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[Cyansomnia]

@Sable

In my head, my FemShep is touchy-feely (she just keeps it all inside). I find it likely she would embarrass herself in front of Thane on more than one occasion, though.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 08 février 2011 - 01:19 .

[bloodtallow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Shepard can sometimes be so rude. Poor Thane. Leave it to shepard to forget something she came up with. He wouldn't put up with it if he didn't love her.
Love the comic as always hanar.

Shep, in any incarnation, is neither subtle nor touchy-feely, and probably wouldn't know his/her way around romance if it danced naked with neon signs 

The closest I got to a "touchy feely" romance on any of my Sheps was with Liara - I think, especially if you take it slow in ME, that Liara's romance can be very sweet, and that Shep gives her time to relax into the relationship. That changes a bit in LotSB, but then nothing lasts forever. Of course, it didn't help that I'd hooked my LiaraShep up with Thane at that point!

[kimprobable]

 If you go from Liara to Thane, that asari gets mean as heck in LotSB.  I defended her like crazy after I saw the way Ashley and Kaidan react on Horizon, then I saw that and I was all...   You just don't say things like that, Liara!  Dang, girl!!

[Sable Rhapsody]

kimprobable wrote...

 If you go from Liara to Thane, that asari gets mean as heck in LotSB.  I defended her like crazy after I saw the way Ashley and Kaidan react on Horizon, then I saw that and I was all...   You just don't say things like that, Liara!  Dang, girl!!

I dunno, I'm willing to cut Liara quite a lot of slack.  And as far as she can tell, she's not wrong about Shep and Thane.  She does, after all, save Shep's life and go through hell for two years.  Top it all off with a high-stress, high-emotion situation in Shadow Broker, and I'm willing to forgive whatever she might have to say about an ME2 LI.  It's not like Shep doesn't deserve a little bit of a "What The Hell Hero" either.

And besides, she does cool down significantly once the Shadow Broker's dead.  

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hmm... I consider going to another LI in ME2 when Liara has been 'manced in ME1 is probably cheating... VS pretty much broke up with Shepard on Horizon. If they didn't, then my Shepard definately did! With Liara, you see her on Illium and there is nothing about a breakup, as far as both are considered, Shep and Liara are still together. So while Liara isn't exactly my favourite character, I can understand her reaction too.

That said, I can understand why you did it bloodtallow! (And thanks for de-lurking! We like contributors

Although, the 'dying man's replacement for his dead wife' thing was OUCH! Her comment about Garrus is funny though when she is in the love triangle.

'So, I hear Garrus isn't just calibrating the Normandy's guns anymore...'

Hehe, I liked that Bioware laughed at the whole 'calibrations' thing!

[Kim Shepard]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Hmm, femshep is a pretty scary girlfriend, even if she is paragon, undead gals tend to scare most guys away...
Mind you, Saren is a pretty scary boyfriend to have, but I reckon Kim can handle it

Somehow, I think Saren always figured he would end up with a female version of himself, if anyone at all. Just didn't expect her to be human. xD They can scare/save the galaxy together, and the galaxy will be most grateful for it... but afraid, very afraid.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

While I've been procrastinating on a very stubborn Saren fic (DAMN YOU SPECTRE), I've noticed that Shepard is possibly the most difficult PC ever in terms of romance.  God help the LIs.

Shep, in any incarnation, is neither subtle nor touchy-feely, and probably wouldn't know his/her way around romance if it danced naked with neon signs 

*wants to read the next chapter of the Saren fic, but no rush* xD Some of my Shepards are the type to say "I love you," but it's true, they are not subtle. At all. Actually, MainShep saying "I love you" is a perfect example of her not being subtle. They can be oblivious too. Now I can't help but imagine something like this -

Saren: *looks at the neon sign suggestion* Oh, hell no. If she doesn't know I'm flirting by now--
MainShep: You were flirting? ...With me, I hope?
Saren: *growls, facepalms, and mutters something about which stores on the Citadel will sell him a neon sign*

Keep in mind, everyone, that my ThaneShep is even less subtle and more oblivious than MainShep. And Thane seems like the kind of guy who would try to be subtle. Poor Thane.

kimprobable wrote...

 If you go from Liara to Thane, that asari gets mean as heck in LotSB.  I defended her like crazy after I saw the way Ashley and Kaidan react on Horizon, then I saw that and I was all...   You just don't say things like that, Liara!  Dang, girl!!

Is that the one where she says something about Shepard trying to replace a dead man's wife? I still think it was a jerk move for Shepard to cheat on her after all she's done (and I don't even like Liara), but I agree, that comment was uncalled for.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah that's the one ^. Very harsh, especially when compared to her other comments for love triangles with the other LI's. The Garrus one was just a joke said with hostility. But the Thane was is really cold... Mind you, there are a few among the Normandy's crew who are mistrustful of Thane because of his profession as an assassin. I think Liara is also mistrustful.
Poor Thane. No wonder he doesn't really talk to the crew...
And Kim, it is scary how similar Saren and a renegade Shepard can be . He may be anti-human, but Shepard is now a cybernetic human with ruthless ambition and a determination to save the galaxy at any cost. Sound like anyone?

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 08 février 2011 - 08:44 .

[Kim Shepard]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Yeah that's the one ^. Very harsh, especially when compared to her other comments for love triangles with the other LI's. The Garrus one was just a joke said with hostility. But the Thane was is really cold... Mind you, there are a few among the Normandy's crew who are mistrustful of Thane because of his profession as an assassin. I think Liara is also mistrustful.
Poor Thane. No wonder he doesn't really talk to the crew...

A lot of the insults did seem to be in good humor, like the one for Garrus. I wonder why Liara wouldn't trust Thane though. They're both professionals, and she's done some morally questionable things too. As the new Shadow Broker, I'm sure she knows Thane isn't a typical assassin either.

And Kim, it is scary how similar Saren and a renegade Shepard can be . He may be anti-human, but Shepard is now a cybernetic human with ruthless ambition and a determination to save the galaxy at any cost. Sound like anyone?

And it's also possible for Shepard to do (almost) everything Saren did, just in a different way. The part that really amuses me though, is the fact that Saren's and MainShep's implants both match their eyes. Saren has blue implants and blue eyes, and Shepard's implants are gold - it's an interesting coincidence that my MainShep has gold eyes (and so does the Shepard I decided is "most likely to become Saren," aka MainShep's "brother.")

[Sable Rhapsody]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Yeah that's the one ^. Very harsh, especially when compared to her other comments for love triangles with the other LI's. The Garrus one was just a joke said with hostility. But the Thane was is really cold... Mind you, there are a few among the Normandy's crew who are mistrustful of Thane because of his profession as an assassin. I think Liara is also mistrustful.
Poor Thane. No wonder he doesn't really talk to the crew...

He's probably polite enough, but distant with anyone who isn't Shep.  Not the best way to dispell people's negative opinions about assassins, but Thane isn't exactly the best people person.  Saying he has a bit of trouble with that is like saying Grunt is a bit smashy or Jack has a little ink.

One of the things I love about BioWare's characters are their flaws.  I love these guys but they can be callous, immature, insensitive, racist, judgmental, arrogant, narrow-minded, bats*** insane, and sometimes downright cruel for no good reason.  Thane's got his flaws like any other character, and I think Liara's comment was partially just her leaping on his weak points.  Because he doesn't make any attempt to get to know people, as far as she or the rest of the crew can tell, he reall is just the assassin trying to replace his dead wife.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, and even if Shepard encourages Thane to speak with the crew, he still doesn't make any move to do that. Hopefully, he will rectify this! But I think the reason he isn't a people person is because he has 'had' to distance himself from people in order to be a successful assassin.

And I am glad that Bioware have incorporated the repercussions that being an assassin will have on Thane's social, personal and emotional life. Because assassins are never the 'happy go lucky' type. In the sci-fi book I am writing, there is an assassin as one of the main characters, and even though he only assassinates those whom his mysterious aide decree him to kill, he has gone mad from being an assassin his whole life.

And it is really difficult to write a mad character, but he is my favourite character in my book! Hehe!

[Kim Shepard]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

And I am glad that Bioware have incorporated the repercussions that being an assassin will have on Thane's social, personal and emotional life. Because assassins are never the 'happy go lucky' type. In the sci-fi book I am writing, there is an assassin as one of the main characters, and even though he only assassinates those whom his mysterious aide decree him to kill, he has gone mad from being an assassin his whole life.
And it is really difficult to write a mad character, but he is my favourite character in my book! Hehe!

That's what I find most interesting about Thane's character, the effect being an assassin had on his life and family.

Your assassin sounds like the type of character I would like too.

[JECWSU]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

kimprobable wrote...

 If you go from Liara to Thane, that asari gets mean as heck in LotSB.  I defended her like crazy after I saw the way Ashley and Kaidan react on Horizon, then I saw that and I was all...   You just don't say things like that, Liara!  Dang, girl!!

I dunno, I'm willing to cut Liara quite a lot of slack.  And as far as she can tell, she's not wrong about Shep and Thane.  She does, after all, save Shep's life and go through hell for two years.  Top it all off with a high-stress, high-emotion situation in Shadow Broker, and I'm willing to forgive whatever she might have to say about an ME2 LI.  It's not like Shep doesn't deserve a little bit of a "What The Hell Hero" either.

And besides, she does cool down significantly once the Shadow Broker's dead.  

I really do like Liara, but I'm not going to cut her any slack for that comment. What she says about Thane is pretty bad.  I understand why she's angry but that was really uncalled for. Shepard didn't ask her to do all the things she did. She went after Shepards body all on her own, because she couldn't let go. Shepard didn't ask her to go after the Shadow Broker. These are things she chose to do. She does calm down later though. I romanced Liara with a maleshepard who stayed loyal to her, but I saw her reaction to everyone on youtube. She's just lucky that there wasn't the option to tell her exacly why she got dumbed for Thane.

Modifié par JECWSU, 08 février 2011 - 11:20 .

[Kim Shepard]

Nuav wrote...

This thread makes me want to make a femShep and romance Thane. :DDD

You should. I'm still planning out a FemShep that I created just to romance Thane.

[kimprobable]

 Zevran is a happy go lucky assassin!

I don't blame Liara for what she said at all. I would have been just as bad, because my temper is short and my filter not so filtery.  I only meant to point out that she is HARSH, moreso than Kaidan or Ash, and that she's particualrly harsh about Thane as compared to other ME2 LIs.

But if we're going to analyze it (which I'm quite fond of, don't get me wrong ) then I can't applaud Liara for snapping at Shepard there when she makes little effort to reunite with Shep after first seeing her on Ilium.  When you first meet her she's a bit, "Sorry, too busy with the SB to romance you right now," but then she bites your head off later if you romance someone else. It's totally understandable and I would probably do the same in her shoes, but that just means it's a tantrum we can all relate to.

Modifié par kimprobable, 09 février 2011 - 03:58 .

[Hedgepath]

Welcome bloodtallow, and thx for the kind words..Yep, we do have some of the best Thane pics from our very, very, talented Thane fans. We will keep it up, as long as it takes, to assure Thane's in ME3 (and 'cause, he's hawt:-))

[Sable Rhapsody]

kimprobable wrote...

 Zevran is a happy go lucky assassin!

Mostly   He is also one sexy dude.  Too bad I have no intention of replaying DA:O to romance him with another Warden.  That game's combat is BLEARGH.

As for Liara, I guess part of the reason why I'm willing to cut the ME1 LIs a lot of slack is because my canon Shep never romanced any of them, and I was never terribly invested in the ME1 romances.  I did romance Ash with my ManShep, but the plan was always to end up with Miranda.  It's easier to see it from their point of view when I didn't have anything invested on Shep's end.

And I wouldn't call what Liara says about Thane particularly harsh compared to some of the other comments.  Lest we forget, Ash & Kaidan call Shepard a traitor and all but echo the turian councilor's opinion that Shepard's gone crazy.  

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yup. I hate Horizon. But the ME1 romances were never anything to write home about in my opinion.

Zevran has suffered, I think he keeps it bottled up. Due to some bad things that has happened, I wouldn't call him a happy go lucky assassin. But he is sexy. But I digress...

For now, Ash and Kaidan haven't said anything b****y about the other LI's as of yet. But I think they wouldn't be thrilled that an assassin is warming Shepard's bed either. But Liara really touched home with the 'dying man' thing. She isn't nearly as harsh about Garrus.

And Kim, he is a great character. Have you ever played prototype? The assassin in my book is a shapeshifter who can change any part of him (his arm, his organs, his anatomy, his skin.) There are limits of course, but he is a very old guy, and very mad. I can PM if you want because I do tend to ramble... Hehe!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
For now, Ash and Kaidan haven't said anything b****y about the other LI's as of yet. But I think they wouldn't be thrilled that an assassin is warming Shepard's bed either. But Liara really touched home with the 'dying man' thing. She isn't nearly as harsh about Garrus.

She also calls Jack a crazy tattooed lady with anger management issues.  Not that it's not true, but it's not very kind either.

I think the other reason why Liara's comment about Thane seems like a low blow is because of the way the romance itself is structured.  The two comments where Shep voices her concerns about 1) replacing Irikah and 2) Thane's illness are the ones that BREAK THE ROMANCE <_<  Shepard never gets a chance to address the very problems that Liara points out, at least not in-game, and they're legitimate points of concern.  I understand that's no fault of the characters and rather a product of ME2's dialogue system and word budget, but seriously.  Bleargh.  I can't begin to describe how much better I'd feel about Thane's romance if you could just talk to the dude about it without breaking up with him.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 09 février 2011 - 10:28 .

[Kim Shepard]

I guess I just think it would have made more sense if she insulted Shepard. Unlike Garrus (and Tali for MaleSheps), Thane probably knows nothing about Shepard's relationship with Liara, and her insult sounds like it's directed at Shepard and Thane when the poor guy didn't do anything wrong.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

And Kim, he is a great character. Have you ever played prototype? The assassin in my book is a shapeshifter who can change any part of him (his arm, his organs, his anatomy, his skin.) There are limits of course, but he is a very old guy, and very mad. I can PM if you want because I do tend to ramble... Hehe!

I've read about it. He sounds cool. It's interesting, does everyone here like assassin characters? The first thing that interested me about Thane, right after "oh cool, a new alien," is the fact that he's an assassin. I'm so used to those types of characters being my favorites, I expected to like Thane too.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...
It's interesting, does everyone here like assassin characters? The first thing that interested me about Thane, right after "oh cool, a new alien," is the fact that he's an assassin. I'm so used to those types of characters being my favorites, I expected to like Thane too.

There's a reason why an entire franchise based off assassins has sold so many copies 

Assassins = awesome.

[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...
It's interesting, does everyone here like assassin characters? The first thing that interested me about Thane, right after "oh cool, a new alien," is the fact that he's an assassin. I'm so used to those types of characters being my favorites, I expected to like Thane too.

There's a reason why an entire franchise based off assassins has sold so many copies 

Assassins = awesome.

Yeah, that's true. xD

Another pattern I've noticed, but this one's only for Mass Effect and Dragon Age - I like the squadmates from the second game better. (Yes, I can tell even before playing DA2.) It reminds me of the information about new squadmates in ME2 before release date like Thane, Jack, and Grunt, who I knew would interest me because I've liked characters of the same "type" before.

[Cyansomnia]

I only have one FemShep that romanced Liara and she would never cheat. I've watched footage of the lines Liara says on YouTube. I think the one about Thane is just incredibly brutal. It seems like going a bit too far, in my opinion. I can completely understand why she'd be angry, but that one made my jaw drop. Damn, Liara.

[JECWSU]

What Liara says about all the other LI's isn't bad at all. What she says about Thane is cruel. Thanes illness and his wife have nothing to do with her. There are some things that you really shoudn't say.

[kimprobable]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
For now, Ash and Kaidan haven't said anything b****y about the other LI's as of yet. But I think they wouldn't be thrilled that an assassin is warming Shepard's bed either. But Liara really touched home with the 'dying man' thing. She isn't nearly as harsh about Garrus.

She also calls Jack a crazy tattooed lady with anger management issues.  Not that it's not true, but it's not very kind either.

I think the other reason why Liara's comment about Thane seems like a low blow is because of the way the romance itself is structured.  The two comments where Shep voices her concerns about 1) replacing Irikah and 2) Thane's illness are the ones that BREAK THE ROMANCE <_<  Shepard never gets a chance to address the very problems that Liara points out, at least not in-game, and they're legitimate points of concern.  I understand that's no fault of the characters and rather a product of ME2's dialogue system and word budget, but seriously.  Bleargh.  I can't begin to describe how much better I'd feel about Thane's romance if you could just talk to the dude about it without breaking up with him.

Excellent point.