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[General Ashous]

Thane's calm and collectedness is the best part of his personality. I think his conscience doesn't allow him to feel the guilt for himself but instead shifts it over to his employer. I think that hearing Irikah would have been nice. I would have loved that to have been his loyalty but I loved the Kolyat story as it was rather touching and showed us what can happen if you make the wrong choices and how they can affect other people. I am actually one of those deeply spirtual people and am actually quite calm and collected in almost any situation.

[TheSweetGirl]

Everytime he says an assassin is a tool to be used and wielded, so does that mean Thane only sees himself as a tool?



I wonder if he thought this when he was with teh Hanar or he always thought that.

[General Ashous]

I think that's what he means. I believe what he is trying to say is that he is the weapon and the employer is the person who pulls the trigger. At the end of the day, if they didn't employ him then the person he is hired to kill would live. So, although he is the killer, he didn't choose to kill them of his own free will like the employer but was payed to eliminate the person. I think he would have seen himself as being a more appreciated weapon when he worked for the hanar.

[TheSweetGirl]

Yeah, the hanar regretted their need for him and I think the Hanar used him more for protecting their species which is noble. When he freelanced...yeah...many people are not as noble and excessively polite.

[General Ashous]

Indeed. The hanar recquired, defence and security, of sorts, and could not kill themselves so trained assassins to do the job. Therefore, Thane was, in a way, a soldier for the hanar's army. However, as a galactic assassin, he was used to commit murders that people dare not do temselves. He was more just a hitman for hire with little appreciation.

[JECWSU]

It's a shame that this all had to happen to him at such a young age. Then again he might not be the person he is today if his life had been any different.

[TheSweetGirl]

Hainkpe wrote...

About time I was able to get back to the board. Missed being here. This is a great conversation! But in the end, I think a very good question is being overlooked.

What makes you a bad person? What is bad, evil?

I was taught evil was a privation. But I was also taught that there are two of everything. For the bad, there is good. You can't have one without the other. Everything in balance. We as humans have the capacity for good but we also have the capacity for bad. 

I read that and thought: The Concept of Original Sin. 

Edit: Wait, did Thane say in one of his dialogues that our body is not our true self?

Modifié par TheSweetGirl, 25 septembre 2010 - 06:37 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

TheSweetGirl wrote...


Edit: Wait, did Thane say in one of his dialogues that our body is not our true self?

Yes, he did.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Alright Thane lovers, I've been playing through Mass Effect 2 again, and Mordin's little 'pep talk' with Shepard about Thane made me wonder...did Mordin give Thane the same talk? If so, what did he say, and what was our favorite drell's reaction? 

And why oh why couldn't we watch Mordin's 'educational videos'?

[General Ashous]

Indeedy he did. He claimed it to be like Solopsism. I find that an interesting topic but I can't quite believe it myself. Yes good and evil, black and white. Two sides of the same coin. I love philosphy. I too would want to get to know Thane and understand his view were he a real person. He intruiges me and I can relate to him in his spirituality is similar to myself. I pray to God every day to ask him forgiveness for my sins and thank him.

[hanar05]

kaimanaMM wrote...
I can see him as a security consultant, but certainly it's not as sexy as being an assassin nor would it require him to wear such a snazzy outfit.

Fornax.

[cindalkitty]

If Irikah were still alive, I am not sure he would have joined Shep's squad, even for a price.

It's a suicide mission. He acknowledges that when you meet him. He had been heading toward death because he didn't feel he had anything to live for. Yes, he accepts that he could die in any of his jobs, but he mentions "low survival odds," so he does apparently take odds into some sort of consideration. I think they might concern him more if Irikah were still alive... especially since these same odds of survival disquiet him enough before the Relay to go to Shepard because he wants to live/wants her to live, regardless of his stone-cold die-for-a-cause attitude.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 25 septembre 2010 - 09:49 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

cindalkitty wrote...

If Irikah were still alive, I am not sure he would have joined Shep's squad, even for a price.

It's a suicide mission. He acknowledges that when you meet him. He had been heading toward death because he didn't feel he had anything to live for. Yes, he accepts that he could die in any of his jobs, but he mentions "low survival odds," so he does apparently take odds into some sort of consideration. I think they might concern him more if Irikah were still alive... especially since these same odds of survival disquiet him enough before the Relay to go to Shepard because he wants to live/wants her to live, regardless of his stone-cold die-for-a-cause attitude.

That's why I initially thought he wouldn't have joined.

[cindalkitty]

I can see how citing the Reapers might have some sway over him, but the Reapers aren't brought up in that initial conversation, and even if they were... would Thane accept that Shepard believes they exist and are an imminent threat? He's going with Shepard because he sees trying to save the human colonies from Collector abductions as something worth dying for.

Thane's thoughts on the Collectors are made pretty clear here and there, especially if you take him on the collector ship (read as: ship, not base) with you. It isn't until you go to retrieve the Reaper IFF that he has any lines about Reapers (something about how he'd heard stories but thought they were all myths... or something similar to that... or that could have been re: husk technology... I'd have to replay to be sure), and then of course the end of the game.

So... I dunno if mentioning Reapers would have been good enough or not.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 25 septembre 2010 - 10:07 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm not sure, Cindal, but aren't those lines basically generic?

[kaimanaMM]

I admit, I forget sometimes that it's supposed to be a suicide mission.  Either because I've replayed the game too many times now or because I never really felt the game lived up to that claim in the first place.

And I get interrupted every 5 minutes lately by a five year old constantly raiding my fridge claiming all the chocolate milk!

If the question was of Thane giving his life to make sure Irikah and Kolyat were safe, I think he would.  If it were anyone else, i.e. humanity, I don't see him doing so.

EDIT:  Good point.  Would Thane believe Shepard's Reaper theory?  That question can be posed to all the squadmates though and only the squadmates from ME1 can fully believe Shepard.  For the rest, it'd require a bit of faith.

Modifié par kaimanaMM, 25 septembre 2010 - 10:17 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

kaimanaMM wrote...

I admit, I forget sometimes that it's supposed to be a suicide mission.  Either because I've replayed the game too many times now or because I never really felt the game lived up to that claim in the first place.

And I get interrupted every 5 minutes lately by a five year old constantly raiding my fridge claiming all the chocolate milk!

If the question was of Thane giving his life to make sure Irikah and Kolyat were safe, I think he would.  If it were anyone else, i.e. humanity, I don't see him doing so.

Yup, the mission was about humanity. Shepard says as much when she meets him.

[kaimanaMM]

I know, but we're talking about alternate universes and what ifs right now.

[cindalkitty]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm not sure, Cindal, but aren't those lines basically generic?

Which lines?  the squad comment lines that come up in the derelict reaper?  They are somewhat generic, but still give an idea about the character's view on the Reapers.   *goes searching*

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yes, the lines on the Derelict Reaper as well as the Collector Ship. I'm pretty sure they're all generic.

[CroGamer002]

Liara asks about Thane.

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 septembre 2010 - 10:26 .

[hanar05]

kaimanaMM wrote...
EDIT:  Good point.  Would Thane believe Shepard's Reaper theory?

I'm pretty sure he does!
One of his quotes goes along something like "you've defeated a Reaper".


EDIT: "Shepard, he's just a common criminal. You've killed a Reaper"
There we go.

Modifié par hanar05, 25 septembre 2010 - 10:43 .

[cindalkitty]

Thanks for posting that!

hanar05 wrote...

kaimanaMM wrote...
EDIT:  Good point.  Would Thane believe Shepard's Reaper theory?

I'm pretty sure he does!
One of his quotes goes along something like "you've defeated a Reaper".

Yus, but that's at the end, when they're facing the baby reaper =\\

Modifié par cindalkitty, 25 septembre 2010 - 10:40 .

[hanar05]

cindalkitty wrote...
Yus, but that's at the end, when they're facing the baby reaper =\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

Actually, it's during his loyalty mission.

Modifié par hanar05, 25 septembre 2010 - 10:48 .