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[JECWSU]

Tentura wrote...

I had wondered about all this myself, too.  I mean, sure... drell do apparently see certain things differently from humans.  But, I am guessing killing is still viewed in a negative light.  After all, Irikah did try to stop Thane from taking his mark that one time.  Why would she do that if she didn't feel it was morally wrong?  I think it is feasible that his parents didn't know what he was training to become.  Poor little Thane... no say in his future.

The drell do see some things differently, but I agree they probably do view killing in a negative way.Thats why Thane tries so hard to stop his son from following in his footsteps. He doesn't want that life for his son.  He even says to Kolyat during his loyalty mission that the hanar began to train him when he was six, and he didn't know any better.  Maybe his parents didn't know. I wonder if they had known would they have still handed him over.

[TheNexus]

Did anyone else find it a little strange that Thane wasn't an Infiltrator like Kasumi?

[AdmiralCheez]

TheNexus wrote...

Did anyone else find it a little strange that Thane wasn't an Infiltrator like Kasumi?

YOU DARE QUESTION THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS BIOTIC SNIPERY?

Besides, Legion and Garrus were also infiltrators.  Don't need a third of your crew to be the same class.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think Thane is more of a sniper Vanguard.

[mnomaha]

ravenimage wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

JECWSU wrote...
Thane really didn't have a choice in the matter. He was only six so his parents are the ones who had to agree to this. I do wonder what would happen if someone did refuse, and I wonder if his parents knew what they were going to train him for.

That bothers me more than anything else--the lack of consent on Thane's part.  Couldn't they at least wait until the kid's sixteen or so and old enough to understand what's happening to him?  I understand it's a honor, but the fact that an impressionable kid can be handed over by his parents before the age of consent is just plain f-ing creepy.  And not ok.

I mean, arguably, Earthborn Shep's in the same position--Earthborn Shep learned to kill people not by voluntarily joining the Alliance, but due to the circumstances of his/her upbringing.  But that was a case of where Shep grew up, not someone explicitly turning her into an assassin before she even knew what it meant to take someone else's life.

It's easier to train a small child than one that's grown enough to make his own decisions. They needed him, preferably at an age he could be easily molded. Terrible, but necessary to them.

Two parts to this:

Did his parents know? As a parent myself, I sure the hell wouldn't just up and give my kid away, especially blindly. It may be an honour, but still, that's my CHILD.

And need is the key word. The Hanar *need* the Drell to do the things they cannot do themselves. So who is to say they rescued them out of the goodness of their little jelly hearts. Maybe they did, we'll never know, but it's just really convenient that Thane has known about his Keprals for a while now, research has been going for a couple years (i think), but someone has to have known of this earlier. Thane certainly isn't the first Drell to contract it or they wouldn't be doing the research. Adapting it is all fine and dandy, but what about the ones currently suffering.

Oh, grrr, I'm rambling.

[mnomaha]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

TheNexus wrote...

Did anyone else find it a little strange that Thane wasn't an Infiltrator like Kasumi?

YOU DARE QUESTION THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS BIOTIC SNIPERY?

Besides, Legion and Garrus were also infiltrators.  Don't need a third of your crew to be the same class.

Ohhh, caps lock! LOL

I personally think it would have been cool for Thane to have cloak and shadow strike powers. But then again, every time I play with Kasumi, she complains that I'm shooting her. Well, geez, it's not like I know where she disappeared to. Hmm, maybe he shouldn't have those powers. I would feel so guilty for shooting him all the time.

[AdmiralCheez]

mnomaha wrote...

Ohhh, caps lock! LOL

Oh yeah.  Fear me.

I personally think it would have been cool for Thane to have cloak and shadow strike powers. But then again, every time I play with Kasumi, she complains that I'm shooting her. Well, geez, it's not like I know where she disappeared to. Hmm, maybe he shouldn't have those powers. I would feel so guilty for shooting him all the time.

Shadow Strike is absurdly powerful, to the point where it's approaching "broken" status.  Therefore, it's best if it's only on one character, specifically one that you pay money for.  Besides, if Kasumi wasn't the only one that could do it, I probably wouldn't bring here anywhere.

Personally, I'm glad Thane has Warp instead.  As I'm currently playing a vanguard, it means I get to play Biotic Skeet with him.

[mnomaha]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Oh yeah.  Fear me.

giggle, I got an immediate vision of a volus biotic god.

Shadow Strike is absurdly powerful, to the point where it's approaching "broken" status.  Therefore, it's best if it's only on one character, specifically one that you pay money for.  Besides, if Kasumi wasn't the only one that could do it, I probably wouldn't bring here anywhere.

Personally, I'm glad Thane has Warp instead.  As I'm currently playing a vanguard, it means I get to play Biotic Skeet with him.

I have to admit I rarely take her anywhere. I should actually do more missions with her, especially if her Shadow Strike is that powerful. Is she any good on Horizon?

[AdmiralCheez]

mnomaha wrote...

giggle, I got an immediate vision of a volus biotic god.

My mighty tornado of CAPSLOCK shall destroy all before me like a... *wheeze* mighty tornado!

I have to admit I rarely take her anywhere. I should actually do more missions with her, especially if her Shadow Strike is that powerful. Is she any good on Horizon?

Since you're fighting husks, collectors, scions, and a big ol' nasty praetorian, I don't think so.  Kasumi really shines against mercs, though.  Take her on urban missions.  However, as I've never actually taken her to Horizon, you are welcome to try.  Shadow Strike works against everything.  You might be able to use her to take out that one pesky collector assassin who keeps ducking down before you can shoot him.

It sucks that you can't get Thane before doing Horizon, as collectors hate him, and throw field makes short work of husks (once they've lost their armor, anyway).

[ravenimage]

mnomaha wrote...

Two parts to this:

Did his parents know? As a parent myself, I sure the hell wouldn't just up and give my kid away, especially blindly. It may be an honour, but still, that's my CHILD.

And need is the key word. The Hanar *need* the Drell to do the things they cannot do themselves. So who is to say they rescued them out of the goodness of their little jelly hearts. Maybe they did, we'll never know, but it's just really convenient that Thane has known about his Keprals for a while now, research has been going for a couple years (i think), but someone has to have known of this earlier. Thane certainly isn't the first Drell to contract it or they wouldn't be doing the research. Adapting it is all fine and dandy, but what about the ones currently suffering.

Oh, grrr, I'm rambling.

That is the question. Thane does sort of imply that his parents knew -- or he's avoiding the subject when Shep asks "What did your parents think of all this?" or something like that. All he confessed was that it was an honor for his family. 

As for kepral's, diseases have been around for centuries that we still don't have cures for. 

AND as for people wondering if Kasumi is useful, YES. I play an infiltrator and it is extremely satisfying when Kasumi and I cloak together, and beat the crap out of people from behind. (If I can't shoot my target I usually sneak up behind and melee them). Combine us cloakers with Thane's amazing biotics and good sniper positions, and you're golden.

[JECWSU]

We may never know how much his parents knew about what they were going to use him for. I would like to believe that they didn't have a clue, but then maybe they did. Thane doesn't really tell you. All he says is that it was an honor for his family to be chosen.

Modifié par JECWSU, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:00 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

You know, I have always wondered what Thane's EXACT class is. And I'll explain why, in the suicide mission, he can be chosen to be the tech specialist, this implies that he has some tech ability, also, he is proficient in snipers and submachine guns, like an infiltrator, and unlike a vanguard (even though he has no tech special abilities.) Obviously, he has biotic abilties, and can be chosen as the biotic specialist in the suicide mission (but don't use Thane, someone may be taken away by the bees!)And finally, he has combat abilties, as his bonus ability is shredder ammo. If it was ME1, then he may be that awesome, that he has a blue line, a red line and a (tan?) line. I say this because vanguards don't have warp, and he can be chosen as a tech specialist. Always makes me wonder, if he is all three! Thane is that good.

[JECWSU]

What is his exact class? Does anybody know?

[ravenimage]

No one but Shep really gets a class in ME2, do they? I think Thane's class would just be... Assassin. In ME1, Liara was a Scientist. Tali was a Machinist. These were classes inaccessible to Shepard.



In ME2, the infiltrator subclasses were Agent and Assassin. So, Thane is... an Assassin.

[Sable Rhapsody]

ravenimage wrote...

It's easier to train a small child than one that's grown enough to make his own decisions. They needed him, preferably at an age he could be easily molded. Terrible, but necessary to them.

It's also easier to subtly influence a child's behavior, views, morals, etc. than it is to mold those of an adult.  Surely I'm not the only one who finds all this more than a little creepy?

Besides, of COURSE Thane thinks of it as an honor.  Of course he's offended if Shep calls out the hanar.  He's been trained by them since age six, they're not going to create agents who won't take their side.  I'm not saying the hanar actively brainwashed him or anything, but six year olds of any species have to be impressionable.  Whatever Thane says about the hanar is going to be highly biased in their favor.

And yes, there are diseases that have been around for centuries for which we have no cure.  But the key difference between our situation and that of the hanar is technology.  They've had space-flight technology for eight centuries.  Eight centuries of technology that are currently wildly beyond our 21st century technology.  With our current technology over the last 50 years or so, we've been able to eradicate one disease, vaccinate against many others, and cure bacterial infections that have plagued us for centuries.  The hanar have had technology vastly more advanced than that for eight centuries and still have no cure?

BTW, it's not that I don't like the hanar.  But I do think that Thane's opinions of them are suspect in their favor, and they've got to be farther along on Keprals than he thinks they are.  Right?  PWEASE? 

[ravenimage]

 I agree completely.

It is creepy they train children to kill people. Heck, they do it in real life in some places. And the hanar are suspicious. Not only do they possess advanced technology but they seem to be one of the few races to have had direct contact with the Protheans, if the whole message about how the Enkindlers gave them speech is true. I wouldn't doubt there's some malice to be found among the hanar in spite of their excessive politeness. At the same time, it's difficult to see them as anything but excessively polite, so we'll have to see come ME3 what BioWare has up their plot-twisting sleeves. Maybe -- and hopefully -- we'll even get to visit Kahje and see firsthand what's really goin' on.

I want to see lady drell too, damn it.

:>

Modifié par ravenimage, 05 décembre 2010 - 10:23 .

[JECWSU]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

It's also easier to subtly influence a child's behavior, views, morals, etc. than it is to mold those of an adult.  Surely I'm not the only one who finds all this more than a little creepy?

Besides, of COURSE Thane thinks of it as an honor.  Of course he's offended if Shep calls out the hanar.  He's been trained by them since age six, they're not going to create agents who won't take their side.  I'm not saying the hanar actively brainwashed him or anything, but six year olds of any species have to be impressionable.  Whatever Thane says about the hanar is going to be highly biased in their favor.

And yes, there are diseases that have been around for centuries for which we have no cure.  But the key difference between our situation and that of the hanar is technology.  They've had space-flight technology for eight centuries.  Eight centuries of technology that are currently wildly beyond our 21st century technology.  With our current technology over the last 50 years or so, we've been able to eradicate one disease, vaccinate against many others, and cure bacterial infections that have plagued us for centuries.  The hanar have had technology vastly more advanced than that for eight centuries and still have no cure?

BTW, it's not that I don't like the hanar.  But I do think that Thane's opinions of them are suspect in their favor, and they've got to be farther along on Keprals than he thinks they are.  Right?  PWEASE? 

You make some very good points in your statment. I wouldn't be to surprised if we found out that the hanar are not who they pretend to be.  I really don't know why they are not closer to finding a cure  or some kind of treatment. Maybe they are close but Thane hasn't really checked on it recently. Maybe they have only made it a priority in recent years.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

The hanar need to make a bigger appearance in ME3 considering how little we know about them and how elusive they are... They are very scientifically advanced and have been around for a while, they seem very sneaky, and yet they aren't one of the council races, but yet still have their own client race of the drell... Very suspicious. They shall cure Thane. Had an idea just now for a signature:

'I used to be part of the community, now I'm just drellicking!'

XD

[ravenimage]

That is a very good theory. I hadn't considered it. He is humane in his profession, because the only time he's felt guilt was when he tortured / prolonged the death of his wife's murderers, which he was taught not to do.



He always talks about how his body was "blessed" with the gift to take life and honed into an assassin, which could confirm everyone's theory that his parents didn't know what Thane would be used for. He could have been one of many children chosen.



Actually, it almost reminds me of River Tam in Firefly when she was chosen, among many children, to attend a school for prodigies that ended up being a horror house of lab experiments, but in this case Thane would have been cared for and protected by the hanar training him.



@Tasha, awesome. I might just use that in my sig. ;>

[ravenimage]

That is a very good theory. I hadn't considered it. He is humane in his profession, because the only time he's felt guilt was when he tortured / prolonged the death of his wife's murderers, which he was taught not to do.



He always talks about how his body was "blessed" with the gift to take life and honed into an assassin, which could confirm everyone's theory that his parents didn't know what Thane would be used for. He could have been one of many children chosen.



Actually, it almost reminds me of River Tam in Firefly when she was chosen, among many children, to attend a school for prodigies that ended up being a horror house of lab experiments, but in this case Thane would have been cared for and protected by the hanar training him.



@Tasha, awesome. I might just use that in my sig. ;>

[mnomaha]

Tasha:



"The hanar need to make a bigger appearance in ME3 considering how little we know about them and how elusive they are... They are very scientifically advanced and have been around for a while, they seem very sneaky, and yet they aren't one of the council races, but yet still have their own client race of the drell... Very suspicious. They shall cure Thane. Had an idea just now for a signature:



'I used to be part of the community, now I'm just drellicking!' "



If they had been given speech by the Proteans, how did they escape the last reaper cycle? Maybe they're like the Keepers on the citadel. Waiting and watching with their jelly super-senses.



Can I really use that line in my sig? I really will if you say I can.



And what the hell is wrong with the forum this morning. Grrr, I always browse the forum with my morning coffee and I couldn't get on. Now I can't use the standard form. and it's MONDAY. Ugh!

[ravenimage]

@Gnas

In Nassana's office he gives Shepard and co. an annoyed glare and on his loyalty mission if you question his use of children acting as spies, he grabs Mouse and threatens him. But yeah, I don't think he ever gets mad or overly excited. He's stern, but nothing like say, Jack. Drell temperament in general is described as stoic, if I remember correctly. And this is true in all three that we meet. Even while angry, Kolyat remained very calm with his father's presence. After two years of brutal torture, Feron seemed very calm and collected -- if a bit disturbed. 

Modifié par ravenimage, 05 décembre 2010 - 08:18 .

[ravenimage]

mnomaha wrote...

And what the hell is wrong with the forum this morning. Grrr, I always browse the forum with my morning coffee and I couldn't get on. Now I can't use the standard form. and it's MONDAY. Ugh!

Glad I'm not the only one!

Double-post, again. Sorry.