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[kaimanaMM]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

cindalkitty wrote...
 However, just because something can be taken many ways, does it mean it should be taken many ways?  No.  You have to go off of what you know and everything else presented to you to draw a conclusion, not just cling to an idea because it exists in a wide realm of possibility.

My Lit Major sense is tingling. 

This is, quite frankly, wrong. It's not bad in any form to interpret something based on little evidence, if it is within reason.

What does having a Lit Major have to do with anything?

It's not bad, in any form, to interpret something based on little evidence within reason.

So, when Thane says, "She helped me carry my burdens," about Irikah, he really meant that she was doing his laundry because being an assassin doesn't give one enough time to clean the tightey whiteys?  Or maybe he meant she gave him money for the bus because assassin work doesn't pay so well?  

I can take that phrase to mean whatever I want, but given the context and when Thane says that line to Shepard I don't think he's saying Irikah gave him a bandaid  because he cut his finger.

[NeitiCora]

Guys guys seriously, I thought we had the interwebs etiquette figured out already. Gawfvam lit majors... I'll calculate all your responses with my finance major and invest them where they perform better in increasing value to their shareholders.

Saibh - I was actually about to write in the end of my last post that I would like to suggest we move this conversation more in the direction of Irikah and how her views of Thane's profession might have gone and since that's obviously what you'd like to discuss as well, how about we continue from there?

So what do y'all think happened when Thane 'just had to meet her'? Any plausible theories on how she perceived him and his profession, what her initial thoughts were and how they changed if at all?

"O hai, I'm the guy whose laser dot you used as a beauty mark on your forehead the other day."

Modifié par NeitiCora, 04 novembre 2010 - 06:28 .

[Bryy_Miller]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

cindalkitty wrote...
 However, just because something can be taken many ways, does it mean it should be taken many ways?  No.  You have to go off of what you know and everything else presented to you to draw a conclusion, not just cling to an idea because it exists in a wide realm of possibility.

My Lit Major sense is tingling. 

This is, quite frankly, wrong. It's not bad in any form to interpret something based on little evidence, if it is within reason.

What does having a Lit Major have to do with anything?

Nothing.

But if you want to cling on to it like it's the one defining feature of my post, then you're free to do so.

[cindalkitty]

Maybe if you hadn't thrust it out there like it mattered, then?

[Bryy_Miller]

mashavasilec wrote...

quote me, i dare you

Right. Because the internet is that important. By "attack", he meant that you "came to the rescue" of your fellow threadmates. Which you did, regardless of what was being said by either side.

[cindalkitty]

OH but it IS important enough for you to come in here and derail an already derailed issue when you clearly have no interest in Thane or his part in ME3?

Modifié par cindalkitty, 28 octobre 2010 - 08:28 .

[Dave of Canada]

cindalkitty wrote...

You base speculation off of what you're given, not the other way around.  I don't need to major in Literature to know that.

You're given knowledge that Irikah (spelling?) is against assassination, that's enough to cause speculation on Thane's behavior to her. I heavily doubt she'd suddenly change her mind about it.

mashavasilec wrote...

who did i attack?

quote me, i dare you

It was a general statement to everybody.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 28 octobre 2010 - 08:29 .

[Saibh]

mashavasilec wrote...

this wasn't a general statement

she was saying that in that very context Thane's words can be interpreted in only one way

what i see is you misinterpreting her words by saying it's 'wrong'

i try to explain why it is not wrong

is that clear?

If I'm understanding, he's protesting the idea that you can't interpret something upon which you have little evidence, not the actual line itself. I don't believe he's expressed an opinion on that. I could interpret the line as "I didn't need Kolyat to know, because Irikah's warmth kept me strong" or something similar (shut up, I write masterpieces), nothing really fundamental about the line would have changed, but it still leaves it up for debate whether she actually knew. He could just be saying that she was supporting for him, I don't know.

That's not what I'm arguing anymore; I think that Bryy is saying you just can't rule out room for interpretation.

Anyhow, perhaps we are derailing the topic.

Modifié par Saibh, 28 octobre 2010 - 08:29 .

[kaimanaMM]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Nothing.

But if you want to cling on to it like it's the one defining feature of my post, then you're free to do so.

I quoted / used your entire post.  You led off with the proverbial horn tooting.

If you think Thane actually meant burdens other than those that come with being a trained / conditioned killer since you were six, at that point in the relationship between him and Shepard, then by all means.  

If it's within reason.

[Bryy_Miller]

cindalkitty wrote...

OH but it IS important enough for you to come in here and derail an already derailed issue when you clearly have no interest in Thane or his part in ME3?

*facepalm*
Yes, my post was off-topic, but I think treating being insulted on the forum like it's a real insult is a *tad* different. I didn't come here to start an eFight. I really didn't. Believe that or not, doesn't matter to me. I was merely posting my opinion on something you said. Not my fault that people decided to berate me for it.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Thane does not like arguing amongst his fans.





He is watching you. He is judgeing you. LET'S ALL GET ALONG NOW!

[NeitiCora]

Hands up everyone NOT having the "Gotta have the last word in an argument" -syndrome? *hands up*

Now can we theorize about Irikah? I would love to hear plausible, not wildly OOC visions, with plausible arguments. In a polite manner. Theories?

Modifié par NeitiCora, 28 octobre 2010 - 08:35 .

[Dave of Canada]

NeitiCora wrote...

Now can we theorize about Irikah? I would love to hear plausible, not wildly OOC visions, with plausible arguments. In a polite manner. Theories?

Isn't that what was going on?

[NeitiCora]

Dave of Canada - No. That was not what was going on.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I think Irikah was a very strong, intelligent, caring and loving woman. You have to be in order to bag Thane.

[Fiery Phoenix]

If I were you, Miller, I wouldn't have bothered posting my opinion in the first place. It should have been obvious that it would only compound the problem.

[cindalkitty]

Dave of Canada wrote...

cindalkitty wrote...

You base speculation off of what you're given, not the other way around.  I don't need to major in Literature to know that.

You're given knowledge that Irikah (spelling?) is against assassination, that's enough to cause speculation on Thane's behavior to her. I heavily doubt she'd suddenly change her mind about it.

We know so little about Irikah that I can't take much about her as canon.  All I know is that she was brave enough to step between an assassin and his target, and she was indignant over it, and Thane fell head over heels for her.   There's a wide realm of possibilities as to why she did it and what this means about her, but we just don't know.  However, I do agree that it is likely that his job and her convictions did clash, but not based off of that.

I agree, I don't think she'd suddenly change her mind about it.  He says she "eventually" forgave him and "later" loved him, implying that it took time to get to those points.

However, given everything else posted in the last 4 pages or so, I'm more inclined to err on the side of her accepting it's all he knows how to do and all he could do to support them, rather than him being trying to carry on a double life over it.

But this has all been said.  So why are you two in here?

edit:  she's been disagreed with, but at no point has she been attacked.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 28 octobre 2010 - 08:44 .

[NeitiCora]

Personally, I don't see the beginning of Thane and Irikah's relationship necessarily as easy. She would probably be torn between honoring the Compact and resenting its results. However, I'm assuming her beliefs were similar to Thane's as far as body/soul is concerned, so I'm thinking maybe she saw Thane as a victim too, forces bigger than them controlling his actions. Essentially that is what it was. Thane never had a say in this matter.

As far as freelancing goes, does Thane say at some point that he was going to put an end to Nassana's badthingdoings? It's been a while and I can't remember his lines with that much detail. So what I'm thinking, maybe both I&T eventually decided that taking bad out of the world wasn't that bad a choice, at least not pointless like many other mundane tasks Thane could have uptaken to provide for his family. This would be one possible explanation for why Irikah could have accepted Thane freelancing.

Modifié par NeitiCora, 28 octobre 2010 - 08:47 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

What was admirable about what Irikah did was that she was defending someone she didn't know against someone she didn't know.



She didn't know the circumstances, couldn't have know if Thane was an assassin, spectre, or merc, she just knew that some guy was trying to murder some other guy, and had the guts to get into the way.



It wasn't particularly Thane's career she was against, she was against the murder of an innocent person on the streets as anyone should be against. For all we know, that person Thane was hired to kill was a murderer of innocent people or any other number of evil things.

[NeitiCora]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

It wasn't particularly Thane's career she was against, she was against the murder of an innocent person on the streets as anyone should be against. For all we know, that person Thane was hired to kill was a murderer of innocent people or any other number of evil things.

This is exactly what I've been thinking. Also, this sort of thinking would provide for a basis for the two to come to terms and eventually fall in love. Irikah view of Thane switching from merciless killer to perhaps a martyr protector or something. Someone taking the life's of those who would take even more lives.

Sure, it could be just my Thane shaped-glasses distorting my view of angsty pixel reality, so I'm open for other theories if anyone has any.

Altough...

THANE LOL LOL!

[kaimanaMM]

Irikah saw Thane's spotting laser.

She had no idea who the person was or what he / she did to earn the attention of a trained assassin, but she stepped in front of a bullet for that person.  A complete stranger.  That took big ones made of solid brass.  And Thane was both impressed and humbled by her action.  

I pointed this out a long time ago, but, unless evidence surfaces saying otherwise, this was the very first time Thane was directly challenged -  by anyone - and an outsider, to boot, who had no stake in the entire situation at all.  

But all I have to go on are Thane's memories of her.  

Do I think they were two happy drell with a white picket fence and little Kolyat in the yard?  They might have wanted to be, they could have tried to be, but ultimately, they weren't.  

And that doesn't make either one a bad person.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Perhaps the person had been a good person, just a successful competitor to some company.



We could look at it that Irikah made him think about what jobs he picks up as an assassin. To not just pick them up blindly for money, and that's another part of the reason he left and freelanced instead.



Correct me, as my memory is hazy, but didn't he say he was being picky about who he went after? Could that be some of Irikah's influence?