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[Amedyr]

Been playing around with FRAPS, so I thought I'd contribute to the thread

[Manic Sheep]

I’m I the only one hoping they don't make a miracle cure for Thane in ME3?
I'm not trying to troll, Thane is awesome, even if he is a bit too depressing for my tastes. I just don't like it when characters with terminal illness or something else that is suppose to guarantee death get random miracle cures in storeys. I think if the writer plays that card they should go thru with it.

Just interested to see how the Thane fans feel about this.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 26 octobre 2010 - 03:37 .

[cindalkitty]

No, you're not. Most sentiments here don't want some magical cure pulled out of thin air. I (we?) just want him in 3, and/or the option to try to save him/other drell.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 26 octobre 2010 - 03:47 .

[Saibh]

cindalkitty wrote...

No, you're not. Most sentiments here don't want some magical cure pulled out of thin air. I (we?) just want him in 3, and/or the option to try to save him/other drell.

Indeed. I'd be pretty disgusted with a miracle cure--as it is, we know that lung transplant surgery is a viable option. My personal hope is that we get to make a moral decision, in the sense perhaps you get the lungs at a cost (Feron for spare parts in ME3!). Even if acquiring the lung surgery itself isn't a moral choice, I think that if you choose to cure him, he can't be a party member for the rest of the game. How that effects anything later doesn't particularly matter to me, but I think it should come at a high price.

I also think that curing him shouldn't be a romance-only option. That's silly. He has Kolyat to live for too--I think it should be a loyalty option.

[cindalkitty]

He has Kolyat to live for and making the galaxy a brighter place. Indeed.

Question, though. Since a lung transplant wouldn't actually cure him, just help, how difficult should the choice be, morally? Keep in mind, it has spread to his liver, stomach, and heart (though the heart is "negligible" at this time) as well. It would suck to compromise Thane's morality just to buy time... because I'm not sure he'd go for that, no matter who was telling him to choose life (this being one of the points brought up about why Thane never put himself on the transplant list).

Unless maybe Feron just dropped dead in front of them all convenient-like.

*steeples fingers*

Modifié par cindalkitty, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Saibh]

cindalkitty wrote...

He has Kolyat to live for and making the galaxy a brighter place. Indeed.

Question, though. Since a lung transplant wouldn't actually cure him, just help, how difficult should the choice be, morally? Keep in mind, it has spread to his liver, stomach, and heart (though the heart is "negligible" at this time) as well. It would suck to compromise Thane's morality just to buy time... because I'm not sure he'd go for that, no matter who was telling him to choose life (this being one of the points brought up about why Thane never put himself on the transplant list).

Unless maybe Feron just dropped dead in front of them all convenient-like.

*steeples fingers*

Indeed, it's my personal opinion that, if lung transplant surgery is where it's at, then it will buy him enough time for the hanar to develop a cure--not cure him outright.

If it's "buying some time", I imagine that might be the moral question--do you deprive another drell of lungs or somehow gain them illicitly just so you get an extra few months with your lizard-boo? Even though he contributes to your mission to save the galaxy, and even though you and he might die anyway? 

...Yeah, but I'd so do it anyway. Depending on what the morality is, it might be that Paragon is convincing him to take it, neutral is telling him to make his own choice, and Renegade is saying he can't have it. If giving him the surgery is considered the worse of two evils, then it might be Paragon lets him decide for himself, neutral tries to convince him to take it, and Renegade tells him he can't.

I don't think the game designers would decide that curing him is a Renegade thing to do. Not really for moral reasons, but because it just doesn't seem like something a Renegade Shep would do. Why would the pragmatist remove one of her own crewmates? It'd be like Shepard is giving Thane the lungs just so she could be a b1tchy Renegade and take them from another drell.

Modifié par Saibh, 26 octobre 2010 - 05:07 .

[cindalkitty]

The charm option of  "Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane~~~~~ You deserve to live.  Srsly, guy."
and
The intimidate option of  "Take them, damnit.  This isn't a choice, it's a command.  I need you on my team." (/in my bed)

I did not include a "nevermind, have a candybar and die slowly" or a neutral option, but that's because I think, if you've gotten to this point, it's the big decision-making point where Shep gets what she wants because she has enough paragon or renegade points, or fails because she doesn't have enough of either (like Wrex on Virmire, or Jack/Miranda loyalty confrontation).  And this would come after the option to save him or not.  This is the... How To Convince Him If You Decided To Save Him part.

And which is worse?  Having Thane succumb to his disease, or leaving him no choice but to do something he's against?  Because then, this way, Thane lives a little while longer, but hates himself and you or some such.  if you take the Intimidate option.

If my warden can convince Alistair to not dump her, and then again to spawn an old god demon baby in another woman's womb, then, gdi, my Shepard should be able to convince someone to do something potentially amoral.

Or at least convince him that, despite the risk he's taking with it, he is as worthy of living as any other being in the universe, if not moreso, because he's helping ensure they can continue to live at all.

damnit.

DAMNIT.

DAMNIT THANE.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 26 octobre 2010 - 05:36 .

[JECWSU]

cindalkitty wrote...

No, you're not. Most sentiments here don't want some magical cure pulled out of thin air. I (we?) just want him in 3, and/or the option to try to save him/other drell.

Exactly. I don't think people want a magical cure, but we would like the option to save him. I jus don't want him to die at the beginning, middle, and hopefully not the end of ME3. Even if by the end of ME3 we still don't have a cure. Maybe if we could find a way to prolong his life with the hope of one day finding a cure.

[General Ashous]

I quite agree, magical cure makes no sense. What we want is Thane in ME3 and the opportunity to cure him and the whole race. It would be nice to visit Kahje and see how the hanar intend to adapt them and see if they can develop a cure for those already suffering from the effects of the disease. Mordin plus hanar scientists equals cure. Ding ding ding ding. Jackpot!

[JECWSU]

It would be nice to visit Kahje. I am curious to see what it looks like, and I also would like to know just how far the hanar have gotten with adapting them, and finding a cure.

[kaimanaMM]

This whole deal with talking / convincing / persuading Thane to get a lung transplant is where I'm having problems. Ultimately, the choice to have the transplant, if that is even an option, is Thane's choice.  We don't know yet why he refused or when.  It's logical, knowing Thane and his personality, to think that he wouldn't want to burden Shepard being laid up in a hospital bed while he/she's out there roflstomping Reapers. It gives me a frowny face, but should the choice even be left up to Shepard?

Shepard can just about convince the stars to fall from the sky on command through persuasion or intimidation.  What would mean more : Shepard, confronting Thane, persuading or intimidating him to get new lungs because it's a fat chance Feron will just keel over for us.  - or - Thane, confronting Shepard, asking or telling him/her to respect his decision or that he's changed his mind, but as always there's not enough time.

And I don't even know you people.  I want magical space unicorns with magical space sparkles to cure Thane. Because it's magic.  

In space.

*obligatory*  That is a joke.

[abnocte]

General Ashous wrote...

I quite agree, magical cure makes no sense. What we want is Thane in ME3 and the opportunity to cure him and the whole race. It would be nice to visit Kahje and see how the hanar intend to adapt them and see if they can develop a cure for those already suffering from the effects of the disease. Mordin plus hanar scientists equals cure. Ding ding ding ding. Jackpot!

Mordin has a super low survival rate in the suicide mission, so I would prefer if the cure has little to do with having him around. 

In my case, I don't see the point of a transplant if it isn't going to cure him...and I doubt ME3 will have a timegap like ME2, so I think Thane should be OK until the end of ME3.... or so I hope.

At the moment my strongest bet is in finding some prothean technology ( or something... ), that will further Kepral's cure research. Then getting an epilogue that mentions Thane taking the treatment and getting cured...

Otherwise, no. No magical cure please!

[JECWSU]

I guess what I would like to know is when and most importantly why he refuses the transplant before I would think about trying to convince him to have it done. I don't know how I would feel about trying to talk him into doing something he doesn't want to do. Even if I don't agree with his reasoning it's still his choice. I also don't know how much time this transplant is going to buy him. Since the transplant is not a cure, just a temporary fix, Thane may feel that there is no point of going through all of that since it isn't going to buy him much time anyway.

[General Ashous]

That would actually be quite ironic. Shepard is Thane's siha and then an actual siha appears and cures him. I would love to see the looks on their faces if that happened.

[Saibh]

kaimanaMM wrote...

This whole deal with talking / convincing / persuading Thane to get a lung transplant is where I'm having problems. Ultimately, the choice to have the transplant, if that is even an option, is Thane's choice.  We don't know yet why he refused or when.  It's logical, knowing Thane and his personality, to think that he wouldn't want to burden Shepard being laid up in a hospital bed while he/she's out there roflstomping Reapers. It gives me a frowny face, but should the choice even be left up to Shepard?

Like Shepard ever lets her crew think for themselves. Not on her ship!  Besides that, something like a Charm/Intimidate option is rarely Shepard forcing her way--it's her convincing them that what she wants is best. Shepard Paragon or Renegade convinces Thane that a cure is best.

Thinking on it, it'd be better if it were a Charm/Intimidate option, as cindal said. The non-Persuade options could either be failed attempts to sway him or simply morality versions of telling him it's better to stay with her and fight Reapers.

Shepard can just about convince the stars to fall from the sky on command through persuasion or intimidation.  What would mean more : Shepard, confronting Thane, persuading or intimidating him to get new lungs because it's a fat chance Feron will just keel over for us.  - or - Thane, confronting Shepard, asking or telling him/her to respect his decision or that he's changed his mind, but as always there's not enough time.

You know, it'd be an interesting twist for Thane to confront Shepard. I was talking with someone--not here--about a situation like this, and she was telling me that curing Thane should come at the cost of his romance/friendship. If that were the case, I'd thought it'd be incredibly silly on his part. Shepard wouldn't force him down and cut him open and shove new lungs in there. In the end, it'd have to be his choice (with Shepard's god-like Persuasion), and it'd be pretty crappy if he blames Shepard for something that he chose to do. Not very Thane-like, either.

I can't see a way for Shepard to "force" him to do it--threaten to kick him off her crew if he doesn't? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, especially if he's hospitalized with the cure, because it seems for a plain stupid thing for her to do. He either doesn't get cured and dies and can't help with the Reapers, or doesn't get cured and can. In any case, even if she does kick him off, it would still be Thane's choice to get the cure.

[General Ashous]

It wouldn't be that bad. I think it'd be quite mystic and spiritual for Thane. An angel appears from a bright light, places her hands on his chest, a bright light glows. Thane askes who she is and she responds with "I am a siha, sent to reward you for your good deeds." and then vanishes again. That would be something.

[Saibh]

General Ashous wrote...

It wouldn't be that bad. I think it'd be quite mystic and spiritual for Thane. An angel appears from a bright light, places her hands on his chest, a bright light glows. Thane askes who she is and she responds with "I am a siha, sent to reward you for your good deeds." and then vanishes again. That would be something.

Well, there's no point in describing my potential raeg at this actually happening, 'cause we know it wouldn't. That just wouldn't be cool.

[Fiery Phoenix]

If Shepard can't or is not the person to convince Thane into accepting the lung transplant, Kolyat is always there. There must have been a reason we couldn't and didn't have the option to kill Kolyat, as opposed to Morinth, Ronald Taylor, Miranda's friend, Sidonis, etc etc etc.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:48 .

[General Ashous]

I know, I know. I don't want mirical cure either. I was just saying, there are some pretty funny ideas of how they could do it.

[General Ashous]

How about they disect him and take all his body parts, store them in a frozne room whilst they rip up Feron and then stitch his parts onto Feron's chest? A Frankenstein rip off. That would be... unique.

[Saibh]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

If Shepard can't or is not the person to convince Thane into accepting the lung transplant, Kolyat is always there. There must have been a reason we couldn't and didn't have the option to kill Kolyat, as opposed to Morinth, Ronald Taylor, Miranda's friend, Sidonis, etc etc etc.

Well, the point was to save Kolyat. In the case of killing Morinth, Taylor, Niket, or Sidonis, it's what they either wanted to do, or they left it up to your judgement. A Renegade Shepard is at least trying to get their loyalty.