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[JECWSU]

Saibh wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Then there would have to be more to it. We know why Jack and Miranda have there fight. Jacks histrory with Cerberus and Miranda working for them and defending them. Tali and Legion is obvious also. The same with Mordin and Grunt . I didn't know they were suppose to have a conflict. That would have been interesting to see. There doesn't seem to be a reason for Thane and Jacob to have a conflict unless there is something about them we don't know.

The conflicts are simply about personal feelings getting in the way. Jacob makes it very clear he doesn't trust Thane--it's possible Thane could have done something suspicious that got Jacob riled up. In the three fights we know about, it's the more impulsive one confronting a calmer one, for good reasons or no.

As I said, it's not in the game. We don't know what Thane or Jacob might have done, but Jacob's suspiciousness would at be explained if they were setting up for a conflict.

JECWSU wrote...

It wasn't directed at you. I know it was just a question. I thought it was a good question. I see a lot of it going around these forums, and most of it is directed at Jacob.  I don't want to see this thread that I enjoy coming into get like that.

I don't see a single person bashing Jacob.

I didn't say anyone was. I said I didn't want it to start.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Joker: Commander? Looks like Jacob just went down to Life Support. You might want to stop whatever's going on between him and Thane, too much testosterone in the room. Do aliens have testosterone?

Shepard: No idea Joker, but I'll check it out.

Shepard walks into Life Support. Thane is sitting at his desk, hands clasped and eyes straight ahead. Jacob is leaning against the wall, arms crossed and looking suspiciously at Thane.

Jacob: Commander, glad you're here. Seems Thane's been keeping himself busy--he's been studying all parts of the ship, checking out potential exits.

Thane: With my profession, one can never be too careful. I admit, it's an old habit.

Jacob: And when I say all parts, I mean it. He broke into your quarters.

Thane: I am Shepard's gun, and my job is to protect. I cannot do so efficiently if there are areas off-limits.

Jacob: He's going to try to kill you, Shepard! I bet that's what he's been planning this whole time. 

Dialogue options pop up

Paragon: Both of you have a point. Jacob, I appreciate the concern, but if we're spending all our time pointing fingers and staying suspicious, we won't be able to work together when we need to. And Thane, thank you for going out of your way, but I don't think I'll be attacked in my cabin anytime soon, and breaking into places will unnerve the crew. I trust both of you with my life--let yourselves do the same.

Renegade: Are you two really fighting over this? Jacob, spending your day whining about what Thane is doing won't solve anything. Go back down to the armory and do your job. And Thane? I'm the Savior of the Citadel, I recently returned from the dead--I don't need anyone else's protection. I'm not afraid of anyone, whether it be the Reapers or my own squadmates. Remember that next time you feel like causing petty drama.

Siding with Jacob: Thane, I've got to agree with Jacob. It's one thing to look around for escape routes, but breaking into anywhere, especially my quarters looks a little suspicious. You're off-limits from my floor, understood?

Siding with Thane: Jacob, Thane wasn't doing anything wrong. He was just doing his job, which is what you should be doing instead of spending all your time worrying about what the other squadmates are doing. Stay away from Life Support, and I'll see you in the Armory.

Aftermath

If Situation Was Defused:

Jacob: Thanks for talking me down, Commander. I'll admit I'm still not sure how I feel about having an assassin on our crew, but Thane seems to be looking out for your best interest--and that's good enough for me.

Thane: Thank you for settling the matter between myself and Jacob. I must admit it feels good to have someone to work with--I've been on my own for too long. It's a nice change of pace.

If you took sides:

Jacob: I'm a little busy here, Commander. Why don't you go sneak around with Thane? Just watch out for that knife in your back.

Thane: It seems my trust in you has been misplaced. I'd prefer not to talk--find Operative Taylor if that's what you're looking for.


(Whew...that was fun! Hope I kept everyone in character )

[Saibh]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

snipsnip

You know, I'm actually pretty impressed. I was expecting anyone who wrote this to be pretty much only on Thane's side, and for the characterizations to be really off--but I was reading everything in their voices, and it sounded right. Really, good job, I mean it. Some lines are little off, but I can honestly see this happening in-game. I was also wondering exactly what they'd fight about; it seemed clear to me that it would be a Legion/Tali thing with Jacob finally having a reason to be suspicious and confront Thane. I find your scenario very plausible.

The biggest thing is I'm not sure whether they'd directly be in a fight. Having a chat with suspicious looks doesn't warrant the Commander stepping in. Biotically throwing chairs around and pointing guns at squadmates does. At the same time, Jacob and Thane are probably the most level people on the squad. I can't imagine how a fight between them would work, especially in cramped Life Support.

Modifié par Saibh, 02 octobre 2010 - 06:16 .

[TheSweetGirl]

That was awesome. Good Job, Cheese.=)

[JECWSU]

That was really good. I enjoyed it.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Thanks you guys

Tried to be as fair as possible--I love Thane, but Jacob's my buddy and I'm not about to take sides. Have to say though, it's really hard imagining the two of them having anything more than a stare-off; they're both pretty level-headed guys. Jacob might start a fight, but the only way I can ever see Thane losing that famed control is if his siha or Kolyat were harmed--he seems to be a bit of a hothead when it comes to love. Though I would kill to see Jacob yelling and waving his shotgun at the vent Thane conventiently scurried up.

I'd love to read someone else's take on a hypothetical Jacob/Thane loyalty fight! Come on, it's fuuuun!

[TheSweetGirl]

Yeah, Thane is hard to get angry but ever hurt his siha or son, he can get pretty vengeful.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Do you guys think Thane ever called Irikah Siha? He thought she was the Goddess Arashu herself.

[Saibh]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Do you guys think Thane ever called Irikah Siha? He thought she was the Goddess Arashu herself.

Well, he thought that a beautiful drell woman stepping in front of a target and declaring judgment was. I'm sure he figured out later she wasn't. Unfortunate implications if he actually were calling you one of the minions of his wife.

He does say that he thought Irikah was a "siha" as well. I really, really hope Thane doesn't call FemShep the same thing he called his dead wife, and only ever refers to Shepard as "siha", and simply called Irikah by her name.

[Fiery Phoenix]

He does, Saibh? I thought he said he thought Irikah was Arashu herself, not a "siha" of hers. Remember, a siha is an angel of Arashu, but not the goddess herself. Thane says he thought Irikah was the goddess -- unless I'm misremembering something as always...

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:55 .

[TheSweetGirl]

He did say "But I met another siha." But that still doesn't say he did. For all we know, Irikah liked to be called by her name.



Thane: Siha.



Irikah: Irikah.



Thane: *bows* Forgive me.



XDD awww

[Fiery Phoenix]

^ LOL!



I do have to say, I don't really remember hearing him say that line. And I've romanced him three times.. duh, stupid brain!



Is it dependent on the selected dialog options, by any chance? Or does Thane say that anyway?

[Thrazesul]

I always assumed Siha was like... a warrior. Shepard is basically a warrior, as she fights and such. I wonder if Irikah did that as well or if she just stood up that one day Thane meet her. But if he said he met another siha, he probably called both of them it.

[TheSweetGirl]

He says the line after you reply to Thane's line: Someone was forcing me to work fast, challenging me..I had to reach her first."

[Fiery Phoenix]

But it doesn't have anything to do withhow you reply to that?

[TheSweetGirl]

Nope, it doesn't.

[disconnect7]

I remember a discussion about Thane possibly calling Irikah "Siha" in this thread. Some are bothered by it others are not. The latter would argue it is just like calling your significant other "honey" or "sweetheart". A term of endearment.

[Fiery Phoenix]

If I had to guess, I would say Thane never outright called Irikah "siha". But that's just me.

[Thrazesul]

Doesn't bother me at all if he called irikah Siha as well. I'm sure it's a common drell term for those who do go by the old Gods.



Still believe he only called Shepard so as I don't think Irikah really fought/was a soldier like Shepard is.

[Saibh]

disconnect7 wrote...

I remember a discussion about Thane possibly calling Irikah "Siha" in this thread. Some are bothered by it others are not. The latter would argue it is just like calling your significant other "honey" or "sweetheart". A term of endearment.

I don't think of it like that--it's not actually term of endearment. It'd be like calling two of your girlfriends "valkyrie" or something. It's so specific as to be suspicious. "Sweetie" or something in general. It can be used on family, friends, pets, or lovers. Most of our endearments can be. "Siha" is a specific title of something he calls Shepard.

I mean, okay, corniness aside, it'd be like calling Thane...uh...igua-- cobra...(I don't know, I can't think of anything else) specifically because he shares some of the traits of one. He specifically reminds you of one, so you give him that nickname affectionately. You might be reminded of some of the same traits in another person, but that title was so specific, wouldn't calling another person that be odd?

I don't know which side you take, but that's the way I see it.

Modifié par Saibh, 02 octobre 2010 - 08:38 .

[disconnect7]

Siha does seem to fit the description of Shepard more. Irikah is a beautiful name, I would think Thane would enjoy saying it to her. It is a possibility he called her Siha a few times, but it never stuck the way it did with Shepard.

[disconnect7]

Saibh wrote...

disconnect7 wrote...

I remember a discussion about Thane possibly calling Irikah "Siha" in this thread. Some are bothered by it others are not. The latter would argue it is just like calling your significant other "honey" or "sweetheart". A term of endearment.

I don't think of it like that--it's not actually term of endearment. It'd be like calling two of your girlfriends "valkyrie" or something. It's so specific as to be suspicious. "Sweetie" or something in general. It can be used on family, friends, pets, or lovers. Most of our endearments can be. "Siha" is a specific title of something he calls Shepard.

I mean, okay, corniness aside, it'd be like calling Thane...uh...igua-- cobra...(I don't know, I can't think of anything el or something, specifically because he shares some of the traits of one. He specifically reminds you of one, so you give him that nickname affectionately. You might be reminded of some of the same traits in another person, but that title was so specific, wouldn't calling another person that be odd?

I don't know which side you take, but that's the way I see it.

Siha is much more specific than those other terms of endearment , I agree, it has much more meaning as well I feel. I was just stating that is how some others have percieved the thought of Thane possibly calling Irikah, Siha. I'm not sure how I would feel if Thane used to call Irikah Siha as well. All I can say is it wouldn't change my feeling's for Thane.

[Fiery Phoenix]

disconnect7 wrote...

Siha does seem to fit the description of Shepard more. Irikah is a beautiful name, I would think Thane would enjoy saying it to her. It is a possibility he called her Siha a few times, but it never stuck the way it did with Shepard.

That's what I think as well. "Siha" does fit Shepard more than Irikah after all.

[JECWSU]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Do you guys think Thane ever called Irikah Siha? He thought she was the Goddess Arashu herself.

He never says he did . All he says was that he met another siha. The doesn't mean he called her that. I always thoght that name was just for Shepard. I could be wrong though.

[kaimanaMM]

Thane isn't a man easily impressed.  Irikah shook him up, her courage and boldness made a pretty big impression on him.  He was also young at the time, remember it's been ten years since her death and if my timeline is right, about ten years that they were married / had Kolyat together.  (If my timeline is off, don't flog me too hard.)  

Did he envision Irikah as the Goddess Arashu?  Possibly.  That was the first time Thane had ever been challenged before - directly, the only other time was when Shep came busting through the Dantius Towers.  The point is that the impression Irikah must've made on a man who'd been killing for about seven solid  years by then must've been very profound.  Did he call her siha?  Maybe.  But in the end, does it really matter?

A huge chunk, if not all of Thane's romance is about letting go of the past and living in the now.  Thane loves Shepard now. It doesn't mean he loves her any less because he had Irikah in his life.  And it doesn't lessen the memory of Irikah any less that he loves Shepard now.