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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Wish I could make a fanvid... A Thane/femshep one would be great, I remember watching a cinematic trailer with femshep instead of John Shepard, and the romance was with Thane, that was really cool. Why would a trailer have boring Jacob as the romance...

I shall embrace my inner geek goddess! Unfortunately, all the male geeks I know are just friends who I could never date. *Must date a hot geek* I never hide my geekiness, my ex was very aware of my love for Mass effect (and Garrus!)

Ok then, another plot hole that exists in Thane and femshep's relationship: What was Irikah like? What was her personality like? We know very little of her except for she put herself between a civilian's death. So strong willed, sacrificial and a paragon?

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm not sure I can answer that, Tasha. And I fear it doesn't quite qualify as a plothole. Not really.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm not sure I can answer that, Tasha. And I fear it doesn't quite qualify as a plothole. Not really.

Sorry, it is the wrong word. But it's like a missing piece of background information, we know next to nothing about Irikah given her huge role in Thane's life. Just wondering what your thoughts are.

[JECWSU]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm not sure I can answer that, Tasha. And I fear it doesn't quite qualify as a plothole. Not really.

Sorry, it is the wrong word. But it's like a missing piece of background information, we know next to nothing about Irikah given her huge role in Thane's life. Just wondering what your thoughts are.

All we know about her is what Thane tells you. She was brave, strong. She impressed him. She woke him up. She would have had to have been someone pretty special to get his attention. I'm guessing he was pretty young when he met her. I don't think winning her over was easy. What we know so far may be all that the game ever tells us. I'm not sure what else there is to know.  
 

Modifié par JECWSU, 16 novembre 2010 - 10:43 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hmm, yeah you have it there JECWSU, fanfics can always help me out there. I was always a lil curious about Irikah, and you're right that she probably won't be developed on in ME3. Ah well...

[JECWSU]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Hmm, yeah you have it there JECWSU, fanfics can always help me out there. I was always a lil curious about Irikah, and you're right that she probably won't be developed on in ME3. Ah well...

I was a bit curious about her myself. I also wondered what their marriage was like. I always got the impression that even though they loved each other the marriage had problems. Fanfics do help. I wish there was more fanfic about Thane.

Modifié par JECWSU, 16 novembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

True, he is such a mysterious character, and damn, that certainly adds to his appeal! Yeah, there isn't much fanfic out there on Thane, but then again, I am usually reading up on the calibrating crazy turian over here

Thane and Irikah seemed like one of those couples that would last against any storm, he certainly loved her, she was his first siha. And they had a son. Thane mentions that most are lucky to have one siha in their life, nevermind two. Isn't he the lucky one!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hainkpe wrote...

For me the back story to Irikah depends on the characters point of view and context. If the back story was only from Thane's point of view and it is in the context of his life before the Normandy, how he got to Nassana's high rise. Then that, I would love to see as a graphic novel or comic book. Same from Kolyat's perspective and the context of his relationship with his mother, the absence of his father and the life he knew on Kahje up to and including his time on the Citadel when Thane burst into the door to help/save him. Then that as well would be very interesting as well.

I have trepidation if it came from the female Shepard's point of view and in the context of her relationship with Thane. Reason being, I have female friends, who want to know their current boyfriend's reasons he broke up with his former girlfriend or spouse. I don't understand that. I can understand wanting to know that the boyfriend had a life before the current relationship, but to know the entire story. I think that goes someplace where the relationship doesn't need to go. In the end, would it be healthy for any new relationship to dig up the past of former relationships? My opinion is no but its a good question!

I definitely think Thane as a character would be enriched by telling more of his back story from either his or Kolyat's perspective. Even Irikah's perspective would be interesting, up until the moment she died. Then to jump to Kolyat's. That would be a story.

I agree there, more from a curiousity sort of view I want to know more about Thane and what his relationship to Irikah said about him. I'm not one for digging up the past, especially if it is a touchy subject. My ex had three fiancees before me, never a problem.
I think in Thane's life, it has given him experience, he knows what he is doing and knows how to deal with love and will be strong and unwavering in his love for femshep. That letter just hits the nail on the head
But I'm all for awkward and endearing Garrus still

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Despite his loss though, he kept going on. And that is why I respect him so much.

As for your questions, Hainkpe... I would happy knowing just want Thane would want me to know, if he wants to keep some things hidden, the I am sure I would oblige if it meant keeping him.

Personally, I'm a very open minded person, and with Thane, his assassinations can be justified. He killed criminals, corrupted people and the nincompoops out there. I'm all for second chances, but sometimes, it is better for more people if one person was killed. But I had better not make this political, you do not want to see me get political!

I think Thane is honest though, he was honest about using kids to espionage, whatever shep asks, I'm sure he would tell her the truth, he strikes me as that kinda guy.

What do you think Hainkpe?

[JECWSU]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Despite his loss though, he kept going on. And that is why I respect him so much.
As for your questions, Hainkpe... I would happy knowing just want Thane would want me to know, if he wants to keep some things hidden, the I am sure I would oblige if it meant keeping him.
Personally, I'm a very open minded person, and with Thane, his assassinations can be justified. He killed criminals, corrupted people and the nincompoops out there. I'm all for second chances, but sometimes, it is better for more people if one person was killed. But I had better not make this political, you do not want to see me get political!
I think Thane is honest though, he was honest about using kids to espionage, whatever shep asks, I'm sure he would tell her the truth, he strikes me as that kinda guy.
What do you think Hainkpe?

Thane would tell you the truth if you ask. The only reason he brings up his wife in the first place is because Shepard asks. He comes across as a very open and honest person. He admits to abandoning his family. He didn't have to do that. He could have just lied about it but he didn't. 

Modifié par JECWSU, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:55 .

[JECWSU]

Hainkpe wrote...

I agree with you both. The only time you know about Thane is if you ask. He does not reveal or ramble. He is very formal at first but when asked, he opens up more and more. For me, that dynamic is the most fascinating thing about him. He is private but willing to open up. I respect that, to me that's honorable. It should be his choice of when to open up and how much.

I think Thane in the long run would be someone very interesting to have in my life. I get the feeling. I would always be surprised when it came to him. He would always do something that was unexpected but in a nice and endearing way.

I agree. He dosen't tell you right away about his wife, but eventually he does open up about it. I agree he is an interesting person to have in your life. Shepard is very lucky to have him.

[JECWSU]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

True, he is such a mysterious character, and damn, that certainly adds to his appeal! Yeah, there isn't much fanfic out there on Thane, but then again, I am usually reading up on the calibrating crazy turian over here
Thane and Irikah seemed like one of those couples that would last against any storm, he certainly loved her, she was his first siha. And they had a son. Thane mentions that most are lucky to have one siha in their life, nevermind two. Isn't he the lucky one!

I do read Garrus fanfic also. I do wish there was more of it about Thane.

I do agree that Thane and Irikah loved each other, but I'm not so sure the marriage would have lasted. They did have a lot of problems. One being Thane was always gone. Another is I just don't think they were really that well suited for each other. I don't think she was ever crazy about what he did for a living, and I think she hated being left alone all the time. She was basically a single parent raising their son on her own. That's why Kolyat is so resentful, because his father was never there. I don't know how drell culture looks at marriage or if they have anything like a divorce. Maybe they would have stayed married. I just don't think it was a happy marriage.

Modifié par JECWSU, 16 novembre 2010 - 05:29 .

[kaimanaMM]

Thane has no reason to lie or conceal the truth, both personally and professionally.  He's both honest and straight-forward, which is interesting considering his profession.  Because he's an assassin, he could have been set up to be manipulative, he could lie, cheat and steal, but he doesn't.  (That we know of, at least.)  I like that he says pride is the line between a professional and a thug.

For me, my Shepards that have romanced him share his philosophy - somewhat.  Most of my Shepards do though, thus why he's also Main Brogan Numero Uno.

Shepard is a highly trained marine by the Alliance.  S/He is a hardened soldier who's used to being in command and dealing with that type of pressure of facing near impossible situations.  S/He has been trained to use different weapons and depending on whether your  Shepard is a biotic or tech, in both cases it can be assumed that Shep has had extensive and intensive training in either field.  Shepard's body is just another weapon in his/her arsenal. People seem to forget lately that Shepard was this way even before Cerberus got ahold of him/her.

Anyway.

As to Thane's past.  Everyone has a past.  I prefer to think of Thane as a multi-hued picture or a many-faceted gem.  Some of the colors are dark, they're brutal and edgy.  Some of the colors are brilliant and sharp.  Still others are soft and smoky.  But each one makes up the whole and without them, he wouldn't be the man he is.

[KalliChan07]

I personally never got the feeling that Thane and his past wife were very close.  I believe their marraige was already sort of falling apart because of Thane's absence as well.

The way he spoke of her (imho) was more of a respectful tone as she was the mother of his son, not so much romantically.  They loved each other, but just really had nothing in common due to the distance and strain Thane created between them by accepting so many hits.

Also I never believed she was his siha. Siha is for a female warrior, she was more of a loving housewife.
Just my two cents though!

Modifié par KalliChan07, 16 novembre 2010 - 05:02 .

[ravenimage]

From what Thane tells Shepard, Irikah was a vivid and courageous person. The kind of "good" you don't expect from an everyday passerby. She was the kind of person who wakes you up and realize who you are and what you're doing -- I've met people like that and frankly, I have a lot of respect for the woman just from hearing the little bits about her. My Shep respects her, too. I think Thane was lucky to have her, whether she was still alive in ME2 (and thus Thane would not be romanceable) or not.



In fact, learning about Irikah and Thane inspired a lot of the respect I now have for the drell species as a whole.



Personally, I -- and by extension my Shep -- would not be afraid to ask Thane more about his wife were the subject appropriate. At this point, disappearing into pleasant memories helps Thane, and I don't at all feel jealousy towards the possibility that he will vanish into his memories with Irikah from time to time. That's just something you're going to have to deal with in a human-drell relationship, as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure there's some form of control over the memories, and Thane is respectful, but there's always that chance during an intimate moment with Shep that some memory of Irikah will come firing back into his mind -- one he won't be able to help.



As for what he called Irikah and presently calls Shepard, he says he thought Irikah was "the Goddess Arashu." A siha is a warrior-angel of Arashu. From my spiritual perspective (yes, I am very spiritual) I see it as Irikah looking out for Thane from the afterlife; she saw her withering husband and led him to Shepard, so that he could awaken again. It doesn't have to be true, it's just a good metaphor to me. Shepard is the "angel" sent by a goddess.



And as for their marriage, I agree it probably wasn't happy. Thane played the role of family man and failed, no doubt about that. It's something he regrets terribly and tried to make up for by atoning for his atrocities (killing Irikah's killers slowly rather than quickly for example), and protecting Kolyat from the dark career as a hitman. That being said, happy marriage or not I have no doubts Irikah was still very much in love with Thane, and she was more afraid for him and their family than angry that he was never there. He probably tried very hard to be a good husband and father. He wasn't successful.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Regarding Thane and Irikah's marriage:



I always think of something my friend said after her parents got divorced: "They loved each other, but weren't meant to live together." I think the same could be said for Thane and Irikah. I don't think there's any doubt that Thane loved her, and from his stories it seems she loved him too. But living with an assassin has to be difficult, especially one who doesn't know anything but that life. Not that I see the two seperating or anything, but I do think after a while Irikah put up with it for Kolyat's sake, and because she still loved Thane, not because she was happy being married to him.



I guess this is why I prefer Shepard/Thane to Irikah/Thane. It seems more natural to me--they're both warriors, both living the life of eradicating evil in a sense. They seem more fitted to each other than Irikah and Thane did. Then again we do have to remember Irikah's Thane and the Thane we meet in ME2 are different people.



So Irikah can have Young!Thane and Shepard can have BattleSleep!Thane. It all works out.

[NeitiCora]

Chee I have to say, I was reading this thread and was about to throw in my two cents, until I read far enough to reach your post about Thane and Irikah's marriage and later on, Young!Thane vs. Bruised!Thane post. Then I realized, good lady, that once again you beat me to it. We're nearing a situation where I no longer need to post in interwebs anymore, because anything I might do or say, you already contribute. ;D



So this ended up another of those "I AGREE" posts.



I have to say though that Irikah is a huge item of interest for me, so I share Tasha's 'meh' on the fact that Irikah will probably never be developed any more, unless like... Kolyat becomes a recruitable party member and starts talking about his past and memories about mom. Highly unlikely, but maaaaan that would be awesome.



On a completely unrelated note, those of you lurking in NSAS, join our Sekrit Santa for drellishiousness and more.

[JECWSU]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Regarding Thane and Irikah's marriage:

I always think of something my friend said after her parents got divorced: "They loved each other, but weren't meant to live together." I think the same could be said for Thane and Irikah. I don't think there's any doubt that Thane loved her, and from his stories it seems she loved him too. But living with an assassin has to be difficult, especially one who doesn't know anything but that life. Not that I see the two seperating or anything, but I do think after a while Irikah put up with it for Kolyat's sake, and because she still loved Thane, not because she was happy being married to him.

I guess this is why I prefer Shepard/Thane to Irikah/Thane. It seems more natural to me--they're both warriors, both living the life of eradicating evil in a sense. They seem more fitted to each other than Irikah and Thane did. Then again we do have to remember Irikah's Thane and the Thane we meet in ME2 are different people.

So Irikah can have Young!Thane and Shepard can have BattleSleep!Thane. It all works out.

This statment sums it up perfectly, and I agree with everything you have said.

[ravenimage]

JECWSU wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Regarding Thane and Irikah's marriage:

I always think of something my friend said after her parents got divorced: "They loved each other, but weren't meant to live together." I think the same could be said for Thane and Irikah. I don't think there's any doubt that Thane loved her, and from his stories it seems she loved him too. But living with an assassin has to be difficult, especially one who doesn't know anything but that life. Not that I see the two seperating or anything, but I do think after a while Irikah put up with it for Kolyat's sake, and because she still loved Thane, not because she was happy being married to him.

I guess this is why I prefer Shepard/Thane to Irikah/Thane. It seems more natural to me--they're both warriors, both living the life of eradicating evil in a sense. They seem more fitted to each other than Irikah and Thane did. Then again we do have to remember Irikah's Thane and the Thane we meet in ME2 are different people.

So Irikah can have Young!Thane and Shepard can have BattleSleep!Thane. It all works out.

This statment sums it up perfectly, and I agree with everything you have said.

Ditto.