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[cindalkitty]

Saibh wrote...

cindalkitty wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Actually, something that always bugs me is that drell have a lifespan to about eighty years. Humans can live "if they're lucky" to 150...I guess the question is whether Shepard's genetic modifications greatly increases her life, or is slowly wearing away at her body. I imagine the answer is "greatly increases", because most romanceable characters have your lifespan--or longer, in Miranda's and Liara's case.

So, it sort of sucks that, even if Thane is cured, he has about another forty years to live. And then Shepard has at least another seventy years.

The lifespan thing occurred to me at some point as well, but then it was brought to my attention (I think by IccaRa) that there is a difference between something like galactic standard years and earth years.  And this difference helped equal the ages out a little.  I will need to find this conversation again to be more specific, though, or trudge through the wiki.  That could take a while.  We'll see!

The information about drell lifespans in is in the Codex--which would be in Earth years. And it's Shepard who gives out the average lifespan of humans.

I'm pretty sure it's all in Earth years.

EDIT: I thought that perhaps the reason drell lifespans are so short is because there are so few of them, and they live beneath the hanar's rule. The hanar's interests are their interests, and they don't have all the time and resources to expand their lifespan, as several billion humans do.

I know where it says drell average age is 80   I meant checking the wiki to look up Galactic Standard Years.

IccaRa said...
GSY are longer than ESY, if I recall right. I know that galactic standard days are around 16% longer than earth standard days.

I was just wondering about drell life spans because their age is given in GSY, whereas the human age is left ambiguous -- I presume it's given in ESY, so that we'd better relate?

So the theory is that drell age information in the codex is galactic standard to relate to all races who might access the codex, and human age is given in earth standard - especially if it's coming from a human - for the purpose of making it relatable to humans.

Sort of like an American using US Customary system versus the more global Metric system.

It is something to consider, that is all.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 19 octobre 2010 - 06:40 .

[Saibh]

cindalkitty wrote...

So the theory is that drell age information in the codex is galactic standard to relate to all races who might access the codex, and human age is given in earth standard - especially if it's coming from a human - for the purpose of making it relatable to humans.

Sort of like an American using US Customary system versus the more global Metric system.

It is something to consider, that is all.

Yeah--it's possible. Don't you hate how unreliable the Codex is? "Hey everybody, go ahead and breathe on this planet we promise it's not toxic!" I'll do the math later to figure the real difference between drell and human lifespans, then.

EDIT: Or, I'll do it right now. They'd live to be about ninety-eight, on average.

Also. It is indeed, Galatic Standard.

Modifié par Saibh, 19 octobre 2010 - 07:25 .

[cindalkitty]

That first link! Yes, it added greatly to my confusion when I first saw it. It says Mordin's 50, but the codex says that salarian don't usually live past the age of 40.



My beliefs have all been shattered in my search for the truth.



And then slowly put back together with duct tape. By a Krogan.

[Saibh]

cindalkitty wrote...

That first link! Yes, it added greatly to my confusion when I first saw it. It says Mordin's 50, but the codex says that salarian don't usually live past the age of 40.

My beliefs have all been shattered in my search for the truth.

And then slowly put back together with duct tape. By a Krogan.

I'm not sure what they mean--some people ardently argue it means Mordin is fifty in salarian years, some people insist that he's a really ancient salarian.

I love how they were totally willing to spoil Jack and Grunt, but Garrus? On no. There are several other sniper blue-armor-wearing turians out there Archangel could be. Of course, it also lies and says Grunt is twenty-two.

Modifié par Saibh, 19 octobre 2010 - 07:49 .

[General Ashous]

Bet that hurt. LOL. Yeah, Mordin's an exception to his species. He is a scientist after all so he ma have found a way to extend his life by a decade. Thane, he just has Kepral's so his life span is reduced, which is terrible, so he doesn't really have a say in how long he lives. Mordin must cure Thane, can't think of anyone else who could.

[General Ashous]

Hainkpe wrote...

If anyone can cure Thane, I believe its Mordin. I mean com'on altered the genophage, Keprals is probably easy as cake for him.

And he is "The very model of a scientist Salarian!"

[Saibh]

General Ashous wrote...

Bet that hurt. LOL. Yeah, Mordin's an exception to his species. He is a scientist after all so he ma have found a way to extend his life by a decade. Thane, he just has Kepral's so his life span is reduced, which is terrible, so he doesn't really have a say in how long he lives. Mordin must cure Thane, can't think of anyone else who could.

I've never thought it was a matter of really curing Thane--I think a new set of lungs could prolong his life for enough time for the hanar to come up with a cure. I don't think that any one person with the Normandy's limited resources should be able to cure it, I really don't. My assumption is we'll have the ability to give him a new set of lungs, not develop a cure for him outright.

Besides that, do you all really want to hinge Thane's survival on Mordin's?

Modifié par Saibh, 19 octobre 2010 - 08:03 .

[General Ashous]

Oh no! If Mordin dies, Thane isn't cured! Oh God no! Thankfully, I don't think Mordin's going anywhere anytime soon.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Hainkpe wrote...

If anyone can cure Thane, I believe its Mordin. I mean com'on altered the genophage, Keprals is probably easy as cake for him.

Oops, I just killed Mordin!

Seriously, though, this is anything but likely. Mordin can die, like any other squadmate. If Thane's cure is in the hands of Mordin, then Mordin probably shouldn't have been a killable character.

Not to crush any spirits here, but I just don't see this being the case.

[kaimanaMM]

Neck stripes make everything better.

Neck.  Stripes.


Thane Drell by Alarielle88

[Saibh]

Hainkpe wrote...

Ah but if you go with the canon Shepard story, Mordin lives! So, it is likely that he can be instrumental in the curing of Thane, either he himself or finding a way. And really when it comes down to a killable characters, even Shepard is killable so, anything is possible.

I love conjecture.

LOL You just want to poke holes in my hope!

I didn't think default Shepard had plot points hammered down yet...? And, Shepard really isn't killable in the sense that it's a canon decision--you cannot import a dead Shepard. Shepard and two squadmates must live.

I actually think that, out of everyone, Mordin is definitely going to be one of the people who die in a default playthrough--he was a pivotal plot character in ME2 whose main purpose was to develop protection against the Collector's, which he did, and has one of the highest rates (if not the highest) of death during the SM.

Still, in individual save files, he may or may not be alive, and Mordin's death seems to me like a weird thing to penalize the player for losing a team member for. I just really think that if the most brilliant hanar and drell can't come up with a cure, Mordin shouldn't just be able to pull it out of his ass with all of the other things he has to do on his plate.

[GuardianAngel470]

How do you guys think Thane will survive? Personally I hope he dies because it is a HUGE part of his character.



For him to live would invalidate why he was worth listening to in ME2.

[GuardianAngel470]

I would love to check up on Koliat for Thane after he passes though. Keep an eye on him and make sure he stays out of trouble.

[cindalkitty]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Neck stripes make everything better.

Neck.  Stripes.


Thane Drell by Alarielle88

Frill. Clips.

I say use vorcha tissue to help regenerate damaged organ mass.

Somehow.

Or, you know, there's always Feron... . . .

Or gene therapy.

Someone mentioned zombie/cyborg lungs, but the medical file says "Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell."  So no cyborg lungs for Thane just yet.  Unless someone comes up with that.

Back to the lab.

[Saibh]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

How do you guys think Thane will survive? Personally I hope he dies because it is a HUGE part of his character.

For him to live would invalidate why he was worth listening to in ME2.

I think it's pretty bad writing for a character who is otherwise interesting to depend on one single aspect of their life to make them compelling. If the only thing that makes Thane interesting is that he's dying, they did a pretty poor job with him.

As far as how he survives, LotSB tells us that lung transplants are an option for his survival--he simply turned down the procedure when he had the chance. I imagine if the ability to treat Thane is available, it will be presented as a choice, moral or otherwise. Possibly the only way you can get lungs for Thane is through some immoral mean (Feron for spare parts!), possibly Thane is rendered incapacitated for the remainder of the mission if he receives the surgery. Personally, I think a treatment should come at a pretty heavy consequence.

Modifié par Saibh, 19 octobre 2010 - 10:03 .

[JECWSU]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

How do you guys think Thane will survive? Personally I hope he dies because it is a HUGE part of his character.

For him to live would invalidate why he was worth listening to in ME2.

I really don't understand why some people seem so eager to have Thane die. Out of all the things we learn about Thane by talking to him I don't know why some choose to focus on that one aspect of his life. Yes he is dying, but there is so much more to the character than that. I don't really know how he will survive. I do hope that they give us a choice to cure him or at least prolong his life.

The fact that he's dying isn't what makes him worth listening to. The fact that he happens to be one of the most interesting characters in the game is.

[kaimanaMM]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

How do you guys think Thane will survive?

Any number of ways.  How do you think he'll survive?  Because it's easy to have him die.  Easy and cliche.

Personally I hope he dies because it is a HUGE part of his character.  For him to live would invalidate why he was worth listening to in ME2.

If all you took away from Thane is that he is dying, then you've made up your mind (and you didn't pay much attention). Why should we try to convince you otherwise?  It's not up to us to make the character interesting for you.

[General Ashous]

Indeed, you should find the character intruiging to begin with. I seriously do not agree dying is the main part of Thane's character. He would be just as great a character if he wasn't dying. His death only makes him a bit more spiritual but not a lot. The character that is Thane does not rely on his death but on his spirituality and his calm and collectedness. That is Thane.

[Saibh]

You know, while of course I want Thane cured, at the same time, if he's not, I understand.



We signed up to his death when we agreed for the relationship. A cure would be a bonus, but not something we're entitled to, or something that means bad writing if he is not cured. His death wouldn't be trite or cliched--we knew about it from the beginning. A dying character actually dying isn't banal.



I understand when people say that curing him would be a cop-out. A lot of people feel like all the drama over his death would be meaningless if he's cured by the third game. To me, it's not what makes Thane interesting, but to others it is. It certainly does make him more compelling. In a way, it is a cop-out. Part of the tragedy of Thane's relationship is that you have so little time with him. He says it himself: "Strange I should awaken now, when there's so little time left." You are told to accept what little time you have with him, as an asari would have to.



I just think that it's a valid question to ask--I think it's absolutely silly to think that his character would be destroyed by living, but feeling like curing him is a ditch is something I understand.

Modifié par Saibh, 20 octobre 2010 - 03:28 .

[JECWSU]

It's true you do know he is dying when you start a relationship with him. That doesn't mean he is going to die. Nothing is set in stone. For all we know they never intended on letting him die. It could have been put in there for extra drama. They could have always planned on giving us a choice to cure him or not to.They could also give you a way to prolong his life. It doesn't have to be a cure, but it would keep him alive a little bit longer until they find one. I don't understand how people can say curing him will ruin his charchter, but they have no problem with Shepard being brought back after two year of dead.The people that say he should die because it will ruin his character sound like a broken record. They say the same thing over and over. I have yet to see how it will ruin him. It is one aspect of his life,and there is so much more to Thane then that.