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Sorry, double post. This internet is a pain.

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Now, anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but let me have an attempt to explain it. Kepral's syndrome, I would say, is that it is a unique type of bacteria. Now, most bacteria are contagious. However, Kepral's is not. Therefore, I have two theories. First, it is a viral-bacterial hybrid. Therefore, it would infect all the cells in the lung but is still a bacteria and yet is not infectious, so it doesn't spread. Second, is that, like Hedgepath said, it could be already present and is triggered by the moisture. However, I'm terrible at biology so don't have a clue but from what I do know I have come to these theories.


Bacterial infections are contagious and can spread easily. Most are opportunistic pathogens that is spread through a biological vector/fluid. This is why handwashing is a good preventative measure for the common cold or flu.

The conundrum is that Thane has lesions in his lungs with metastatic progress to other areas in the body. Lesions are usually caused by injury/trauma to the tissue. Lesions can also be tumors. Dr. Chakwas report indicated nodular lesions, which can be tumors.

Now there is a theory that bacteria can cause tumors if:
It has acquired extra virulence factors making it pathogenic.
It gains access to deep tissues due to trauma, surgery, an IV line, etc.
It infects a patient with a compromised immune system.

So, if the bacteria causing the infections in Thane meet the above criteria then how is it not communicable such as tuberculosis?

It would stand to reason that the bacteria are somehow beneficial to his body but are being opportunitic in the face of another pathogen. In other words, the infection is a side effect to the underlying cause. Thane's immune system appears to be compromised and if that is the case, why are they treating with antibiotics and not immunotherapy? 

It could be possible that there is a virus as an underlying cause, HIV/AIDS is a perfect example, the immune system is weakened allowing for opportunisitc infections by the bacteria causing Keprals Syndrome but with all the advance technology, how could the Hanar or another race not find this?

It seems there is information we have yet to learn about Keprals Syndrome. Pieces to the puzzle are missing. Keprals appears to be more in line with a cancer problem than bacteria but who knows. That's the frustrating part.

Modifié par Hainkpe, 16 octobre 2010 - 09:22 .


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............Confused. But as I said, no good at biology. Actually, I'm lying, I get most of it. The part that makes perfect sense is the final paragraph, that comes through loud and clear. So what we're saying is it's benficial but it takes advantage of the moisture to take over? Makes sense. We need to learn more in ME3 as to why it can't be cured. Then we can create an accurate theory. However, that one is highly possible. I think you're on the way for the nobel prize, Hainkpe. Just waiting on Saibh to classify the disease.

Modifié par General Ashous, 16 octobre 2010 - 09:29 .


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General Ashous wrote...

............Confused. But as I said, no good at biology. Actually, I'm lying, I get most of it. The part that makes perfect sense is the final paragraph, that comes through loud and clear. So what we're saying is it's benficial but it takes advantage of the moisture to take over? Makes sense. We need to learn more in ME3 as to why it can't be cured. Then we can create an accurate theory. However, that one is highly possible. I think you're on the way for the nobel prize, Hainkpe. Just waiting on Saibh to classify the disease.


It's an alien disease. Non-classifiable by human standards. It's like a bacteria cancer lovechild. Caneria.

There.

Gimme my goddamn trophy.

Modifié par Saibh, 16 octobre 2010 - 10:36 .


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Don't want to repeat all the stuff I said previously on page 132 of this post where I addressed most of what you all are addressing here. Am still visiting the Research labs of Infectious disease and nanotech, but nothing new since last week when I wrote all the detailed info from a Pulmonary medicine aspect. Also to clarify- colds and flu are viruses, not bacteria, and handwashing only decreases slightly, the contagion vector for spread of viral disease (really, not just me, read the bottles, most clearly state "To decrease bacteria on the skin that could cause disease".) Rhinoviruses (most cold causing viruses) and influenza viruses (common flu virus) are typically spread by cough, sneezing and other fluid transfers (kissing, sharing drinks, microdroplets from people talking, etc). Handwashing agents (like the antibacterial hand sanitizers) mostly kill bacteria, not viruses. Viruses can lay dormant for years and are resistant to antibiotics. Antibiotics are used for bacterial infections only. Anyway, see my previous detailed post on Page 132, I'm repeating myself on this stuff.



TB is highly communicable, in certain patient populations, but not every person exposed to TB gets it. (remember the guy on the airplane who flew from Europe to the US with TB for his wedding? - few people on that plane got TB, I have other examples as again, it is what I do for a living)



Immunotherapy (IT) discussion is too long for this post, and everyone experiences immunocompromise in their lifetime, it is not treated unless it is chronic, unremitting or for 2 other really long diagnostic or preventive therapies. I'll just say, in Thane's case, he is probably immunocompromised from years of failed antibx therapy, the bacteria's resistance "wearing" down his immune system (can't quickly replace all those good cells that are attacking the Kepral bacteria) and the release of all the chemical mediators from the "battle" going on in his lungs as his body continues to try and kill the bacteria (or encapsulate it).



Hainkpe is right about the advanced tech - I addressed my theories on that back on page 132 also. Interesting to read others thoughts though...........



Saibh - sorry for mistake in that you did know what *facepalm* is, I thought that was what you were asking clarification for.

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General Ashous wrote...
............Confused. But as I said, no good at biology. Actually, I'm lying, I get most of it. .

LOL. I totally believe you. TOTALLY. Image IPB

General Ashous wrote...
So what we're saying is it's benficial but it takes advantage of the moisture to take over? Makes sense. We need to learn more in ME3 as to why it can't be cured. Then we can create an accurate theory. However, that one is highly possible.


Why must we always have to wait? I know, good things happen for those who wait, but I want to know NOW! Argh... Okay. Fine. I will wait, but it better be good. As in, "OMG, I did not expect that!" good and not the "oh, well then.", kind of good. Image IPB


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I think you're on the way for the nobel prize, Hainkpe.

But of course, I am Hainkpe. Image IPB 
Writing that sounded so arrogant! Such fun. Ah! Image IPB

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Saibh wrote...

General Ashous wrote...

............Confused. But as I said, no good at biology. Actually, I'm lying, I get most of it. The part that makes perfect sense is the final paragraph, that comes through loud and clear. So what we're saying is it's benficial but it takes advantage of the moisture to take over? Makes sense. We need to learn more in ME3 as to why it can't be cured. Then we can create an accurate theory. However, that one is highly possible. I think you're on the way for the nobel prize, Hainkpe. Just waiting on Saibh to classify the disease.


It's an alien disease. Non-classifiable by human standards. It's like a bacteria cancer lovechild. Caneria.

There.

Gimme my goddamn trophy.


I'm afraid I can't. It could actually be classed as restrictive lung disease, where the lung stiffens and doesn't expand. Still, I'll give the cookie because I'm a nice guy. (Hands cookie to Saibh)
@Hainkpe, well, I guess that awards you the nobel prize. Enjoy! As for waiting, don't worry. I'm sure it'll be an eye opener. That, or Bioware won't tell us because even they can't work it out.Image IPB

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Double post, sorry. This internet is starting to bug me now.Image IPB

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General Ashous wrote...

@Hainkpe, well, I guess that awards you the nobel prize. Enjoy! As for waiting, don't worry. I'm sure it'll be an eye opener. That, or Bioware won't tell us because even they can't work it out.Image IPB


Ah, Thanks GA. Image IPB

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General Ashous wrote...

Saibh wrote...

General Ashous wrote...

............Confused. But as I said, no good at biology. Actually, I'm lying, I get most of it. The part that makes perfect sense is the final paragraph, that comes through loud and clear. So what we're saying is it's benficial but it takes advantage of the moisture to take over? Makes sense. We need to learn more in ME3 as to why it can't be cured. Then we can create an accurate theory. However, that one is highly possible. I think you're on the way for the nobel prize, Hainkpe. Just waiting on Saibh to classify the disease.


It's an alien disease. Non-classifiable by human standards. It's like a bacteria cancer lovechild. Caneria.

There.

Gimme my goddamn trophy.


I'm afraid I can't. It could actually be classed as restrictive lung disease, where the lung stiffens and doesn't expand. Still, I'll give the cookie because I'm a nice guy. (Hands cookie to Saibh)
@Hainkpe, well, I guess that awards you the nobel prize. Enjoy! As for waiting, don't worry. I'm sure it'll be an eye opener. That, or Bioware won't tell us because even they can't work it out.Image IPB


He's an alien.

With alien physiology.

I'm freaking right hand over the damn trophy.

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Saibh wrote...

General Ashous wrote...

Saibh wrote...

General Ashous wrote...

............Confused. But as I said, no good at biology. Actually, I'm lying, I get most of it. The part that makes perfect sense is the final paragraph, that comes through loud and clear. So what we're saying is it's benficial but it takes advantage of the moisture to take over? Makes sense. We need to learn more in ME3 as to why it can't be cured. Then we can create an accurate theory. However, that one is highly possible. I think you're on the way for the nobel prize, Hainkpe. Just waiting on Saibh to classify the disease.


It's an alien disease. Non-classifiable by human standards. It's like a bacteria cancer lovechild. Caneria.

There.

Gimme my goddamn trophy.


I'm afraid I can't. It could actually be classed as restrictive lung disease, where the lung stiffens and doesn't expand. Still, I'll give the cookie because I'm a nice guy. (Hands cookie to Saibh)
@Hainkpe, well, I guess that awards you the nobel prize. Enjoy! As for waiting, don't worry. I'm sure it'll be an eye opener. That, or Bioware won't tell us because even they can't work it out.Image IPB


He's an alien.

With alien physiology.

I'm freaking right hand over the damn trophy.


You aren't going to rest until you get that prize are you? Alright, I'll give you your nobel prize, but I'm taking one for the fact I'm sure it is somehow related to restrictive lung disease. Are we all happy now?Image IPB

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General Ashous wrote...

You aren't going to rest until you get that prize are you? Alright, I'll give you your nobel prize, but I'm taking one for the fact I'm sure it is somehow related to restrictive lung disease. Are we all happy now?Image IPB


Well...I guess. The cookie was good. So...I suppose a sympathy Nobel will do.

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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Some trivia:

- After speaking with Mouse during Thane's loyalty mission, Thane can tell Shepard of the importance of "carrying the weight of our decisions", going as far as telling her that she of all people should know that.

Do you think this could be a not-too-subtle reference to the fact that the ME trilogy is first and foremost about the player's (that is, Shepard's) decisions and the consequences they entail?

Personally, I do think it is.

Remarkably,  this post of mine from the previous page managed to slip through the cracks, so here it is again.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 17 octobre 2010 - 04:46 .


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GA did you just give out two nobles and fail to give one if the recipients a cookie? In other words, where's my cookie?



LOL

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Ah! Stressed. Thanks guys. Right, to appease all, Hainkpe, here is your cookie (Gives Hainkpe cookie). Enjoy! Now, is everyone happy? @Fiery, I think it is. I think that it's a reference to what is to come and all the big decisions that Shepard has made and will have to make. Is Thane turning prothetic on us? Hope so, it'd make him even more spiritual.

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LOL thanks GA

Now I can happy in the now.



So, question...

Do you think Kolyat will accept Thanes relationship with Shepard or not so much?

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Hainkpe wrote...

LOL thanks GA
Now I can happy in the now.

So, question...
Do you think Kolyat will accept Thanes relationship with Shepard or not so much?


(Basil Fawlty voice) Right, so we're all happy? Are we sure? Good, and if you cause me anymore trouble I'll visit you all in the small hours and drop bats in your rooms. I love Fawlty Towers. So funny. Will Kolyat accept Thane? I think yes. At the end of the day, he still loves his dad and so therefore should take him back and forgive him for what he's done.

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GA bats as in the small fur covered mammals or the wooden kind? LOL

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(Basil Fawlty) Small fur covered mammals, and I'll choose a few vampire ones just for the sake of it. That'd be a nice edition to the the ME universe, bat like humanoids. That'd be quite fun. Thane VS a bat like creature. Who'd win? They both use the shadows and are both deadly. I think Thane, though it'd be a long and bloody battle.

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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Some trivia:

- After speaking with Mouse during Thane's loyalty mission, Thane can tell Shepard of the importance of "carrying the weight of our decisions", going as far as telling her that she of all people should know that.

Do you think this could be a not-too-subtle reference to the fact that the ME trilogy is first and foremost about the player's (that is, Shepard's) decisions and the consequences they entail?

Personally, I do think it is.

Remarkably,  this post of mine from the previous page managed to slip through the cracks, so here it is again.


I think so.

So far not all of the choices made in ME1 seem to have made much of a difference in ME2, but I think eventually they will. At least I hope they will.

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Bioware claims all choices in ME1 and 2 will have huge impacts in 3. Just hope they hold up their end of the bargain.

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Hainkpe wrote...

LOL thanks GA
Now I can happy in the now.

So, question...
Do you think Kolyat will accept Thanes relationship with Shepard or not so much?


I have actually thought about this question myself. I think that he will eventually accept the relationship. Maybe not right away. He may think that Thane is trying to replace his mother with Shepard. He may see Thane do things for Shepard that he didn't do for Irikah like be there for her, and protect her. Kolyat and Thane still have a lot of their own issues to work out. He is still very angry at his father, but he does still love him.

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They don't have to worry about continuity, so that's comforting. They said 700 choices were imported, but, well, we saw how that was in ME2. They say 1000 will be imported in ME3. That tells us nothing of the quality of the imports, however. If you have three different outcomes from ME1, you can get three different e-mails in ME2 and that counts as an "import".



I really hope consistency isn't sacrificed in ME3. I know I'm speaking from an old fan's perspective, but if you're coming into the third and last game of a set trilogy, I really would rather the game not cater to new fans by making the effects impact as little as possible.

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In honor of Fiery Phoenix and his excellent support of Thane Krios at his post "Why I Think Thane's Romance is the Deepest in the Series":


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(Basil Fawlty (once again)) Right, I;m hitting the sack so no one burn the place down whilst I'm gone, alright. In the words of Stephen Fry, Tatty bye.