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[Nodscouter]

This is not correct and do not replay

I have literally no idea what you're trying to say here.
Also, if you romanced Thane you should've known about the consequences. Little late to start whining now.

[Kim Shepard]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

This happens a lot with my favorite characters. ): But maybe Thane won't follow the pattern because, unlike the majority of my favorites, he's not the villain.

Icy what you did there.
Seriously though, you didn't want Saren and Collector General to die? You felt sorry for them?

Saren's my favorite character. Of course I didn't want him to die. His death scene was a sad and powerful moment, and I know why it had to happen (I doubt Sovereign would have been defeated if not for the fact that its shields dropped when Shepard defeated possessed Saren), but I still want more Saren information and, even though I don't expect it to happen, a resurrection.

I did feel a little sorry for the Collector General in the end, but it's not like he was one of my favorites. I'm kind of neutral towards him. He was just a puppet for most of the game, really. (Not that I cared much for Harbinger - I'm neutral towards him/it too. Sovereign did the whole "terrifying villain" thing better.)

@Tinve: My Shepards are not the type to sacrifice themselves. So, if a situation like that happens... sorry, Thane. You will be missed. But I'm way more attached to my Shepards, all of them.

[hanar05]

Nodscouter wrote...
I have literally no idea what you're trying to say here.
Also, if you romanced Thane you should've known about the consequences. Little late to start whining now.

Hope for the best, be ready for the worst
We may know that Thane dying of Kepral's is a possible outcome but it's not like we've given up all hope on him living.
It could go either way, really, but a lot of us have a preference for the "living" option, seeing as Thane is one of our favourite characters and still has plenty of potential for future characterisation

[Tinve]

hanar05 wrote...
Hope for the best, be ready for the worst
We may know that Thane dying of Kepral's is a possible outcome but it's not like we've given up all hope on him living.
It could go either way, really, but a lot of us have a preference for the "living" option, seeing as Thane is one of our favourite characters and still has plenty of potential for future characterisation

Agree.

[JECWSU]

hanar05 wrote...
Hope for the best, be ready for the worst
We may know that Thane dying of Kepral's is a possible outcome but it's not like we've given up all hope on him living.
It could go either way, really, but a lot of us have a preference for the "living" option, seeing as Thane is one of our favourite characters and still has plenty of potential for future characterisation

Very well said Hana.

[Nodscouter]

hanar05 wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...
I have literally no idea what you're trying to say here.
Also, if you romanced Thane you should've known about the consequences. Little late to start whining now.

Hope for the best, be ready for the worst
We may know that Thane dying of Kepral's is a possible outcome but it's not like we've given up all hope on him living.
It could go either way, really, but a lot of us have a preference for the "living" option, seeing as Thane is one of our favourite characters and still has plenty of potential for future characterisation

Yes, he's my 4th favourite char, right after Joker, and is extremely awesome. He's probably one of the people I most agree with when it comes to some philosophical matters. But somehow, I feel like Bioware will make Thane in ME3 ''Better than I'd feared, worse than I'd hoped'' (Urdnot Wrex). While I do want Thane to be alive and with me to the end, I don't want the consequences of that, mainly a magical cure.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

No one here wants a magical cure. We all fear it will cheapen is character, his background and his entire story.

Bioware have invested more in Thane (in ME2 alone) than probably any other character. He has more depth than most other characters. And his romance scene is the most powerful in the game.

I'm pretty sure he will feature strongly in ME3. I accept he may not be a squaddie, but I hope he is, and I think he will be. I doubt that Bioware would have made Thane have Keprel's syndrome without already having a conclusion to that in mind. Whether it involves him alive and kicking, or an epic death, I'm sure they already have it planned out.

Personally, I still think his life will be in Shepard's hands, and will be the result of a choice you can make. Of course, I would pick the option to have Thane alive.

That is, unless it involves the death a rather suave turian gentlemen. In which case, I would have to make a playthrough for each.

And Nod, I'm pretty interested that you agree with Thane's philosophies, because often, that is a reason why many people don't like his character.
What philosophies are the ones you agree with?

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 10 mars 2011 - 07:01 .

[mnomaha]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

No one here wants a magical cure. We all fear it will cheapen is character, his background and his entire story.

Bioware have invested more in Thane (in ME2 alone) than probably any other character. He has more depth than most other characters. And his romance scene is the most powerful in the game.

I'm pretty sure he will feature strongly in ME3. I accept he may not be a squaddie, but I hope he is, and I think he will be. I doubt that Bioware would have made Thane have Keprel's syndrome without already having a conclusion to that in mind. Whether it involves him alive and kicking, or an epic death, I'm sure they already have it planned out.

Personally, I still think his life will be in Shepard's hands, and will be the result of a choice you can make. Of course, I would pick the option to have Thane alive.

That is, unless it involves the death a rather suave turian gentlemen. In which case, I would have to make a playthrough for each.

And Nod, I'm pretty interested that you agree with Thane's philosophies, because often, that is a reason why many people don't like his character.
What philosophies are the ones you agree with?

^Absolutely this. I agree with you fully Tasha.

Actually I'm interested in hearing this as well Nod.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

He's still there somewhere. I can see his online status
Anyone else got thoughts on Thane's philosophies until Nod arrives?

[mnomaha]

@Tash, I'm in Thane drool mode today, so nope, no philosophical thoughts. Unless they involve him naked and reading them to me.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Shell. Your wish shall be granted.
(Note: You only have two wishes left now

Oh, sorry Shell.
Garrus is going to have to arrest you for having such naughty thoughts! Hehe.

[Nodscouter]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

No one here wants a magical cure. We all fear it will cheapen is character, his background and his entire story.

Bioware have invested more in Thane (in ME2 alone) than probably any other character. He has more depth than most other characters. And his romance scene is the most powerful in the game.

I'm pretty sure he will feature strongly in ME3. I accept he may not be a squaddie, but I hope he is, and I think he will be. I doubt that Bioware would have made Thane have Keprel's syndrome without already having a conclusion to that in mind. Whether it involves him alive and kicking, or an epic death, I'm sure they already have it planned out.

Personally, I still think his life will be in Shepard's hands, and will be the result of a choice you can make. Of course, I would pick the option to have Thane alive.

That is, unless it involves the death a rather suave turian gentlemen. In which case, I would have to make a playthrough for each.

And Nod, I'm pretty interested that you agree with Thane's philosophies, because often, that is a reason why many people don't like his character.
What philosophies are the ones you agree with?

If Thane's survival does not kill Tali, Garrus or Joker then he lives for me. And I think that him having more depth than other characters is very much up for debate and same with his romance scene.

His philosophies when it comes to who kills someone, the gun or the employer. I personally don't think that people who are ordered to shoot someone is killing them, but the people who give the order is. I've kept that view for a long, long time. When I saw that the bad-ass neck-snapping drell assasin with an awesome voice agreeing with me, I became a very happy boy (Not as happy as when I saw Garrus, Tali and Joker returning, but still).
The one thing I disagree with him when it comes to his philosophies is when he says ''Taking bad things away from the world is not the same as adding good things'', other than that, his philosophies are mine.
Edit: I apologize for taking so long. At least you got something to drool over before I got here. Happy for you, if only I was bisexual...
Anyway, does anyone have a good sig (Preferably a rather short one) that doesn't say ''Cure Thane''?

Modifié par Nodscouter, 10 mars 2011 - 08:21 .

[mnomaha]

Awwww, dammit Garrus.

OK, either Garrus has to cuff me or I want my wish back.

[Tinve]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
Anyone else got thoughts on Thane's philosophies until Nod arrives?

Which part? Нis opinion of his profession? I was more interested in his attitude to history and culture of drells.

[Nodscouter]

That's not really about his philosophy is it?

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Nodscouter wrote...
If Thane's survival does not kill Tali, Garrus or Joker then he lives for me. And I think that him having more depth than other characters is very much up for debate and same with his romance scene.

His philosophies when it comes to who kills someone, the gun or the employer. I personally don't think that people who are ordered to shoot someone is killing them, but the people who give the order is. I've kept that view for a long, long time. When I saw that the bad-ass neck-snapping drell assasin with an awesome voice agreeing with me, I became a very happy boy (Not as happy as when I saw Garrus, Tali and Joker returning, but still).
The one thing I disagree with him when it comes to his philosophies is when he says ''Taking bad things away from the world is not the same as adding good things'', other than that, his philosophies are mine.
Edit: I apologize for taking so long. At least you got something to drool over before I got here. Happy for you, if only I was bisexual...
Anyway, does anyone have a good sig (Preferably a rather short one) that doesn't say ''Cure Thane''?

You could always use a drellickers sig Nod! Hehe .

I partially agree with you. I believe that most of the blame should be placed upon on the emplyer. After all, he took the action to kill a person, it is the who posesses the want to kill and the motivation.

However, the instrument used to murder an individual should also hold responsibility. Not as much as the employer, but still a portion of it. Personally, I don't think Thane COMPLETELY believes in his own philosophy. I think he uses it to alleviate blame from himself. Which is the realistic thing to do as an assassin. You can't live sanely as a murderer without having some method to justify your actions.

And Shell, I know you never look at Garrus the same way again after that pic! And Tinve, I too would like to get to know more about drell culture and stuff.

[Nodscouter]

Tell me, why should the instrument hold responsibility? As Thane himself says, you shouldn't blame your gun for killing someone.

[hanar05]

No squadmate death so far has been unavoidable.
I know one of them HAS to die on Virmire but you can technically avoid having Ashley or Kaidan die by leaving the other to die.
Mass Effect has a lot of focus on being a game of choices and consequences. I think we will see this again when it comes to Thane's fate.

[mnomaha]

I agree with you Hana. There is definately going to be some decision/sacrifice/consequence scenario in ME3. Maybe a lot. I'm almost scared.

[Nodscouter]

It feels like if you have a chance to save Thane, but it involves something ethically questionable, Thane will most likely protest alot (Maybe less if he's manced?)

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Nodscouter wrote...

Tell me, why should the instrument hold responsibility? As Thane himself says, you shouldn't blame your gun for killing someone.

But Thane is sentient. He chose to kill someone. A gun can't. So why hold your gun responsible in the first place?

He only has partial responsibility, because I imagine if Thane wasn't an option, then the employer would simply hire another assassin. But Thane still has the decision, when hired, to pull the trigger, or hold the bullet.

[Nodscouter]

You just made my point. If Thane doesn't do it, someone else will. Besides, if you think about it from a Physicist point of view, noone really has a choice in anything.

[hanar05]

I think whether or not he protests all depends. By taking the treatment, is he in turn taking away someone else's chance to be treated? I think he would protest if that was the case, I don't think he believes he is more deserving of that chance than anyone else.
But since he has offered his services to Shepard, I believe that he might do it if he was ordered to, but maybe it compromises their friendship..?
I think now that things have changed, if you became friends with him or romanced him and helped him reconnect with his son, you have given him more purpose to live so he won't be as apposed to taking a treatment than he would be if he had neither of those things.

[hanar05]

My opinion regarding Thane's beliefs is that his mind works differently to a human's, something like that may be a more natural way of thinking for a drell. I don't necessarily think that I should think the same but I accept that that is his way of thinking.

[Nodscouter]

hanar05 wrote...

I think whether or not he protests all depends. By taking the treatment, is he in turn taking away someone else's chance to be treated? I think he would protest if that was the case, I don't think he believes he is more deserving of that chance than anyone else.
But since he has offered his services to Shepard, I believe that he might do it if he was ordered to, but maybe it compromises their friendship..?
I think now that things have changed, if you became friends with him or romanced him and helped him reconnect with his son, you have given him more purpose to live so he won't be as apposed to taking a treatment than he would be if he had neither of those things.

That was my point. If he'd been doing something that could hurt others he would never do it, unless perhaps Shepard orders him too, and even then I can see him becoming actually angry at Shepard. It feels weird, but I could actually see him throwing a tantrum or something at Shepard if he/she'd do something like that.