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[disconnect7]

JECWSU wrote...


I hope they are listening.

I really like your ideas on how to cure Thane. He is just to wonderful of a character not to be in ME3. There is so much more they could do with him. I just don't think it would be fair that the other LI's get some kind of happy ending, and we get death and a funeral. I'd like to think that even though they gave him this disease that they never had any real intention on letting him die. 

Sometimes I ponder the idea that maybe they never had any real intnetion of letting him die from Kepral's, maybe they've had a plan set out for him all along to let him live somehow. It would be unfair if they just killed him off, without any player intervention, while all other LI's can continue to be by Shep's side.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Hedgepath, that is a very well thought-out post. Thank you very much for writing it up.



It's funny, because according to one article, Thane alone cost BioWare a month-and-a-half's worth of work. How can you remove THAT?



I like to think of his illness as a cheap idea to increase drama, but nothing more, nothing less. That being said, it's my bedtime. Try not to talk about anything too interesting while I'm away.

[disconnect7]

*writes down*

[General Ashous]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Hedgepath, that is a very well thought-out post. Thank you very much for writing it up.

It's funny, because according to one article, Thane alone cost BioWare a month-and-a-half's worth of work. How can you remove THAT?

I like to think of his illness as a cheap idea to increase drama, but nothing more, nothing less. That being said, it's my bedtime. Try not to talk about anything too interesting while I'm away.

And that is very much what I think. Goodnight Fiery, have a good sleep and be well.

[disconnect7]

"Sleep well and dream of bulbous women"

[Saibh]

General Ashous wrote...

Indeed, however, I don't think in curing him we should see him out of the fight. Instead, perhaps cure him in DLC so we can heal him and see him back in action in ME3. I always laugh evily but I never feel bad. I'd rather see a live Thane than a live Feron, personally, not that I'd want to see Feron dead but if I had to choose I'd pick Thane.

I know this is going to be contrary to my Thane fangirlism, but it should be a decision that costs you. You signed him up knowing he was going to die, and are in a relationship knowing he's gonna die, and for Renegade or Paragon Shepards, the decision will be very easy, depending on if there is a moral path to it. By taking him out of the battle, you're actually giving up, losing something in return. It makes the choice more meaningful for people who feel that presenting a cure in the third game is a cop-out.

[Hedgepath]

Since it's Sunday evening my time zone, I need to get ready for dinner and evening religious services. I'm in a positive mood because I am hopeful that what Phoenix shared regarding thoughts about "cheap idea to increase drama only" is TRUE (Thane's illness and death were scripted for ME2 and so there are already plans for a cure and Thane to be in ME3). I'll add a prayer for that to be "gospel truth" in keeping with religious traditions, so Thane may be back to love, pray, fight and live alongside Shep in ME3.Later all........Hp

[upsettingshorts]

I haven't really been keeping up with the thread, but I think that "curing" Thane would basically ruin his character.

He ought to end in the same way - thematically not specifically - Jack does in Titanic. When this happens is of course open for debate, it could even be at the end of Mass Effect 3. But a rapidly-approaching expiration date was always part of his character, was it not?

It would almost be like asking Subject Zero to get rid of her tats and grow out her hair and start dressing like FemShep during Stolen Memory.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2010 - 09:19 .

[Saibh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I haven't really been keeping up with the thread, but I think that "curing" Thane would basically ruin his character.

He ought to end in the same way - thematically not specifically - Jack does in Titanic. When this happens is of course open for debate, it could even be at the end of Mass Effect 3. But a rapidly-approaching expiration date was always part of his character, was it not?

It would almost be like asking Subject Zero to get rid of her tats and grow out her hair and start dressing like FemShep during Stolen Memory.

Okay, okay, look away and ignore the ticking sound, alright? It's a special surprise!

I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I should probably say that I don't want to cure Thane, and I don't think lung transplant surgery will cure him, as it's listed under "treatments", not "possible cures", but I do think it will prolong his life long enough for the hanar to have a cure.

I don't think that Jack's character is limited to her hair and tattoos--I think that it's a way of identifying her, but certainly not who she is as a character. I think that Thane would be a pretty shallow character if his personality revolved around dying. Yes, it's a big part of his life now, and affects him greatly, but I don't think curing him would change him fundamentally. 'Cept make him less sobby all the time.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 octobre 2010 - 09:43 .

[upsettingshorts]

It's more that in Subject Zero's case (using that instead of her name due to my bringing up Jack in Titanic) that the tats and baldness are a reflection of her personality, and that changing them would bring the integrity of her character into question for aesthetic reasons.



Such is my view of Thane. His mortality informs on his personality, and the romance with FemShep contributes to that changing - but it still informs on it. It certainly isn't all there is to him, and I'm not claiming that, but it is a big part of what makes his LI stand out among others. So in that sense the notion of changing that about him in order to either alter his personality - either making him less aware of how tragic the whole situation is or simply to hang on to him longer - seems to at least be a similar compromise of character, if not on precisely the same level.

[Saibh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It's more that in Subject Zero's case (using that instead of her name due to my bringing up Jack in Titanic) that the tats and baldness are a reflection of her personality, and that changing them would bring the integrity of her character into question for aesthetic reasons.

Such is my view of Thane. His mortality informs on his personality, and the romance with FemShep contributes to that changing - but it still informs on it. It certainly isn't all there is to him, and I'm not claiming that, but it is a big part of what makes his LI stand out among others. So in that sense the notion of changing that about him in order to either alter his personality - either making him less aware of how tragic the whole situation is or simply to hang on to him longer - seems to at least be a similar compromise of character, if not on precisely the same level.

I don't actually disagree with you--but I suppose I feel his mortality is less fundamental to his character than you do, perhaps? To me, his romance more or less focuses on that fact that he felt dead, and Shepard woke him up. The great tragedy, of course, is that he's going to die in a few months time. And I do understand why some people woudn't want him cured, because it adds such a unique and characteristic element to his romance.

At the same time, I think it ought to come at a price, and a pretty heavy one. I feel, personally, that taking him out of the battle is a fair enough compromise--the most difficult decisions in games, to me, are ones that affect your ability as a player. Moral ones can be hard, but the beauty of roleplaying makes it easier. If who is on your team is relevant to the mission, you may even cripple yourself in some way without knowing it.

I think that curing him is also a fantastic way to see a relevant change in his personality, the way the other romances can't exactly have. Many of the romancable characters change slowly over the course of the game, but it would be refreshing to see how Thane deals with being both cured and unable to protect the woman he loves. I think, more than anything, there is storytelling value there.

[cindalkitty]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I haven't really been keeping up with the thread, but I think that "curing" Thane would basically ruin his character.

He ought to end in the same way - thematically not specifically - Jack does in Titanic. When this happens is of course open for debate, it could even be at the end of Mass Effect 3. But a rapidly-approaching expiration date was always part of his character, was it not?

It would almost be like asking Subject Zero to get rid of her tats and grow out her hair and start dressing like FemShep during Stolen Memory.

The fact that he is currently dying is not what defines his character.  His profession, spirituality, moralities, and philosophies are what defines his character.  These attributes and accumulated character experiences, in turn, are what determine how his character reacts plot devices.

Kepral's is a plot device - to be experienced and then resovled in some way (resolution being cure or death).  Yes, it contributes to his character, but it's not his sole defining characteristic.  Even if it was, characters that cannot evolve are boring.  By the time they reach the Relay, his acceptance of death is shaken.  

Change does not necessarily ruin a character.  Bad writing ruins a character.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 11 octobre 2010 - 03:15 .

[Nonsense4]

Silly Question: Do you think Thane has much of a bank balance? He 'hunted and killed across the galaxy' for quite a while, and while his times out for revenge and altruistic assassinations (ala Nassana) might have dug a hole in his finances, you wouldn't think it would have obliterated it. Perhaps he could have donated it to charity? Put it in a trust for Kolyat till he's 35? Traded it for gold for his coffin?



The reason I ask this is that I had the thought that perhaps his cur/treatment might involve a large sum of money. I keep getting the idea in my head of Shepard frantically amassing her liquifyable assets just to see Thane shrug nonchalantly and tell her he's a millionaire. (Stupid, yes)

[Raokin]

Nonsense4 wrote...

Silly Question: Do you think Thane has much of a bank balance?

He's supposed to be the best and most notorious assassin in the galaxy. I'd imagine he would be paid very well, especially for comissions to take out corporate executives like Nassana Dantius.

Nonsense 4 wrote...

The reason I ask this is that I had the thought that perhaps his cur/treatment might involve a large sum of money. I keep getting the idea in my head of Shepard frantically amassing her liquifyable assets just to see Thane shrug nonchalantly and tell her he's a millionaire. (Stupid, yes)

I believe he mentioned that the hanar were already researching a cure/treatment, but hadn't had any promising results yet. Throwing money into research probably wouldn't produce results in the time he has left.

Modifié par Raokin, 10 octobre 2010 - 10:57 .

[JECWSU]

cindalkitty wrote...


The fact that he is currently dying is not what defines his character.  His profession, spirituality, moralities, and philosophies are what defines his character.  These attributes and accumulated character experiences, in turn, are what determine how his character reacts plot devices.

Kepral's is a plot device - to be experienced and then resovled in some way (resolution being cure or death).  Yes, it contributes to his character, but it's not his sole defining characteristic.  Even if it was, characters that cannot evolve are boring.  By the time they reach the Relay, his acceptance of death is shaken.  

Change does not necessarily ruin a character.  Bad writing ruins a character.

I could not have said this better myself.

[JECWSU]

Nonsense4 wrote...

Silly Question: Do you think Thane has much of a bank balance? He 'hunted and killed across the galaxy' for quite a while, and while his times out for revenge and altruistic assassinations (ala Nassana) might have dug a hole in his finances, you wouldn't think it would have obliterated it. Perhaps he could have donated it to charity? Put it in a trust for Kolyat till he's 35? Traded it for gold for his coffin?

The reason I ask this is that I had the thought that perhaps his cur/treatment might involve a large sum of money. I keep getting the idea in my head of Shepard frantically amassing her liquifyable assets just to see Thane shrug nonchalantly and tell her he's a millionaire. (Stupid, yes)

I don't think I ever really thought about how much money Thane has. I don't think he has ever had trouble finding work except when he was on Omega. He is suppose to be the best assasin in the galaxy so  I am sure he has accumulated enough money over the years.

[hanar05]

Nonsense4 wrote...

Silly Question: Do you think Thane has much of a bank balance? He 'hunted and killed across the galaxy' for quite a while, and while his times out for revenge and altruistic assassinations (ala Nassana) might have dug a hole in his finances, you wouldn't think it would have obliterated it. Perhaps he could have donated it to charity? Put it in a trust for Kolyat till he's 35? Traded it for gold for his coffin?

The reason I ask this is that I had the thought that perhaps his cur/treatment might involve a large sum of money. I keep getting the idea in my head of Shepard frantically amassing her liquifyable assets just to see Thane shrug nonchalantly and tell her he's a millionaire. (Stupid, yes)

IDK
Maybe he wasn't hired to kill any of those he assassinated after Irikah's death.
Rather he recieved information on the targets and wasn't paid...

Maybe...
Who knows.

I don't think he was being paid to kill Nassana.

Modifié par hanar05, 11 octobre 2010 - 05:28 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yes! Cindal pretty much nailed it. I see where Upsettingshorts is coming from, though.

[abnocte]

cindalkitty wrote...

Change does not necessarily ruin a character.  Bad writing ruins a character.

QFT.

Saibh wrote...
I think that curing him is also a fantastic way to see a relevant change in his personality, the way the other romances can't exactly have. Many of the romancable characters change slowly over the course of the game, but it would be refreshing to see how Thane deals with being both cured and unable to protect the woman he loves. I think, more than anything, there is storytelling value there.

That would be interesting, but I have my doubts about how much room for storytelling M3 is going to have...

Modifié par abnocte, 11 octobre 2010 - 09:15 .

[kaimanaMM]

cindalkitty wrote...

The fact that he is currently dying is not what defines his character.  His profession, spirituality, moralities, and philosophies are what defines his character.  These attributes and accumulated character experiences, in turn, are what determine how his character reacts plot devices.

Kepral's is a plot device - to be experienced and then resovled in some way (resolution being cure or death).  Yes, it contributes to his character, but it's not his sole defining characteristic.  Even if it was, characters that cannot evolve are boring.  By the time they reach the Relay, his acceptance of death is shaken.  

Change does not necessarily ruin a character.  Bad writing ruins a character.

Be my Siha.

And we'll travel the galaxy, together.  Snapping necks and punching tables.

[JECWSU]

abnocte wrote...

cindalkitty wrote...

Change does not necessarily ruin a character.  Bad writing ruins a character.

QFT.

Saibh wrote...
I think that curing him is also a fantastic way to see a relevant change in his personality, the way the other romances can't exactly have. Many of the romancable characters change slowly over the course of the game, but it would be refreshing to see how Thane deals with being both cured and unable to protect the woman he loves. I think, more than anything, there is storytelling value there.

That would be interesting, but I have my doubts about how much room for storytelling M3 is going to have...

I just hope Thane is in ME3, and has a decent well written role.

[General Ashous]

Indeed, he needs to retain his spiritual side and his calmness so that we see the same character as we did in ME2 and a character who's dedicated to the cause. We should also see how things turn out with Kolyat.

[cindalkitty]

kaimanaMM wrote...

cindalkitty wrote...
-words-

Be my Siha.

And we'll travel the galaxy, together.  Snapping necks and punching tables.

I look forward to the mammari-- memories.

Just let me grab my shades and lizard coat.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 11 octobre 2010 - 06:08 .

[abnocte]

I'm almost positive about Thane being in ME3, what really worries me is how they will resolve the whole situation.

For me ME2 raised some questions that I fear a 20-30h game can't solve in a proper manner... and I will be pissed of if they try to resolve stuff I consider central to the main plot as DLC. <_<


Changing topic.

I thought most of you would be interested in seeing and updated version of my sunbathing Thane, so...