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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I  I'm a big fan of Earn Your Happy Ending a la DA:O; there should be a way you can get around a tragic ending, but it shouldn't be handed to you "for free," as it were.  It cheapens the whole thing; happy endings are the best when you really feel like the characters earned it.


What price your Shepard is willing to pay for the life of Thane? How far would you go? Betrayal, death squad member, destruction, or both? * demonic giggles *;)

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Depends. Who am I betraying / how is the squad member dying / what am I destroying? Sadly I'd still go for the Paragon action, regardless. Even if it meant not curing Thane. Galactic stability and the well-being of the many is more important than the one.

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My Shep would most likely be the same. *insert obligatory Spock quote here* The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one. XD

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Tinve wrote...

What price your Shepard is willing to pay for the life of Thane? How far would you go? Betrayal, death squad member, destruction, or both? * demonic giggles *;)


Well, clearly you and David Gaider both like living off the tears of others, no? :D

Depends on the Shep.  My Paragade is a ruthless utilitarian to the last; have to say Thane's chances are pretty poor with her.  My Renegon is kind of funny.  He's a good guy--kind of a jerk, but a fundamentally good dude.  He thinks of his team like his family.  So Thane's chances are probably better with him.  But there's still a whole list of things he won't do, all of which are included in your list ;)

In DA:O, I don't think it was ever so bleak--it was never about murder or betrayal, it was more about swallowing your pride and being selfish.  My Warden gave the throne to Anora despite disliking her and performed the Dark Ritual.  She wasn't thrilled with Anora on the throne, and she certainly didn't relish the thought of Alistair sleeping with her best friend.  She probably knew that Morrigan's motives were murky, and chose to ignore that to save her own life and Alistair's.  

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That is very interesting.  I thought choosing that optoin didn't affect the romance. If you don't get the letter then what does that mean?


Maybe the game doesn't recognize the romance? Anyone know if you can call the LI up to Shep's cabin after the SM if you turned them down? I watched the "rejection" on youtube and it's not as bad as I expected.

Shepard: It's pre-combat jitters. It's been a long time since you had anything to lose. We'll be there for eachother. That's the best we can do.
Thane:Yes, of course, you're right. You must be feeling the same thing. *turns away* I thought I'd moved beyond such things. It seems there's always more to learn. Thank you, Siha.

Aside from sounding incredibly hot (dat voice) does anyone kind of get the impression he's dissapointed by Shepard's answer? There's just something about his voice and the way he turns away. If there's a story-based reason for why people who choose that option don't get the letter maybe he ends up feeling foolish for letting himself get swept up in his emotions and ends up deleting it? Hmmmm. I'm thinking it's a glitch and the game just isn't registering the relationship though.

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What price is your Shepard willing to pay for the life of Thane? How far would you go? Betrayal, death squad member, destruction, or both? * demonic giggles *{smilie}


My Shepard would go pretty far to save him but I don't think Thane would appreciate her sacrificing an entire colony just to get him his cure, for example. Nor would it feel right to her to do such a thing. But honestly? It depends. Like, if the choice comes down to something like Shepard having to pour in resources to cure the genophage or Kepral's then the Krogan are out of luck. My Shep would invest in the cure for Kepral's. She reserves the right to be a little selfish but I couldn't really say one way or another until presented with the choice and all it entails.

"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few" is not always black and white. The Bring Down the Sky DLC from ME1 presented a difficult choice. Let Balak go and save the hostages. Or kill/arrest Balak and let the hostages die. On the one hand, you might ultimately be saving more lives killing/arresting him because if you let him get away there's the huge chance he'd try something like that again and threaten the lives of even more people. If you let him go, you save the hostages but at what cost?  It's a very morally gray choice and one I struggle with everytime I replay it. I've done it both ways and I always feel awful either way I play it. There's no clear "right" answer, in my opinion.

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Juliaxo wrote...

My Shepard would go pretty far to save him but I don't think Thane would appreciate her sacrificing an entire colony just to get him his cure, for example. 


This.  I don't think Thane or any LI for that matter, even Jack, would be comfortable with Shep compromising who s/he is in order to save them.  

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Juliaxo wrote...

My Shepard would go pretty far to save him but I don't think Thane would appreciate her sacrificing an entire colony just to get him his cure, for example. 


This.  I don't think Thane or any LI for that matter, even Jack, would be comfortable with Shep compromising who s/he is in order to save them.  


Yeah I agree with this as well. Thane would not approve of Shepard going against who she is to save him. Which is the person he fell in love with in the first place.

However if Shepard is given the option to cure Thane, in a moral grey area kinda way. A cure would not only save Thane, but perhaps thousands of other drell. Making it more justifiable.

I like how Dragon Age did it, to keep for example Alistair you had to make sacrifices. But not once you couldnt live with I think. I like my happy endings, and the people that love tragic endings got that as well. Even if some found DA endings bittersweet I found them emotionally enganging and entertaining. However bittersweet and pure tragedy are very far apart. And I hate tragic endings

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I like how Dragon Age did it, to keep for example Alistair you had to make sacrifices. But not once you couldnt live with I think. I like my happy endings, and the people that love tragic endings got that as well. Even if some found DA endings bittersweet I found them emotionally enganging and entertaining. However bittersweet and pure tragedy are very far apart. And I hate tragic endings


And better yet, the game tipped you off.  Nasty surprises make the player upset, but pretty much everything is lampshaded early on, and there is usually a way out if you're willing to compromise.  Morrigan warns you when you pursue her romance. Alistair's heritage gets brought up by himself, his sister, even Wynne as a potential tragic plot point.  The whole "Wardens are ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY" thing is ominously present and unexplained throughout the plot until Riordan shows up.

And honestly, if you weren't willing to make the sacrifices, you shouldn't be surprised at how f-ed up the ending can become.  It's why there are a lot of players who are happy with the Ultimate Sacrifice ending rather than upset--they chose tragedy, and they got exactly what they deserved.

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I really loved what they did with DA:O endings.

For me it made the story all more compelling. I'm of a mind that to get what you desire you need to make sacrifices, even if little ones.



I don't play many videogames, but of the ones I have played, I felt that DA:O was the first one treating me like an adult. I mean, most games are rated mature just because of violence, sex, drugs, etc. not because the storyline had implications that only a more or less mature person would appreciate ( I'm not talking about age here. I've met teenagers more mature than people in their 30's... )



So if curing Thane, or any other choice in ME3, falls into some kind of moral grey area, I will really appreciate it.

Though I feel that, overall, ME series is more lighthearted than DA:O, so I doubt we will see anything like it regarding subplots...

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

What price your Shepard is willing to pay for the life of Thane? How far would you go? Betrayal, death squad member, destruction, or both? * demonic giggles *;)


I would sacrifice everyone except those original members from ME 1. Well, I'd sacrifice Kaidan. :D Everyone else is free to go. I would hold the galaxy hostage. I would sell out who ever had the highest price. In other words, name it and I will consider it. :devil:

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Juliaxo wrote...

JECWSU wrote...
That is very interesting.  I thought choosing that optoin didn't affect the romance. If you don't get the letter then what does that mean?


Maybe the game doesn't recognize the romance? Anyone know if you can call the LI up to Shep's cabin after the SM if you turned them down? I watched the "rejection" on youtube and it's not as bad as I expected.

Shepard: It's pre-combat jitters. It's been a long time since you had anything to lose. We'll be there for eachother. That's the best we can do.
Thane:Yes, of course, you're right. You must be feeling the same thing. *turns away* I thought I'd moved beyond such things. It seems there's always more to learn. Thank you, Siha.

Aside from sounding incredibly hot (dat voice) does anyone kind of get the impression he's dissapointed by Shepard's answer? There's just something about his voice and the way he turns away. If there's a story-based reason for why people who choose that option don't get the letter maybe he ends up feeling foolish for letting himself get swept up in his emotions and ends up deleting it? Hmmmm. I'm thinking it's a glitch and the game just isn't registering the relationship though.


I think he is a little dissapointed in Shepards reaction. He probably does feel foolish. He comes to you upset and emotional and that's all Shepard can say. I don't think that's what he was looking for or what he needs. I have never chosen it, but I have seen it on youtube and it isn't that bad. Some of the other rejections like Garrus or Jacks are pretty bad. I just was wanted to know if it was a glitch that you don't get the letter or does that mean the romance is over.

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Gnas wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

What price your Shepard is willing to pay for the life of Thane? How far would you go? Betrayal, death squad member, destruction, or both? * demonic giggles *;)


I would sacrifice everyone except those original members from ME 1. Well, I'd sacrifice Kaidan. :D Everyone else is free to go. I would hold the galaxy hostage. I would sell out who ever had the highest price. In other words, name it and I will consider it. :devil:


That's pretty hard core, but I do like the way you think.Posted Image

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@JEC I say, if you're going to be a crazed fangirl, might as well go all the way! LOL

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Why I am picturing a crazed Shepard holding the council hostage or draining Kahje of water if she doesnt get her way. The jellyfish will know true power!hehe

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JECWSU wrote...

I think he is a little dissapointed in Shepards reaction. He probably does feel foolish. He comes to you upset and emotional and that's all Shepard can say. I don't think that's what he was looking for or what he needs. I have never chosen it, but I have seen it on youtube and it isn't that bad. Some of the other rejections like Garrus or Jacks are pretty bad. I just was wanted to know if it was a glitch that you don't get the letter or does that mean the romance is over.


I think Shepard's rejection of Thane is a bit softer. She doesn't downplay Thane's feelings for her, and it is a breakup of compassion. I saw the rejection of Garrus on youtube and I physically cringed...Posted Image
I think that was so different because of all the barriers between them, but despite it all, Garrus Posted Image still went out of his comfort zone to pursue the relationship. It took a lot of guts to go into 'the captain's quarters.' And then she rejects him... Ouch! How could anyone ever do that!! Posted Image

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As for sacrificing... For Thane, I shall quote Fable 3 and say that I would choose the needs of many rather than the needs of a few. Jacob, Miranda, Kaidan, Grunt and Zaeed I wouldn't mind sacrificing... (You would think I hate humanity or something with this comment... Bioware has made me hate humans and become a xenophile... Hmm...)
For Garrus however, the galaxy can get blown to smithereens!!!!! Posted Image If it is just me and him in our Normandy loveboat then I will be happy. Muhahahaha! Posted Image

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Posted Image

I was looking through some of the screenshots of my shep, and came across this picture. My mind just went straight in the gutter:innocent:

Hope I did this right, never posted an image before.

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Gnas wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

What price your Shepard is willing to pay for the life of Thane? How far would you go? Betrayal, death squad member, destruction, or both? * demonic giggles *;)


I would sacrifice everyone except those original members from ME 1. Well, I'd sacrifice Kaidan. :D Everyone else is free to go. I would hold the galaxy hostage. I would sell out who ever had the highest price. In other words, name it and I will consider it. :devil:


Erm...just to clarify, that original post was Tinve's not mine :huh:  I'm not THAT evil :lol:

@Tash:  Yeah...Garrus is a different story for my FemShep, at least.  He's sort of become the core of her emotional life--no relationship is perfect, and one of their imperfections is the degree of emotional dependency.  That becomes a weird case: sure the needs of the many outweigh those of the few, but it's hard to draw the line when losing Garrus would send the galaxy's potential savior into an emotional tailspin.  That's not good either.

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Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I think Shepard's rejection of Thane is a bit softer. She doesn't downplay Thane's feelings for her, and it is a breakup of compassion. I saw the rejection of Garrus on youtube and I physically cringed...Posted Image
I think that was so different because of all the barriers between them, but despite it all, Garrus Posted Image still went out of his comfort zone to pursue the relationship. It took a lot of guts to go into 'the captain's quarters.' And then she rejects him... Ouch! How could anyone ever do that!! Posted Image


Thanes rejection isn't one of the worst. I could still never choose it. Jacks rejection might be one of the worst knowing everything she has gone through, and how hard it was for her to open up and learn to trust someone. I didn't like watiching the one for Garrus either. He's really hurt when after all that you decide you just want to stay friends. I can't see how anyone can look at any of these rejections and say that these romances don't mean anything.

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Thanes rejection isn't one of the worst. I could still never choose it. Jacks rejection might be one of the worst knowing everything she has gone through, and how hard it was for her to open up and learn to trust someone. I didn't like watiching the one for Garrus either. He's really hurt when after all that you decide you just want to stay friends. I can't see how anyone can look at any of these rejections and say that these romances don't mean anything.


I've never been able to watch Jack's.  Only read the dialogue, and that broke my heart.  I HAVE been able to watch Garrus's despite how sad it is--gives you an idea of just how bad Jack's is.  Even her detractors think it's a pretty dick move to turn her down like that.

Thane takes the rejection well because I think even if the Renegade dialogue option doesn't give him what he needs emotionally, he's more mature about it than say Jack or Garrus, and Shep does talk him down enough to calm him for the suicide mission.

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Garrus and Jack's rejections are by far the most "difficult" to watch.

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Garrus' rejection wasn't that bad to me. He just seemed to shrug it off. I know not everyone feels this way, but Garrus' romance as a whole did nothing for me. To each their own.

Scratch that. I was thinking the rejection before the romance scene. Not the romance scene rejection. Yeah, it's pretty painful to watch.

Also, attempting a playthrough of ME2 where I stay loyal to Liara. Taking all bets: how long can Raven resist visiting the life support deck?

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Gnas wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

What price your Shepard is willing to pay for the life of Thane? How far would you go? Betrayal, death squad member, destruction, or both? * demonic giggles *;)


I would sacrifice everyone except those original members from ME 1. Well, I'd sacrifice Kaidan. :D Everyone else is free to go. I would hold the galaxy hostage. I would sell out who ever had the highest price. In other words, name it and I will consider it. :devil:




I SUPPORT YOU!!! I would do the same exact thing for Thane....name it and if it saves him I will do it ....guaranteed!

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ravenimage wrote...

Garrus' rejection wasn't that bad to me. He just seemed to shrug it off. I know not everyone feels this way, but Garrus' romance as a whole did nothing for me. To each their own.

Scratch that. I was thinking the rejection before the romance scene. Not the romance scene rejection. Yeah, it's pretty painful to watch.

Also, attempting a playthrough of ME2 where I stay loyal to Liara. Taking all bets: how long can Raven resist visiting the life support deck?


If you manage your Shepard has more willpower than mine. She always caves after a while. He is to darn irresistable<3
I romanced Kaiden in the first one though, at least Liara is happy to see you, not angry. Kaiden didnt stand a chance after his little fit.

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Erm...just to clarify, that original post was Tinve's not mine :huh:  I'm not THAT evil :lol:


Oops! Sorry Sable. :blink: Got delete happy on that one. :D

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I SUPPORT YOU!!! I would do the same exact thing for Thane....name it and if it saves him I will do it ....guaranteed!


Woohoo!!! :o

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