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Lisinity wrote...

Well, lately I've been thinking alot about how Kolyat's role might play out, if he is to be in Mass Effect 3. A part of me has this weird train of thought that he's probably gonna join C-Sec and 'turn his life around', which is all good.

It made me think though; if Kolyat were to somehow get killed in ME3, how would Thane react? Kolyat's his only son, and as important as Shepard is to him, do you really think she'd be enough to possibly comfort Thane, or even keep him focused on the mission after his son dies? Just listening to him if you fail his loyalty mission, it seems quite clear to me that Kolyat was one of his last driving forces in his life. I couldn't imagine what would happen if he died.

Thane would be devastated if Kolyat were to get killed, he'd probably take the blame for it and have that hanging over his conscience along with Irikah. He also believes Kolyat is the only good he's ever brought into the world. Shepard has never really been the best with consoling words, but I'm sure she would be there to comfort Thane the best she could. Shepard that romanced Thane would  be a big comfort for him in any tradegy he faces, without her he'd surely sink into the deepest depression. After failing his loyalty mission, Thane seems almost suicidal in the fact that the only closure he wanted has just passed forever.

[JECWSU]

Lisinity wrote...

Well, lately I've been thinking alot about how Kolyat's role might play out, if he is to be in Mass Effect 3. A part of me has this weird train of thought that he's probably gonna join C-Sec and 'turn his life around', which is all good.

It made me think though; if Kolyat were to somehow get killed in ME3, how would Thane react? Kolyat's his only son, and as important as Shepard is to him, do you really think she'd be enough to possibly comfort Thane, or even keep him focused on the mission after his son dies? Just listening to him if you fail his loyalty mission, it seems quite clear to me that Kolyat was one of his last driving forces in his life. I couldn't imagine what would happen if he died.

Thane would be absolutely heartbroken if Kolyat died. We know what loosing his wife did to him. If Thane lost his son he might never recover from this. He would definitely need Shepard, and she would be there for him to comfort him. I don't know if it would be enough. Shepard might be the one last thing that would keep him hanging on.

Listening to him if you fail his loyalty mission is just so sad.

Modifié par JECWSU, 14 octobre 2010 - 08:48 .

[JECWSU]

Hainkpe wrote...

To hear Thane's voice when he talks about the loss of Kolyat after failing the mission is so heartbreaking. I watched it on YouTube be use I couldn't bring myself to fail in the game.

I couldn't  fail his loyalty mission either. I ended up watching it on YouTube also, and it was just so incredibly sad to see.

[Saibh]

Lisinity wrote...

Well, lately I've been thinking alot about how Kolyat's role might play out, if he is to be in Mass Effect 3. A part of me has this weird train of thought that he's probably gonna join C-Sec and 'turn his life around', which is all good.

I'm actually quite sure that he joins C-Sec, and Bailey takes him under his wing. It seems appropriate, at least.

It made me think though; if Kolyat were to somehow get killed in ME3, how would Thane react? Kolyat's his only son, and as important as Shepard is to him, do you really think she'd be enough to possibly comfort Thane, or even keep him focused on the mission after his son dies? Just listening to him if you fail his loyalty mission, it seems quite clear to me that Kolyat was one of his last driving forces in his life. I couldn't imagine what would happen if he died.

Oh, he'd be totally devastated. There might be a "bad" ending where some of the people you knew get killed by the Reapers, like the Citadel being blown up or something, and that's the only way I can see Kolyat dying. I imagine we'll hear from him in the third game, somehow, but I don't see his life being at risk.

Modifié par Saibh, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:45 .

[General Ashous]

I find that highly likely, that there will be people Shep knows that will be killed by the Reapers. I'm also thinking some may be kidnapped by the Reapers to be used as leverage. Perhaps Kolyat will be kidnapped and used to try and dissuade Thane from fighting. However, he'd have a better chance of Kolyat surviving if he fought the Reapers. Mel, welcome to the thread. I'm glad to see you've walked out of the shadows of lurking and into the light of Thane. Welcome indeed and I look forward to some fun chats with you.

[kaimanaMM]

Saibh wrote...

I'm actually quite sure that he joins C-Sec, and Bailey takes him under his wing. It seems appropriate, at least.

I agree.  True, we don't spend that much time with Bailey and Kolyat, but Bailey, I'd bet, will have a soft spot for Kolyat. During Thane's loyalty mission, Bailey even says to Shep something about Thane not being the only father who hasn't done right by his son (paraphrased, I don't remember the exact words atm).  

I'd love to see Kolyat, decked out in his C-Sec duds, looking all surly, but also being appreciative of Bailey and a little less frosty to Thane.  Ahh Kolyat, you scamp.

Welcome Mel and Lis!  Happy to have you in the conversations!  

[General Ashous]

Ah, and welcome to Lis! My apologies for missing you out. So do we think Kolyat is actually working for C-sec? I'm not too sure. I'm sure he's doing community service but I don't thiink he'll take up a job in C-sec. I just have this feeling that he prefers something that involves more brains and less shooting. After all, he isn't a great shot. He completly missed Taleed and only got the krogan in somewhere where it didn't kill him. I think it may have been his chest but I'm not sure.

[Saibh]

General Ashous wrote...

Ah, and welcome to Lis! My apologies for missing you out. So do we think Kolyat is actually working for C-sec? I'm not too sure. I'm sure he's doing community service but I don't thiink he'll take up a job in C-sec. I just have this feeling that he prefers something that involves more brains and less shooting. After all, he isn't a great shot. He completly missed Taleed and only got the krogan in somewhere where it didn't kill him. I think it may have been his chest but I'm not sure.

He does manage to kill at least Talid if you fail Thane's loyalty mission. The reason he misses is because of you and Thane. I believe Kolyat can have three "good" outcomes, and that's community service, working for Bailey, or going into trial.

Kolyat never struck me as being particularly cerebral, or particularly thuggish. It simply adds together nicely for Kolyat to join C-Sec.

[Juliaxo]

Whenever I do Thane's loyalty mission I always pick the option to persuade Bailey into giving Kolyat community service. Now I'm curious, what happens if you choose the other options? Anyone try it?



I really like the idea of Kolyat working at C-Sec and Bailey taking him under his wing. I wonder how Thane would feel about his son being a C-Sec officer?

[JECWSU]

I always choose community service also. I think him working for C-Sec is a great idea. He's a lost and very angry kid. I think working at C-Sec could be good for him.

[General Ashous]

I always choose community service too. I think he has the potential to be a great C-sec officer but I can't see Thane particularly approving as now he'll probably take on the role of the protective parent. I think he'd want Kolyat to stay safe as he almost lost him once, I don't think he could bear losing him again.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The other options, as far as I know, all result in Kolyat going to jail. You can persuade Bailey and make him reduce the length of the time period during which Koylat is held prisoner, but that's about it. I always choose community service as well; can't bring myself to allow C-Sec to imprison Kolyat.

[General Ashous]

Indeed. I wouldn't want to see Kolyat go to prison. Can you imagine what they'd do to him in the showers! It makes me cringe to think about it.

Modifié par General Ashous, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:41 .

[Raokin]

General Ashous wrote...

Indeed. I wouldn't want to see Kolyat go to prison. Can you imagine what they'd do to him in the showers! It makes me cringe to think about it.

Drell are supposed to be stronger than humans. I don't think he'd have a problem with that unless he came across some really sexually deviant turians or krogans.

[JECWSU]

General Ashous wrote...

I always choose community service too. I think he has the potential to be a great C-sec officer but I can't see Thane particularly approving as now he'll probably take on the role of the protective parent. I think he'd want Kolyat to stay safe as he almost lost him once, I don't think he could bear losing him again.

I don't think Thane would be upset if Kolyat joined C-Sec. I think he would be very proud of him. Kolyat might actually like working for C-sec if he joined, and he might be good at it. Thane didn't want his son to end up like he did, so I think this is could be a good choice for him.

Modifié par JECWSU, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Saibh]

I'll have to check what the Renegade option in Thane's loyalty mission leads to. The wikia has it that there are three "good" outcomes (as opposed to the "bad" failed Thane's mission outcome).



I don't think Thane would be upset. His desire to help Kolyat didn't seem to be about the urge to keep him out of danger, but to save him from doing something evil and going down a wrong path. C-Sec seems like a honorable thing to do that will encourage him to be a good person.

[abnocte]

I leave for a few hours and look what happens.

This thread is kind of slow, but from time to time it grows so fast its scary!  To think I missed the whole SAND-bathing Thane conversation! 

Well, that gave me ideas....

*starts giggling until it becomes an out loud evil laugh* 
*cough*

I doubt Kolyat will die, but I agree that would devastate Thane even though my Shepard will be there for whatever he needs.

I'm not sure what option is, but I always tell Bailey to make the kid work for him, ala Mouse with Thane in the old days... quite ironic.....

Modifié par abnocte, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:43 .

[General Ashous]

I love irony. It always makes me laugh. Even if it's saddening, I always laugh at the thought of irony. I'm actually laughing at it now. I think Kolyat would make a good Mouse, but I'm unsure if he could stomach the torture Bailey puts his suspects through. I always wondered what went on behind that locked door. Now we know. It's a shame you can't go through it though.

[Saibh]

General Ashous wrote...

I love irony. It always makes me laugh. Even if it's saddening, I always laugh at the thought of irony. I'm actually laughing at it now. I think Kolyat would make a good Mouse, but I'm unsure if he could stomach the torture Bailey puts his suspects through. I always wondered what went on behind that locked door. Now we know. It's a shame you can't go through it though.

Well...he was willing to murder at least two people and continue a life of crime. I'm also not sure how much "torture" Bailey does--is it complicated water-boarding like torture, or, as he says, "roughing up suspects"? Not that either is condonable, but one is certainly more tolerable.

[Juliaxo]

Ok. I just got home and replayed the loyalty mission with my renegade Shep. The renegade option is to convince Bailey to let Kolyat work for him (community service is the paragon option). If Shep doesn't choose a renegade or paragon option then Kolyat faces a few years of incarceration and Bailey will "stand up for him" to try and get him a shorter sentence. D:

[Lisinity]

I could see Kolyat fitting right in at C-Sec, and I agree. Bailey would probably have a huge soft spot for him. Not sure if Thane would approve or disapprove. I guess it depends on what his view of C-Sec is. I think he'd be more concerned of it being a corrupt service, rather than it being dangerous.



For some reason, I keep getting this idea of LI's being kidnapped in ME3, and someone close to the LI assists you in rescuing them. Obviously, for Thane, it'd be Kolyat. I have others picked out for the other LIs as well, but I think fighting alongside Kolyat would be a great mission, instead of elbowing him in the face.

[Saibh]

Lisinity wrote...

I could see Kolyat fitting right in at C-Sec, and I agree. Bailey would probably have a huge soft spot for him. Not sure if Thane would approve or disapprove. I guess it depends on what his view of C-Sec is. I think he'd be more concerned of it being a corrupt service, rather than it being dangerous.

For some reason, I keep getting this idea of LI's being kidnapped in ME3, and someone close to the LI assists you in rescuing them. Obviously, for Thane, it'd be Kolyat. I have others picked out for the other LIs as well, but I think fighting alongside Kolyat would be a great mission, instead of elbowing him in the face.

I would hate a rescue mission. I sort of liked the subversion that DAO had--the toughest boss fight in the game and you go free, or surrendering and escaping or letting your friends bust you out (for extra hilarity!). They should be able to take of themselves, and not be a burden on me. The cool thing about dating your companions is that they can fight for themselves--someone like Kelly you need to rescue. Someone like Jack or Thane? I shouldn't be worried that they can't take care of themselves. Besides that, not too many people close to your LIs are on the same skill level.

I'm always a bit bufuzzled by the people who think Kolyat can replace his dad. He's skilled enough to do a quick, messy job as a hitman, but equaled to one of the galaxy's greatest assassins? That makes no sense.

I would like, though, more LI-specific content.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Saibh wrote...

I would hate a rescue mission. I sort of liked the subversion that DAO had--the toughest boss fight in the game and you go free, or surrendering and escaping or letting your friends bust you out (for extra hilarity!). They should be able to take of themselves, and not be a burden on me. The cool thing about dating your companions is that they can fight for themselves--someone like Kelly you need to rescue. Someone like Jack or Thane? I shouldn't be worried that they can't take care of themselves. Besides that, not too many people close to your LIs are on the same skill level.

Hopping in from the Garrus thread, since we've been discussing abductions too...

If we're talking Reapers, I don't think the Reapers think in terms of abduction and hostages.  They destroy or indoctrinate things.  Period.  Otherwise, I kind of agree with Saibh.  Yes, it might be cute and all, but my allies in ME2 are a bunch of freaking badasses.  They might need me to handle their family issues, but they sure as hell shouldn't need my help fighting anything short of an army of Thresher Maws with assault rifles taped to their gonads.  (For emphasis.)  As for rescuing Shepard--laughable.  It's Shepard.  Shepard deletes problems like this on the way to real errors.

Also, the whole rescuing your LI thing...eh.  I've never seen it carried out in a way that didn't feel as though one or both parties had the idiot ball glued to their face.  

[Lisinity]

 Oh, no, I agree. Haha. I've always been in the belief that all my squad members could take care of themselves, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware somehow managed to work that in. "Uh...kidnapped in their sleep. Now go save him/her!"  <_<

And as we saw Kolyat, he could definitely NOT be a replacement for Thane. I don't think he could be a replacement for anyone on the squad. However, if he was to join C-Sec, and if ME3 is to take place a couple months or so after, I could see Kolyat at least being of assistance on a Citadel level.