flourish?
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 01:59
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I don't know that I can follow Aello's and Hain's excellent posts. Both said what I've been saying for a long long time, but they word it better than I could hope to, for sure.
What I love about both your guys' posts is that you bring up Thane's perceived 'weaknesses'. Thane is weak because :
1. He's afraid.
2. He was in love once.
3. He's a father.
4. He's old. (That is mostly a joke, but I've seen plenty of people cite that as a reason to dislike Thane.)
So, my question is in the same vein as Aello's and Hain's. How do any of those make a person weak?
Thane is afraid of dying, but not as one might think. Imagine that you have been diagnosed with a debilitating disease and the doctor told you you had about a year to live. A year. 365 days. That's not alot of time. What would you do if on day 172 you looked across the table at a man or woman you'd met, who visited with you, talked with you, helped you find peace in reconciling with your estranged child, believed in you, stood by you despite the fact that you might not be there to do the same and realized that you loved that person? Would you feel elated? Would you feel despair? Joy? Rage? Fear? All of the above?
For all that's gone wrong in Thane's life, his meeting Shepard is one of the things that's gone right. And once they become involved he's afraid of dying, today, tomorrow, a week from now and not feeling what he thought he could never feel again, of losing the person who helped him find his way, of leaving behind the person who was strong when he thought he was weak. How does feeling what he feels make him a lesser person?
I've been round and round about Irikah and Kolyat so I'm just going to let that lie. I understand some people are tired of BW reusing those character traits and I get it, I do. But I don't see Thane's life before Shepard as a negative. I see his experiences making his life richer, for better or worse - he lived, he loved.
And yeah, he's old. But he's pretty hot for an old guy. I'd jump his geriatric bones, I mean, hello - have you seen those thighs?
What I love about both your guys' posts is that you bring up Thane's perceived 'weaknesses'. Thane is weak because :
1. He's afraid.
2. He was in love once.
3. He's a father.
4. He's old. (That is mostly a joke, but I've seen plenty of people cite that as a reason to dislike Thane.)
So, my question is in the same vein as Aello's and Hain's. How do any of those make a person weak?
Thane is afraid of dying, but not as one might think. Imagine that you have been diagnosed with a debilitating disease and the doctor told you you had about a year to live. A year. 365 days. That's not alot of time. What would you do if on day 172 you looked across the table at a man or woman you'd met, who visited with you, talked with you, helped you find peace in reconciling with your estranged child, believed in you, stood by you despite the fact that you might not be there to do the same and realized that you loved that person? Would you feel elated? Would you feel despair? Joy? Rage? Fear? All of the above?
For all that's gone wrong in Thane's life, his meeting Shepard is one of the things that's gone right. And once they become involved he's afraid of dying, today, tomorrow, a week from now and not feeling what he thought he could never feel again, of losing the person who helped him find his way, of leaving behind the person who was strong when he thought he was weak. How does feeling what he feels make him a lesser person?
I've been round and round about Irikah and Kolyat so I'm just going to let that lie. I understand some people are tired of BW reusing those character traits and I get it, I do. But I don't see Thane's life before Shepard as a negative. I see his experiences making his life richer, for better or worse - he lived, he loved.
And yeah, he's old. But he's pretty hot for an old guy. I'd jump his geriatric bones, I mean, hello - have you seen those thighs?
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 02:12
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This is exactly how I viewed his romance. Some people keep making the joke that romancing someone who's about to die isn't right and whatnot, but I couldn't disagree more, for the reasons you all provided. I mean, romancing Garrus? Well, Garrus is my bro, but I'm not going to make him get past that. Jacob? Well, I'm not into cheap porno. The only other FemShep romance that I like is Kaidan's, although it's in no way as beautiful and emotionally engaging as Thane's.kaimanaMM wrote...
I don't know that I can follow Aello's and Hain's excellent posts. Both said what I've been saying for a long long time, but they word it better than I could hope to, for sure.
What I love about both your guys' posts is that you bring up Thane's perceived 'weaknesses'. Thane is weak because :
1. He's afraid.
2. He was in love once.
3. He's a father.
4. He's old. (That is mostly a joke, but I've seen plenty of people cite that as a reason to dislike Thane.)
So, my question is in the same vein as Aello's and Hain's. How do any of those make a person weak?
Thane is afraid of dying, but not as one might think. Imagine that you have been diagnosed with a debilitating disease and the doctor told you you had about a year to live. A year. 365 days. That's not alot of time. What would you do if on day 172 you looked across the table at a man or woman you'd met, who visited with you, talked with you, helped you find peace in reconciling with your estranged child, believed in you, stood by you despite the fact that you might not be there to do the same and realized that you loved that person? Would you feel elated? Would you feel despair? Joy? Rage? Fear? All of the above?
For all that's gone wrong in Thane's life, his meeting Shepard is one of the things that's gone right. And once they become involved he's afraid of dying, today, tomorrow, a week from now and not feeling what he thought he could never feel again, of losing the person who helped him find his way, of leaving behind the person who was strong when he thought he was weak. How does feeling what he feels make him a lesser person?
I've been round and round about Irikah and Kolyat so I'm just going to let that lie. I understand some people are tired of BW reusing those character traits and I get it, I do. But I don't see Thane's life before Shepard as a negative. I see his experiences making his life richer, for better or worse - he lived, he loved.
And yeah, he's old. But he's pretty hot for an old guy. I'd jump his geriatric bones, I mean, hello - have you seen those thighs?
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 02:20
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Thane is old? I thought mass effect wiki estimated him to be 38 or 39! That's old. Ahhhh! I'm getting old! Haha..
Heck, if he is in his late thirties, he's getting to the best part of life.
Heck, if he is in his late thirties, he's getting to the best part of life.
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 02:21
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Yes, he's apparently in his late 30's, though I'm not sure if the drell lifespan is the same as is the case with humans, but I'd imagine it to be more or less the same.
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 02:22
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I think Drell live on average to 85 years old.
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 02:23
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Then it's the same as the human lifespan. Therefore, Thane isn't really old.
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 02:26
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afaik human lifespan in Mass Effect future is about 150 years or so
so Thane's old
so Thane's old
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Posté 12 août 2010 - 02:31
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I forgot it was 150 years long in ME. Stupid brain...mashavasilec wrote...
afaik human lifespan in Mass Effect future is about 150 years or so
so Thane's old
Still, if the average drell lifespan is 85ish, then Thane isn't really old as in, well, old.
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