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[JECWSU]

Lymle Lemuri wrote...

My husband had a good point to this:

Its the same reason we can cure polio and do advanced heart surgery, but  not cure the common cold or cure cancers. Some things cannot be done.

I retorted this to no end. But I will say there is reasoning in this theory.

This is very ture, but we are still talking about a video game. Shepard was dead for two years, and they brought her back to life. No one questions this or has a problem with it.  You can't get more permanent than death, but Shepard is walking around alive and well.

There is no cure for the common cold but ther are things you can take for it and your cold will eventually go away.  Ther also is no cure for cancer, but not everyone dies from it either. Thane still doesn't have to die.

Modifié par JECWSU, 18 avril 2011 - 07:29 .

[BlackEssence]

I'm gonna say this quick as I can and then move on. Improved the whole "Bringing Shepard back to life" thing and being Christian, I was a bit throw back with it being called the Lazarus project. Are we playing God now? Step too far for me. But, I digress...

Anyway, being this is Sci-fy, I think a cure made by Mordin can be made if it can be explained keeping in mind the Drell physiology. You can compare Thane's disease to chronic fatigue syndrome. It can kill if not treated, but it can be managed and can be lived with. A friend of mine made a beautiful and moving comic of Thane doing his exercises with his Siha and he starts coughing due to the disease. The artist drew a special inhaler made for thane to calm and least manage the symptoms, which can slow down the progression of the disease. Now, if you think about it like that, it does give a shadow of hope.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 18 avril 2011 - 08:41 .

[Lymle Lemuri]

@JECWSU and 51ha:

Yes these are both rebuttles I brought up. But I think he was simply point out the fact that its not curable because its not curable. Some things just don't have reasoning to them.

Hes a firm believer in the fact that Thane SHOULD die. That he shouldn't be scapegoated out. We've had countless silly debates on why and why not this sexy lizard man should live or die. TBH I don't he he likes Thane because he is like him, minus the incurable disease.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

JECWSU wrote...

Lymle Lemuri wrote...

My husband had a good point to this:

Its the same reason we can cure polio and do advanced heart surgery, but  not cure the common cold or cure cancers. Some things cannot be done.

I retorted this to no end. But I will say there is reasoning in this theory.

There is no cure for the common cold but ther are things you can take for it and your cold will eventually go away.  Ther also is no cure for cancer, but not everyone dies from it either. Thane still doesn't have to die.

Man, Thane isn't even one of my favorite characters, and I think it's completely plausible for him to still be alive.

Heck, in LotSB we see that Chakwas has files that say he's a good candidate for a lung transplant (which I assume would extend his life by several years) but he has said he doesn't want to be put on the list. Maybe he will change his mind about that, due to something that happened?

The Chakwas medical report in LotSB provides plenty of hope and variables. The more he exercises, the longer he lives. The more time he spends around people, rather than memory-ing-it-up, the longer he lives. If he gets a lung transplant, he might even survive until the Hanar do their thing (in humans, transplanting a failing organ will often give 5-15 extra years of life. No idea if his situation is comparable.)

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 avril 2011 - 08:03 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

It should be noted that the medical report refers to when Thane first joined the crew. That is, before he was emotionally involved with Shepard and reunited himself with Kolyat -- hence Thane's refusal to be added to the list.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 18 avril 2011 - 08:33 .

[BlackEssence]

I agree with whoever it was that said that Thane's disease is not what makes his character stand out or make him so SUPER DEE DUPER special. It's Thane as a MAN. How he carries himself, his personal faith, his outlook on life. Granted, he doesn't give himself more credit when it comes how to how precious his life is. So, I too, don't understand why he MUST die. It seems so cliche'. If I wanna see cliche'ness like that, I'll just watch a chick flick. But, as far as I am concerned, there is nothing cliche' about Thane. It needs to stay that way.

But, personally for me, what attracted me to Thane was how he is motivated through his personal faith. Sure, he believes in something different than I do, but his actions, how he prays for his enemies, how repents for his actions, how he holds STRONG onto his faith...that is what made me fall inlove with him. Looking past his physical exterior. This man is the kind of husband material I am looking for and it is very hard to find someone like Thane in RL, that's for sure. But, he's out there somewhere, I'd like to think.

But, in my eyes, Thane is more than just a character, he is someone I think we all can relate to and you can't help but love him. You just can't help it. That's why he needs to be in ME3. He's added his own special grace to the galaxy and the it would be a GREAT upset if we lost him. Besides, I plan to marry this man!

Modifié par BlackEssence, 18 avril 2011 - 08:54 .

[kaimanaMM]

Some great stuff going back and forth!  

@ Fiery : Ha!  I'm sort of like Thane.  Never know when I'm going to disappear or turn up again until your neck gets snapped.  (The reality is more like I got super busy with lots of RL stuff too boring to get into here!)

I think too many people fail to see beneath the surface and take most of what Thane says at face value.  Which is where the whole, 'Thane is defined by his illness' mumbo jumbo comes from.  You can certainly take it that way and see him as nothing more than a dying man suffering a guilt trip over the horrible things he's done in his life.

Or.

You can listen to his story and realize that it's not so much about death as it is about life.  You definitely get that vibe when you romance him but you get it when you friendzone him also. He's got Kolyat.  He's got friends / allies / love. He's got a place in the universe.  His life has worth, beyond what he thought and by the end of it all, he's willing to fight for survival, both his and the galaxy.  It's an intricate story and it's easy to dismiss it without looking between the lines.

[Lymle Lemuri]

Was I the only one disappointed in his DLC Outfit? I mean....Yeah the outfit itself was sexy, but those glasses.....oh god those glasses....

I miss his big black eyes...

[JeffZero]

Sums up in a nutshell why I haven't purchased those packs...

Modifié par JeffZero, 18 avril 2011 - 07:59 .

[JECWSU]

I like the outfit, but I hate those sunglasses. They are the reason I don't use the outfit much. I only use it on missions where he wears that helmet. You can't see his eyes. Plus the outfit covers up his chest. Which according to his medical report is not good.

[kaimanaMM]

His DLC outfit has actually grown on me.  But the glasses still need to go.

Always bugged me - they paid so much attention to detail and made everyone's eyes so expressive in ME2 and then they go cover up Jack and Thane's, some of the most emotional eyes in the game.  If that makes any sense.

In any case.  No glasses.  No shirt.  No problem.  <3

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Not big on the glasses. They look a bit tacky honestly, and I like Thane's eyes.

And I believe his mortality plays a significant role in ME2 of what we see of him. It defines his Loyalty mission. And in the romance scene, it is also the thing that causes all the emotions that make the scene so amazing. Anger, passion, love.

His Keprel's syndrome, along with Shepard, motivates him to act. To mend his relationship with his son, and to do something contstructive. Working to stop the collectors, free of charge. I don't think it defines his character though.

If anything, I think that his career as an assassin is what mostly 'defines his character.' It is what provides his philosophies, his way of survival, his family, his social life, and even his emotions.

[Lymle Lemuri]

Siha,

I write this with a heavy hand, knowing you will read this letter when I am no longer able to share my thoughts. I am dying, Siha. Perhaps because of the differences between our species, I can hope that time will treat you with kindness and dim the hurt of my passing to faded recollections that a drell would forever remember with perfect clarity.

Selfishly, however, I could not leave this world without leaving a piece of me behind that would never fade.

I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted to him to cry... for both our sakes.

The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am. I was content to simply watch, take the time left given and praise all I know for allowing me to walk my final days with hope and certainty that I am worthy of more than my cold isolation, solely because you believed.

I love you. If all else whispers back into the tide, know this for fact. By grace given me by the Goddess Arashu, I bid her divine protection to you, my warrior-angel, my Siha, to succeed in your destiny. To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost.

I will await you across the sea.

Thane


tl:dr: this letter is sad/awesome.

I recently redid the shadow broker mission and I got to reread this all over again. Still makes my eyes swell up in tears.

Modifié par Lymle Lemuri, 19 avril 2011 - 04:26 .

[Elite Midget]

Would you be willing to kill another Drell for their lungs and secretly transfer them into an unaware Thane?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Very moving letter indeed, Lemuri. It caught me totally off-guard when I first saw it.

[Lymle Lemuri]

Elite Midget wrote...

Would you be willing to kill another Drell for their lungs and secretly transfer them into an unaware Thane?

I would kill 100 drell for Thane to live. Its very Renagade for me though. (I'm a full blown Paragon till the end)

[kaimanaMM]

Elite Midget wrote...

Would you be willing to kill another Drell for their lungs and secretly transfer them into an unaware Thane?

One, ten, a thousand.  You bet I would.  Heck, bring back the Feron For Spare Parts campaign, I'm all over it!

I love the LotSB letter, and I hate it.  Love, because it's so very Thane.  I can imagine him sitting in life support thinking of exactly what he wants to say, getting the words down and slowly finding himself more and more shaken up until he's got to talk to Shepard.  Right now.  Hate it, because it gives BW an easy out to write him off.

But, I'm not all doom and gloom.  I have hope and I believe Thane will be in ME3 (I'm ready for him to go sneaking through the vents to bust Shep out of prison).  My problem, lately at least, is that I'm starting to wonder just how long he'll be in ME3.

[Tinve]

Elite Midget wrote...

Would you be willing to kill another Drell for their lungs and secretly transfer them into an unaware Thane?

Why do you think that it is necessary to kill someone? In the first book written that for batarian grown cloned organs. But she did not wait. Saren killed her.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yes my Thaneshep would. And she is a paragade.

As for the letter, it wasn't a while til I saw it because I didn't do LotSB with my Thaneshep til later. But when I saw it I was like 'Woah!' And especially because he used the 'l' word. I liked it though, it was very in character. And I haven't thought much about whether it is a foreshadowing of whether not he will feature heavily in ME3. But after all the investment in his character, they must have some great plans for him!

[Chewin]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Yes my Thaneshep would. And she is a paragade.

As for the
letter, it wasn't a while til I saw it because I didn't do LotSB with my
Thaneshep til later. But when I saw it I was like 'Woah!' And
especially because he used the 'l' word. I liked it though, it was very
in character. And I haven't thought much about whether it is a
foreshadowing of whether not he will feature heavily in ME3. But after
all the investment in his character, they must have some great plans for
him!

*fingers crossed*

Modifié par Chewin3, 19 avril 2011 - 03:49 .

[QwibQwib]

Why don't they kill Jacob instead of Thane?

[Merchant2006]

I'm hoping for Thane to live but my bets is the guy will be in ME3. Or he dies. I hope he dies. Just being a realist. Dude has come to terms with himself and his life and if he did pass away well... yeah.

QwibQwib wrote...

Why don't they kill Jacob instead of Thane?

Because he's a better character than Thane in terms of dialogue. Look at thiiiiiis.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 19 avril 2011 - 03:53 .

[Chewin]

Does it sound to cliche if we find a cure for Thane? Of course I want him to survive, but which one's better? That Thane lives or that Thane does something in ME3 that makes you remember him forever?