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[Squeeze the Fish]

“Sometimes, I feel regret. Sometimes, I feel remorse. But most of the time, I feel nothing.”
 
Another possible explanation from the man drell himself.

Modifié par Squeeze the Fish, 07 janvier 2011 - 09:21 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Gnas wrote...

Since it's possible to do an evil act and feel no guilt then why would Thanes prayer be guilt based?

I thought it seemed that way.

I'm just not entirely sure if the prayer was for killing Nassana or being "too late".

[monima]

I see alot of people posting pictures on these forums from deviantart. Do you alwyas ask permission of the creator or do just add their name. Just wondering here

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Thane can't be wicked. I always thought he was God?

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

monimakitten wrote...

I see alot of people posting pictures on these forums from deviantart. Do you alwyas ask permission of the creator or do just add their name. Just wondering here

Mine are screenies, so I'm safe  I know louvette posts some of her stuff on here sometimes. But I don't post stuff because the artist deserve the appreciation that is there due.
As for dualism, I think fiery has a point, but I think the guilt is there for not killing Nassana earlier, and thus, preventing the deaths of the salarian workers. As opposed to feeling guilt for killing Nassana herself. (I have just done his RM you see.)

[monima]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

I see alot of people posting pictures on these forums from deviantart. Do you alwyas ask permission of the creator or do just add their name. Just wondering here

Mine are screenies, so I'm safe  I know louvette posts some of her stuff on here sometimes. But I don't post stuff because the artist deserve the appreciation that is there due.
As for dualism, I think fiery has a point, but I think the guilt is there for not killing Nassana earlier, and thus, preventing the deaths of the salarian workers. As opposed to feeling guilt for killing Nassana herself. (I have just done his RM you see.)

I agree I tend to be very careful, but I have noticed alot of people doing so. Not on this tread but in the forum in general. Just wondered if there was a general policy on such. I guess a link is good since it sends  you directly too the artists page

I also agree with you on the guilt thing,I always felt it was because he was to slow and many salarians were killed. He does what he does now to save the innocent after all

[ravenimage]

A lot of people argue that Thane contradicts himself by praying whenever he kills someone. That's part of what makes him unique - the argument value of his religion. At least I think so.



He never expressed guilt for killing Nassana. That's what we think initially when we meet him, but we later learn through regular dialogue with him that he's never felt any particular guilt for anyone he's killed. Most of the time, the people he kills deserve it (not that it justifies murder but still, he's a hitman, what do you want from the guy?)



And yes, occasionally he probably feels some guilt for the things he does. No sane person with emotion can go on forever without questioning themselves once in a while.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Thane gives evil eyes to those who post images of his likeness without the artists' consent...

[monima]

Well I am going to post a link to deviantart. I found this image there, and it really just breaks my heart.
I assume you experienced drellickers have seen it before, me being just the newbie here.However it really tugs at my heartstrings. Especially the first one with a young and innocent Thane:(

browse.deviantart.com/

[Juliaxo]

I LOVE that screencap of Thane being illuminated by the sunset. So pretty.



I agree with you guys. Thane says outright that he's praying for himself, not Nassana, I don't think he felt guilt over killing her. Prayer can be a form of seeking guidance, it's not always an expression of guilt. But if he felt guilt at all, it was for the salarians.



"Many innocents died today. I wasn't fast enough and they suffered. I must atone for that"



BTW, I hope you guys don't mind but I might use that drelllicking banner. It's awesome!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Course you can use it! Courtesy of gnas who made it after I nagged her about it
Experienced drellickers? I like that term... I wondered why I always seemed to be hallucinating... I will check out those pics now...

[mnomaha]

Ok, maybe I missed the point of the question. Mea culpa!

I agree with the others. I don't believe Thane feels any particular remorse about his contracts. I think he feels *something* about the Batarians he killed, but I don't know if it was guilt or remorse. He just mentions being taught to make a quick kill but he took his time with them.

I wonder if the Hanar think of him as a rogue since he no longer works for them and if they thought he would come back after Irikah was killed.

[mnomaha]

Juliaxo wrote...

I LOVE that screencap of Thane being illuminated by the sunset. So pretty.

I agree with you guys. Thane says outright that he's praying for himself, not Nassana, I don't think he felt guilt over killing her. Prayer can be a form of seeking guidance, it's not always an expression of guilt. But if he felt guilt at all, it was for the salarians.

"Many innocents died today. I wasn't fast enough and they suffered. I must atone for that"

BTW, I hope you guys don't mind but I might use that drelllicking banner. It's awesome!

I'm pretty sure the banner is for Drellickers use. The only way I'd not use it is if the mods told me I couldn't (or Gnas, cuz she made it), but go forth my fellow Thanite and banner at will.

[mnomaha]

monimakitten wrote...

I see alot of people posting pictures on these forums from deviantart. Do you alwyas ask permission of the creator or do just add their name. Just wondering here

I make sure the link is with the picture. I would hate to not give the artist their due credit for all their hard, wonderful work! But if I do forget, please know it is not intentional, it's just me being a braincase. Might be a case of too much Drellicking, if that is even possible.

I'm assuming that is okay, but someone more knowledgeable might have a different view.

[Juliaxo]

Thanks, guys! I'll use it proudly.

monimakitten wrote...

Well I am going to post a link to deviantart. I found this image there, and it really just breaks my heart.
I assume you experienced drellickers have seen it before, me being just the newbie here.However it really tugs at my heartstrings. Especially the first one with a young and innocent Thane:(

browse.deviantart.com/

Wow, that art is beautiful and so sad. I love how it's structured like snapshots of different points of his life. Thinking about Thane's past makes my heart hurt. I know it's considered an honor among his people but it just seems wrong to me to give your child away to that sort of service. He never had a choice. :/ Having lived it, it's not something he'd want for his own son. I just want to give Thane the biggest hug ever. He's had it really rough over the years.

[monima]

Little Thane just looks so hopefull not understanding what they are about to do to him.
I know they consider it an honour,I however think Thane would not have given Kolyat away like that. Knowing what he knows now, about the prize of such a bargain

Modifié par monimakitten, 07 janvier 2011 - 10:55 .

[mnomaha]

I know they consider it an honour, but I could never do it. But then again, I'm cronically suspicious of the jellies.

[JECWSU]

I couldn't do that no matter how much of an honor it may be.  Thane never says if he saw his parents again after that or if they knew what he was being trained for. At the same time he probably wouldn't be the person he is today had none of this happened to him. Thane has had a very difficult ,sad, and lonley life.

Modifié par JECWSU, 08 janvier 2011 - 12:35 .

[ravenimage]

Yeah, I don't know if Thane would have given away Kolyat. I mean, that was the point of his LM, right? To prevent Kolyat from going down that path?

Thane seems like a solid, well-balanced guy who knows both the joys of life and burden of duty. I can imagine he wanted to spare Kolyat that sort of burden, that is, taking "a lot of bad people out of the world." And naive Kolyat just didn't know what he was getting himself into.

Thane may have failed at family man, but a bad father he is not. At least, he turns out not to be.

Modifié par ravenimage, 08 janvier 2011 - 12:32 .

[gabrielk2020]

Thane is a really cool character, and I enjoyed interacting with him. But I think it would be better if he doesn't return in ME 3. Or actually if he does, but maybe just in a flashback or just a few scenes early on. I would be fine with him dying, but being supremely at peace with everything by then.

[mnomaha]

I don't think I really thought of Thane as a bad father. So many of us want to keeps our kids close to keep them safe. How many of us could walk away to do the same? I don't think I could.



And he did think of returning at one point, but Kolyat was settled (more or less) and he didn't want to disturb that. Again, I don't think I could have stayed away. But Thane wasn't thinking of himself, he was thinking of his son.

[JECWSU]

I agree that he isn't a bad father. He tried to be a good husband but he just didn't know how. I know some people have an issue with the fact  that he abandoned his family, but he's trying to make up for that. He knows he was wrong and he's trying to make it right.

Modifié par JECWSU, 08 janvier 2011 - 12:46 .

[ravenimage]

The abandonment of his family wasn't intentional. Sure, it isn't really justifiable, but it wasn't that he was a selfish husband or father. He just did his job. A lot of husbands/fathers in real life work hard to support their family and sadly, sometimes, it only serves to drive them further apart. His abandonment of his family was just an unfortunate circumstance of life. **** happens, he's trying to mend what he can.