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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

@ JECSWU, I only paid attention to that poll because Garrus won it And I am happy to see there is little Garrus hate.

I'm afraid I'm not artistic either hanar05. I'm more of the writing kinda girl. If you really insist, and if I really put my mind to it, then I may just be able to draw something vaguely resembling a stick man...

And Sable, it's nice that ME2 has some kinda stable character, but I'm afraid I still think he is boring. You can have a sensible, sane character with some depth of character to him.

I am surprised at the amount of people who dislike Thane however, some express their opinions on other threads, and I was very confused. How can you not like an assassin draped in leather?

[JECWSU]

Maybe they will do a better job with Jacob in ME3. The reasons people give for disliking Thane don't always make much sense to me.

Modifié par JECWSU, 23 novembre 2010 - 10:53 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, I think people just dislike Thane to deviate from the norm. I've heard 'emo' being slung around. Probably just kids who think that anyone is an emo. I've also heard that Thane is only put into ME2 to be the 'cool character.' And that is why they dislike him. It is all silly, and most of the time, they have absolutely no evidence to support their opinions on...

[JECWSU]

People say they dislike him because he's the cool character. That's a new one. The hate could be worse. It's pretty bad for characters like Jacob,Kaidan, and Ashley. Even though Tali is popular she aslo gets a lot of hate too.

[Tentura]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I really, really liked Jacob this playthrough; he's grown on me a lot.  Never a romance option for me--poor guy gets friendzoned so hard.  But Jacob is sane, reasonable, and stable--traits that no one else on the Normandy seems to possess.  It's easy to undervalue having someone on your ship who isn't crazy, but I came to really appreciate the fact that Jacob always had his head screwed on the right way, even if he did have his biases.

I have to say I agree with this wholeheartedly.  Disclaimer: I could not bring myself to finish the Jacob romance, either, but I've seen it on youtube.  But that didn't make me dislike him as just a squaddie/friend.  As soon as I met him, I really appreciated how he was straight with me.  He was just real.  No messing around - he's honest, and also in-touch with others around him (like when he asks Shep how she's dealing with being brought back to life).

I hadn't thought of it as him being 'sane,' but that fits well.  You can tell he still sees her as a person, a fellow soldier - not a science project (like I felt Miranda was at first - she took a lot time for me to trust).  Even when he went all snarky on Thane, I felt like it made sense... and I felt like he was the kind of guy who'd think about it and apologize later (although Bio didn't add that into his lines.)  I like him in much the way I like Ash.

But... he's still friendzoned like nobody's business.  I think it's definitely more because of Shep's lines and delivery than his though, poor man.  Shepard to Jacob: "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit."  *throws up*

Edit: back on topic... I have never really understood the Thane hate.  I can understand people's reasons for not choosing to romance him, but to hate him?  I just don't get it.  But then, I don't hate any of the ME companions.  The thing that irritates me: 'Emo' =/= being in touch with your emotions, and being willing to express them.  Come on, people.

Modifié par Tentura, 23 novembre 2010 - 04:44 .

[JECWSU]

Tentura wrote...


Edit: back on topic... I have never really understood the Thane hate.  I can understand people's reasons for not choosing to romance him, but to hate him?  I just don't get it.  But then, I don't hate any of the ME companions.  The thing that irritates me: 'Emo' =/= being in touch with your emotions, and being willing to express them.  Come on, people.

I don't get it either. I like most characters except maybe Ashley. Event though I don't like her I wouldn't say I hate her. There is nothing wrong with being in touch with your emotions. Is that really the best they can come up with.

[JECWSU]

hanar05 wrote...



One week remains!!
Get your Shepards ready!

Unfortunately I am terrible at drawing. This looks really nice. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, femshep practically rapes Jacob. Whereas a male Shepard never does that to Miranda... Not fun when you just wanna talk and she leans on the counter and does THAT line. Pfft!

I guess Jacob is the only sane guy, but I still think that a lot more could be done with his character. I did laugh when I saw him with just 1 vote though!

Yeah, in my experience, emos are the kids who have a decent life, but they want to make out as if the world is against them and they get depressed and stuff. In short, emos are attention seekers. And Thane is anything but. He is quite shy, and even admits that he doesn't really talk to the rest of the crew much. He is nothing like an emo, so it kinda annoys me when people hurl that comment around with nothing to back them up whatsoever... A bit like those people who say that Garrus is 'dull' just because he is the popular character and they want a different opinion.

[ravenimage]

Delivery of Shep's lines to Jacob was just weird. 

Frankly I don't understand how anyone can "hate" any character in the BioWare universe. Sure, you have your annoying characters -- take Queen Anora, for instance -- but they're very well developed people and they all add a personal flavor to the story. 

The thing about these characters is that you can't judge them based on first impressions. Their personalities aren't that shallow. Every great  story has a group of people with deep-seated personal issues who miraculously come together to combat a greater evil. That is one of the core elements of a sci-fi and / or fantasy adventure. Admittedly when I met Thane for the first time in ME2, I could instantly point out that he was the "cool, emotionless guy" on the ship. But combining that with a terminal disease, his failed family life, his very alien spirituality, and his attempts not to save himself, but his estranged son felt very real to me. You'd be emo, too, if your life was in the ****ter like Thane's -- if you spent your whole life without the people who loved you and you realized you're going to die alone and forgotten. You'd be emo, too, if you came to terms with that, and then you suddenly find that someone does care for you... and now it feels cruel to die. Thane is in a very hard place. If I were in his shoes, I might be sobbing like a baby. But he keeps his burden to himself and tries to enjoy the ride for as long as he can. He's far more optimistic than any of those self-righteous pansies who call him emo would ever be in that kind of situation. 

Modifié par ravenimage, 23 novembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Raven! You got it spot on girl! Tell that to the kids who call Thane an emo and tell them to put it in their pipes and smoke it!

[Tentura]

ravenimage wrote...
!!!<<<self-righteous pansies>>>!!!

You tell 'em girl!!!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Love it!!!!!!!!!

[ravenimage]

LOL I love you guys. Thanks.

[JECWSU]

ravenimage wrote...

Delivery of Shep's lines to Jacob was just weird. 

Frankly I don't understand how anyone can "hate" any character in the BioWare universe. Sure, you have your annoying characters -- take Queen Anora, for instance -- but they're very well developed people and they all add a personal flavor to the story. 

The thing about these characters is that you can't judge them based on first impressions. Their personalities aren't that shallow. Every great  story has a group of people with deep-seated personal issues who miraculously come together to combat a greater evil. That is one of the core elements of a sci-fi and / or fantasy adventure. Admittedly when I met Thane for the first time in ME2, I could instantly point out that he was the "cool, emotionless guy" on the ship. But combining that with a terminal disease, his failed family life, his very alien spirituality, and his attempts not to save himself, but his estranged son felt very real to me. You'd be emo, too, if your life was in the ****ter like Thane's -- if you spent your whole life without the people who loved you and you realized you're going to die alone and forgotten. You'd be emo, too, if you came to terms with that, and then you suddenly find that someone does care for you... and now it feels cruel to die. Thane is in a very hard place. If I were in his shoes, I might be sobbing like a baby. But he keeps his burden to himself and tries to enjoy the ride for as long as he can. He's far more optimistic than any of those self-righteous pansies who call him emo would ever be in that kind of situation. 

Perfectly stated.

Most of these people don't understand or even try to understand him.

Modifié par JECWSU, 23 novembre 2010 - 10:14 .

[ravenimage]

Yup. I learned my lesson about underestimating party companions in a BioWare game the hard way. Now I aim to get to know all of them when I play. Thane is more interesting than people give him credit for. Jacob, on the other hand... needs work. He was interesting in the comics -- what happened?

[Collider]

ravenimage wrote...

Yup. I learned my lesson about underestimating party companions in a BioWare game the hard way. Now I aim to get to know all of them when I play. Thane is more interesting than people give him credit for. Jacob, on the other hand... needs work. He was interesting in the comics -- what happened?

My response.

I also agree that Thane is sometimes dismissed way too fast. Most characters are, in one way or another.

The claim that Thane is emo is rather strange to me. Thane is among the most stoic characters in the games. He's brooding, but not "emo." He is a somewhat "dark" character, but he doesn't complain or dwell on things that I consider to be trivial.

[ravenimage]

Collider wrote...

My response.

You make a good point about Jacob. There isn't a balance. 

Collider wrote...

I also agree that Thane is sometimes dismissed way too fast. Most characters are, in one way or another. 

The claim that Thane is emo is rather strange to me. Thane is among the most stoic characters in the games. He's brooding, but not "emo." He is a somewhat "dark" character, but he doesn't complain or dwell on things that I consider to be trivial. 

The word "emo" is tossed around too loosely about people. It started out as a label for a musical genre. Now desensitized pre-teens use it whenever somebody confuses them with feelings. 

Thane is very stoic. The only time he remotely showed emotion, that I remember, was when he talked to his son and in Shepard's cabin, where he cried. Other than that, his personality demanded no sympathy from the player. He kept his problems to himself. If he was asked, he was honest about them. No more, no less.

Modifié par ravenimage, 24 novembre 2010 - 02:21 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I agree, considering what he has been through, he actually hides his emotions a lot! I guess that is to with his philosophy of being a weapon... Yeah, people are called emos a lot now, even I get called an emo in the street occasionally if I'm wearing an iron maiden t shirt and cuz I have dark purple hair. They have nothing to support their claims whatsoever...

[JECWSU]

Most people probably would have fallen apart if they had gone through everything that Thane has been through.



The people who say that about Thane don't understand him. They don't want to even try. I have to wonder if they have even talked to him at all.

[ravenimage]

Probably not. I had a friend who hated Jack and he played a biotic, so he never talked to her below deck or brought her along on missions. He just assumed she was an obnoxious ex-con and never bothered to scratch under the surface. I told him that unfortunately, that means he missed out on one of the great parts of the game. You do that when you ignore characters. You miss out.

[JECWSU]

It is very unfortunate that some people don't bother to get to know these characters. They never really bothered to talk to Thane. They watched it on youtube or they just heard about it. If you talk to him and you still don't like him that's one thing, but if you never even bothered to try then you really are missing out on a great character.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I love the mass effect series and all the characters, and I always talk to all the squaddies and listen to all their conversations, even the ones that aren't exactly my favourites (Jacob and Miranda.) But you have to talk to them to get the full experience.

These people who never talked to Thane and don't like them would have only seen him on the recruitment mission, and they were just jealous of his neck snapping action and his leathery apparel

[JECWSU]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I love the mass effect series and all the characters, and I always talk to all the squaddies and listen to all their conversations, even the ones that aren't exactly my favourites (Jacob and Miranda.) But you have to talk to them to get the full experience.
These people who never talked to Thane and don't like them would have only seen him on the recruitment mission, and they were just jealous of his neck snapping action and his leathery apparel

I agree that if you want the complete experience you should talk to them, and I have talked to everyone.  Of course they are jealous. I once read a comment where someone said he wears those clothes just for attention.

Modifié par JECWSU, 24 novembre 2010 - 09:13 .

[ravenimage]

 Bahahaha. Brilliant.

I'm sure there was some marketing value behind Thane's attire / personality -- just like there was for Miranda and her compellingly revealing outfit. Thane was, after all, designed for attracting female players (congratulations, BioWare -- you've succeeded). So yes, it's there in some part to grab your attention, but it amazes me when those people act jealous over an NPC. 

Of course, it doesn't help when all the ladies fawn over Thane and all those poor real boys can't compare. ;P

[Hedgepath]

Delayed response again, sorry. Tasha/raven, thx & OK.........Back to current topic, Jacob is more emo than Thane-he only answers questions indirectly, provides little additional info, usually has a different opinion than the majority, and feels free to express those, all with that 'chip on his shoulder" attitude. Not to mention, that weird long torso, and that in ALL my playthroughs, he's the weakest team member, so I never take him with me on missions (except his loyalty one), once I get ANYone else.....imo



As for Thane & emo, I agree with all that's been said here to contradict that. Except, I never thought he was the "emotionless" one of the crew, based on what he said in the Dantius Tower when Shep 1st met him. But then, that's my Psych profiling kickin' in again. Thane has an accurate grasp of his thoughts and feelings as it relates to self awareness, and with Siha's help. he's learning it's okay to express them out loud.. If I were the Normandy's counselor, I'd be more worried about Jacob's issues and his response to them. Yeah, I know, not to "gray area" that Jacob's my least fav character, right????