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[cindalkitty]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Nonsense4]

I'd like to claim the high moral ground and say I'm just interested in good writing... but I'm a fan of Thane, and I've become attached to his character. Good writing or no, I'm going to be depressed if he dies. (Of course, the level of my depression will vary with the skill with which such a scenario might be handled)



I really wanted a cure for Thane, but I think I could be satisfied with palliative care. Not 'cure' his Kepral's, but manage it, like diabetes or heart disease. Make it 'potentially fatal', not 'mortal, die really soon fatal'. An extra decade or so would be really nice, or even a couple of years.



As for the people who say most of Thane's character is in his dying - boy, he must have been a boring assassin before that, huh? Neck snaps, point blank shots and philosophy can't hold a candle to malignant bacteria and legal will kits. How the hell will Thane stay in character when he's dead, though?

[Fancando]

I am sure Mordin MD can figure something out, as long as Thane doen't have lupus........

Modifié par Fancando, 21 octobre 2010 - 07:33 .

[Nonsense4]

Chances are, with all the pooled resources of all the alien races, the possibilities of cure/treatment options are out there, they just need to be put together. Enter the new Shadow Broker (I did let Liara down nicely, so hopefully she'll do this itty bitty thing for me!) and perhaps Thane can participate in a trial or something. I'd trust both Mordin and Chakwas to supervise that.

[Fancando]

Nonsense4 wrote...

Chances are, with all the pooled resources of all the alien races, the possibilities of cure/treatment options are out there, they just need to be put together. Enter the new Shadow Broker (I did let Liara down nicely, so hopefully she'll do this itty bitty thing for me!) and perhaps Thane can participate in a trial or something. I'd trust both Mordin and Chakwas to supervise that.

Sounds like a great idea.

[JECWSU]

kaimanaMM wrote...

I would be totally okay if Thane dies at the end of ME3.  I believe he should eventually die, most likely before Shepard even. With all the cybernetiic gizmos keeping Shep alive, s/he might be living a long long time.  Unless of course, we meet our Maker against the Reapers (which is a whole 'nother can of worms).

I am not okay with Thane dying before ME3 even hits the shelves.  Because his story is unfinished.  And death is easy.  And, based on what we've seen so far, unless something drastically changes Thane's death, at this point, would be meaningless.  

I want options.  The option to treat him.  The option to not treat him.  The option to say, 'Oh yeah, you were that guy on Ilium I was supposed to pick up,' if I never recruited him  The option to walk off into the sunset with the Shep swagger and Thane right by his/her side.  I want choice.  I want consequence.

I want shirtless Thane with his sly half smile telling a joke that only he and Shepard know the punchline to.

And a pony.

I agree with this. I don't want Thane to die at all, but if he has to then i hope it's not at the beginning or the middle. It should be at the end. I want to at least have an entire game with him. I am really hoping that they give us a choice to cure him or not to, because if given the choice I would cure him everytime. Even with the my Shepards that didn't romance him.

[Lisinity]

Prompt (drive by question): Say, In ME3, there is a mission that could find a cure/scientist/lung/Holy Grail to help Thane, or at least prolong his life. However, doing this mission may detract from the main mission of defeating the Reapers and possibly cause some/all team members to change their views of you for jeopardizing the lives of innocents.



Would you do this mission?



Ready, set, discuss!

[lucife]

Sign
 
I want him alive YESS!!

Well... hi guys I m new in this, this is my first post  I usually never do that but this is impostant

(Sorry if my english is bad Im no a native speaker) 

[GuardianAngel470]

Fancando wrote...

I am sure Mordin MD can figure something out, as long as Thane doen't have lupus........

"What do you think this is, the bloody dark ages?! I'm a doctor not a savage! Good day sir!"

Anyway, a large part of his character is his mortality. His mortality made him try and stop Koliat, his mortality is why he is even working with you to begin with, it really is a big part of who he is in ME2. And that's just if you didn't romance him.

I can understand the desire to cure him, I like him, but it pretty much invalidates his entire reason for being on your crew.

I'm not saying he wouldn't stay, obviously he would, but it makes all his character development in ME2 meaningless because it was all based around his mortality.

[GuardianAngel470]

lucia cives wrote...

Sign
 
I want him alive YESS!!

Well... hi guys I m new in this, this is my first post  I usually never do that but this is impostant

(Sorry if my english is bad Im no a native speaker) 

English is perfect, spelling could use some work. ImpoRtant and Not. Other than that you're doing fine, especially compared to some of the other posters on here like you.

[GuardianAngel470]

Lisinity wrote...

Prompt (drive by question): Say, In ME3, there is a mission that could find a cure/scientist/lung/Holy Grail to help Thane, or at least prolong his life. However, doing this mission may detract from the main mission of defeating the Reapers and possibly cause some/all team members to change their views of you for jeopardizing the lives of innocents.

Would you do this mission?

Ready, set, discuss!

No. Even if I wanted to cure thane and if there was one I would, I wouldn't jeopardize the mission to do it. Thane wouldn't allow it to start with, he's accepted his fate already, he's willing to die for Shepard.

This would probably be like the final asteroid part in the movie Armageddon with Ben aflec and Bruce Willis. Thane would close the door and lock it and watch you fly away.

[GuardianAngel470]

mashavasilec wrote...

His mortality is integral to his character curing him would ruin it blah blah blah blah blah

Such novelty was never seen here before

Name me one conversation with Thane it isn't brought up, either directly or implied.

[Nonsense4]

Lisinity wrote...

Say, In ME3, there is a mission that could find a cure/scientist/lung/Holy Grail to help Thane, or at least prolong his life. However, doing this mission may detract from the main mission of defeating the Reapers and possibly cause some/all team members to change their views of you for jeopardizing the lives of innocents.

Would you do this mission?

Absolutely. If you don't really count Alchera, Shepard never got a loyalty mission of her own, and if the others don't like it, they can sit in a corner and pout. Shep died doing her best and took a lot of flak for things that were out of her control - so she deserves to act a bit selfishly once in a while. Besides, it's my view that a happy Shepard is a useful, productive, multiple killing Shepard. Killing bad guys, of course. Heh.

[GuardianAngel470]

mashavasilec wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

His mortality is integral to his character curing him would ruin it blah blah blah blah blah

Such novelty was never seen here before

Name me one conversation with Thane it isn't brought up, either directly or implied.

no i won't

Why? Because I honestly can't think of one. I haven't even done the romance.

[Tamyn]

Nonsense4 wrote...

I'd like to claim the high moral ground and say I'm just interested in good writing... but I'm a fan of Thane, and I've become attached to his character. Good writing or no, I'm going to be depressed if he dies. (Of course, the level of my depression will vary with the skill with which such a scenario might be handled)

I really wanted a cure for Thane, but I think I could be satisfied with palliative care. Not 'cure' his Kepral's, but manage it, like diabetes or heart disease. Make it 'potentially fatal', not 'mortal, die really soon fatal'. An extra decade or so would be really nice, or even a couple of years.

As for the people who say most of Thane's character is in his dying - boy, he must have been a boring assassin before that, huh? Neck snaps, point blank shots and philosophy can't hold a candle to malignant bacteria and legal will kits. How the hell will Thane stay in character when he's dead, though?

Yes. Some people say that "part of his appeal" is in his dying, tragedy or something, but I do NOT find that appealing. It's the thing I like least about him. The writers already loaded him with tragedy concerning his family, his upbringing and the loneliness of his lifestyle so why did they have to pile terminal illness on top of everything else?! The only thing I enjoyed that his illness added to his story was his breakdown in the romance conclusion.

I don't want them to kill him in the epilogue, especially not in a cut scene at the end. The ending of a game is my final impression of it and the conclusion of the story. I want the game to end on a positive note, with hope for the future of the game universe. I avoid depressing movies with tragic endings, and I don't want that in my games either. The only way I'd be okay with Mass Effect 3 killing Thane would be if Shepard died at the end too in a final act of sacrifice. There should at least be an option to cure him or significantly extend his life. Then the people who want him dead can let him die, and the people who want him to live will help him live. Everyone can be happy.

Modifié par Tamyn, 21 octobre 2010 - 10:15 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Tamyn wrote...

Nonsense4 wrote...

I'd like to claim the high moral ground and say I'm just interested in good writing... but I'm a fan of Thane, and I've become attached to his character. Good writing or no, I'm going to be depressed if he dies. (Of course, the level of my depression will vary with the skill with which such a scenario might be handled)

I really wanted a cure for Thane, but I think I could be satisfied with palliative care. Not 'cure' his Kepral's, but manage it, like diabetes or heart disease. Make it 'potentially fatal', not 'mortal, die really soon fatal'. An extra decade or so would be really nice, or even a couple of years.

As for the people who say most of Thane's character is in his dying - boy, he must have been a boring assassin before that, huh? Neck snaps, point blank shots and philosophy can't hold a candle to malignant bacteria and legal will kits. How the hell will Thane stay in character when he's dead, though?

Yes. Some people say that "part of his appeal" is in his dying, tragedy or something, but I do NOT find that appealing. It's the thing I like least about him. They already loaded him with tragedy concerning his family, his upbringing and the loneliness of his lifestyle so why did they have to pile terminally ill on top of everything else?! The only thing I enjoyed that his illness added to his story was his breakdown in the romance conclusion.

I don't want them to kill him in the epilogue, especially not in a cut scene at the end. The ending of a game is my final impression of it and the conclusion of the story. I want the game to end on a positive note, with hope for the future of the game universe. I avoid depressing movies with tragic endings, and I don't want that in my games either. The only way I'd be okay with Mass Effect 3 killing Thane would be if Shepard died at the end too in a final act of sacrifice. There should at least be an option to cure him or significantly extend his life. Then the people who want him dead can let him die, and the people who want him to live will help him live. Everyone can be happy.

It isn't so much that it is a part of his appeal, its more the fact that it is the single unifying characteristic of his personality. If I had the option to save him I would unless it interfered with the mission, but I would feel like his character had lost some of its meaning.

Mortality is such a huge part of his character that some sort of win button to save him would diminish who he is as expressed in ME2.

Now there's always the option for further character development and if they expand on his character to include things that aren't so centered around his mortality, then I might feel differently.

But as it stands now, it would feel cheap, there really isn't a better way to say it.

[Nonsense4]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

...a large part of his character is his mortality. His mortality made him try and stop Koliat, his mortality is why he is even working with you to begin with, it really is a big part of who he is in ME2. And that's just if you didn't romance him.

I can understand the desire to cure him, I like him, but it pretty much invalidates his entire reason for being on your crew.

I'm not saying he wouldn't stay, obviously he would, but it makes all his character development in ME2 meaningless because it was all based around his mortality.

I disagree. Thane faced moral dilemmas. First with his wife being murdered, he decided to stay away from his family so as not to soil them with the taint of being around/associated with an assassin, and not to risk their lives. If he wasn't going to change his profession when she was alive, he certainly had no impetus to change it when she wasn't. When he found out about his condition, he had something of a wakeup call about what his life had really been all about. He decided to alter it slightly, accepting contracts on 'taking bad people out of the world', notably Nassana whom he eliminated without being paid.

He joined Shepard because he wasn't fit to do much else. He viewed himself as a weapon, and Shep gave him a way to continue to try and do 'good' for as long as he had left. He had isolated himself from people for ten years, worked in a morally dubious profession and mourned the loss of the person he loved most in all the world. His life sentence was kind of the icing on his depression cake, and I'm really not surprised he decided life wasn't worth much after that.

However, once he joins Shepard, he slowly integrates a little with the team on the Normandy. He still thinks fairly constantly of his illness (naturally, it's been a focus for him for such a long time, and it's a way of putting the brakes on his emotions: don't enjoy this too much, don't get involved too much, you know you're gonna die) but with the lessened isolation and the slow camaraderie and empathy that builds up between him and Shepard - even a MaleShep - he finds some contentment in company and in not being morally challenged by his work. He also finds something of a cause, or crusade, with the battle against the Reapers - new purpose, and if FemShep romanced him, he has even more to look forward to. Add his tentative new relationship with his son, and I think you'd find anyone would wish to live longer to pursue those new goals.

A brush with death will change anyone. Thane might take a little while to adjust, but I think brilliant new things could come if he was granted additional time to do them in. Of course, Bioware is all about choices, so chances are we'll have a choice to make - I won't force you to make yours, but I know what mine will be.

[Tamyn]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

It isn't so much that it is a part of his appeal, its more the fact that it is the single unifying characteristic of his personality. If I had the option to save him I would unless it interfered with the mission, but I would feel like his character had lost some of its meaning.

Mortality is such a huge part of his character that some sort of win button to save him would diminish who he is as expressed in ME2.

Now there's always the option for further character development and if they expand on his character to include things that aren't so centered around his mortality, then I might feel differently.

But as it stands now, it would feel cheap, there really isn't a better way to say it.

I agree with you somewhat, but I don't think saving him would diminish who he was in ME 2. I think the dramatic potential of his illness has already been explored in the ME 2 romance, save for the actual death of course. His character has room to grow in other directions now. I'm not saying I want a "win button" either. With as much time as they spent dwelling on his death that got players all invested in it they could spend on getting him help in ME 3. It could be a quest or a slow progression of new discoveries or something throughout the game.

Modifié par Tamyn, 21 octobre 2010 - 10:33 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Tamyn wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

It isn't so much that it is a part of his appeal, its more the fact that it is the single unifying characteristic of his personality. If I had the option to save him I would unless it interfered with the mission, but I would feel like his character had lost some of its meaning.

Mortality is such a huge part of his character that some sort of win button to save him would diminish who he is as expressed in ME2.

Now there's always the option for further character development and if they expand on his character to include things that aren't so centered around his mortality, then I might feel differently.

But as it stands now, it would feel cheap, there really isn't a better way to say it.

I agree with you somewhat, but I don't think saving him would diminish who he was in ME 2. I think the dramatic potential of his illness has already been explored in the ME 2 romance, save for the actual death of course. His character has room to grow in other directions now. I'm not saying I want a "win button" either. With as much time as they spent dwelling on his death that got players all invested in it they could spend on getting him help in ME 3. It could be a quest or a slow progression of new discoveries or something throughout the game.

As long as something new came up about his character. His relationship with his son, his wife, and a lot else besides are all based around his mortality. If they explore other avenues, things that aren't related to or in any way referenced along with his mortality, I would be satisfied.

I just simply don't see anything about his character that I didn't learn about unless it connected to or was triggered by his mortality at this point. My opinion as of now is a standing one, subject to change if it is warranted.

[Tamyn]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

As long as something new came up about his character. His relationship with his son, his wife, and a lot else besides are all based around his mortality.

I see his relationships with his son and wife revolving much more around his assassin career than around his illness. Thane wants to reach Kolyat because he doesn't want Kolyat starting on the dark path of an assassin career like he did. His illness isn't brought up with Kolyat unless Shepard mentions it. Thane's wife was killed because Thane is an assassin. Being an assassin is how he met his wife.

[UnDutchable]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

It isn't so much that it is a part of his appeal, its more the fact that it is the single unifying characteristic of his personality. If I had the option to save him I would unless it interfered with the mission, but I would feel like his character had lost some of its meaning.

Mortality is such a huge part of his character that some sort of win button to save him would diminish who he is as expressed in ME2.

Now there's always the option for further character development and if they expand on his character to include things that aren't so centered around his mortality, then I might feel differently.

But as it stands now, it would feel cheap, there really isn't a better way to say it.

I agree with you somewhat, but I don't think saving him would diminish who he was in ME 2. I think the dramatic potential of his illness has already been explored in the ME 2 romance, save for the actual death of course. His character has room to grow in other directions now. I'm not saying I want a "win button" either. With as much time as they spent dwelling on his death that got players all invested in it they could spend on getting him help in ME 3. It could be a quest or a slow progression of new discoveries or something throughout the game.

As long as something new came up about his character. His relationship with his son, his wife, and a lot else besides are all based around his mortality. If they explore other avenues, things that aren't related to or in any way referenced along with his mortality, I would be satisfied.

I just simply don't see anything about his character that I didn't learn about unless it connected to or was triggered by his mortality at this point. My opinion as of now is a standing one, subject to change if it is warranted.

His relationship with his wife and son are based on him abandoning them because he was incapable of breaking free from his assassin training. Thane accept his fate, he always has, that's what his Kepral's shows; that's what his character is about. It's not about dying, his disease just adds a sense of urgency. He reacted to his disease the exact same way he reacted to becoming an assassin: with resignation, and the intention to make the best of it. He even says it himself: he was "asleep" before he met Irikah, he saw himself as a tool, and he went back to that state of mind when she died. He believes he failed her by not being there for her, by not protecting her. When he went back to Kahje after hunting down Irikah's killers, he realized he had also failed Kolyat by leaving him. He had one chance at a normal life and it ended badly. I suppose it's a matter of interpretation, since we don't know when he discovered he had Kepral's, but I believe it's this that drove him to try and make the galaxy a brighter place, not his disease. The disease didn't add anything to his character, for me; if you took away the Kepral's he'd still be a lonely, penitant "sinner" who feels like he's only good for killing.