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[Fiery Phoenix]

Yes! Awesome stuff, Kai!

[JECWSU]

kaimanaMM wrote...

In my head, I've got the Dantius Towers (Thane's recruitment mission) but sort of reversed.  Kai Leng could be sent after Shep, who is convieniently staying put somewhere on Earth .  The Shepsquad springs into action! Thane goes through the vents working his way to Shepard.  Legion kills the power / security systems.  Grunt / Garrus / Jacob lead the charge, guns blazing as a distraction.  And it all ends with Kai Leng dead, a rare Thane-smile (or a juicy Thane kiss, I'm not  picky), Reapers showing up, Shep ready to kick some butt and me dead from awesome overload.

I love this idea Kai.

[-Becky-]

/sign

I want Thane to always live. My female shepard only loves him . . . Well, and Garrus (Just to wind him up)

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

That would be a brilliant plan. It means that all the Loyalty missions done in ME2 come back in a spectacular, glorious way. And save Shepard.

And because Shepard has helped each of them, they all help her/him back.

I'm sure there is a moral there somewhere

[TheSweetGirl]

I only have one condition....

Thane's badass neck snap XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[kaimanaMM]

Aww, you guys.  <3

Grunt : I'm ready!
Jacob : Wait for it.
Grunt : *growls*
Legion : Perimeter sensors offline. Bypassing internal network.
Garrus : Thane?
Thane : In position.
Legion : There is a 93-percent probability that our attempt will be unsuccessful.
Garrus : I'd say those odds are better than normal.
Legion : Security systems disabled.  
Thane : Moving.
Grunt : *kicks in the door* I AM KROGAN!!

[BlackEssence]

I'm gonna do something dangerous...and that's be different from everyone else when I say this, and you all can take it however you want it as I won't change my opinion on how I feel:

When people speak of a cure or a memorable death for Thane, why do I get the feeling that people are trying to tell what needs be done right (As if they REALLY KNOW. Because there a few ideas I have read here that I don't agree with.) and people agree, and then tell what can't be done and have a stroke when people disagree? Let me explain:

1: A cure for Thane: Cliche? Sure. Unrealistic? Absolutely not. Not to me, at least. Why? Because in real life, we are trying to find cure for cancers and diseases and when you find a character, be it in a movie, video game, book, or anything else, that you can relate to so much, these kinds of things are shouldn't necessarily feel unrealistic. And I say that because I have had family members die of diseases and I am actually pre-disposed to a hereditary disease myself. So, this is a subject about a character that I can relate to VERY much.

There is a difference between something being OVERDONE and something that could be used to enhance a story. Has anyone ever thought about a cure for Thane, but with a possible draw-back? You know, like "Take this cure, but this will happen to you." kind of thing? Wouldn't that make the "cliche' cure" you all call it more realistic?

2: Thane dying a memorable death: I can actually work this...to certain extent. But, I'll go ahead and say what I am about to say since I feel some here may be too scared to: I am so sick of this conversation. Why does he have to die at all? What's wrong with having a happy ending if based on your choices? If your choices affect Thane living or dying, then that's fine, because then we can shape our futures in the game and that's all that matters. But, having it be a MUST that he dies is ridiculous and completely redundant to me and to be honest, I find that idea to be the most cliche' than anything else. Unless it impacts the ENTIRE story as a whole and makes it unforgettable, how does it deepen the story at all? Personally, I don't see any way that it does because 9x out of 10, BW will have it where he dies and we move on and that would be a HUGE disservice to Thane's character and his story over all, in my opinion. I'll come flat out and say it: I don't want Thane to die, I don't want some stupid cameo appearance be it romantic, friend, or foe, and I have NO PROBLEM with a miracle cure or treatment that he would have to go through (Even with the idea of him having to lose something to be cured is entertained.) and I mean that with my heart's pure vigor. Daring to be different.

So, I just wanted to share my opinion on that as I feel I and one other person are more opened to so many ideas out there without shooting them down first, and I say that because from what I am reading on these posts, some are afraid to speak there oppositions in fear of being trolled or ridiculed for not getting on the bandwagon of agreement with everyone else. I do apologize if what I said rubs some of you the wrong way. But, I had to say what I felt as I help my tongue for days now since I've been here in this short time. I just kept seeing a few people, not saying it outward but saying it none the less, speak this "you-are-wrong-about-this-and-that-and-things-should be-THIS-way-or-THAT-way-or-the-game-or-character-will-suck-because-I-said-so-because-its-logical-so-who-all-agrees?" attitudes and that, to me, just disrespects the game as WHOLE. To me, I said (Someone is gonna read that wrong and twist it up. I just know it.).

I simply oppose Thane not having a cure or treatment to save or prolong his life, I oppose the idea of killing him off, and I oppose the idea of a cameo appearance. Thane is a special character and one of few of BILLIONS of video game characters that should be considered a legend. He should be treated with kid gloves and I plan to give BW the benefit of the doubt that they'll treat him right.

[Taritu]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Aww, you guys.  <3

Grunt : I'm ready!
Jacob : Wait for it.
Grunt : *growls*
Legion : Perimeter sensors offline. Bypassing internal network.
Garrus : Thane?
Thane : In position.
Legion : There is a 93-percent probability that our attempt will be unsuccessful.
Garrus : I'd say those odds are better than normal.
Legion : Security systems disabled.  
Thane : Moving.
Grunt : *kicks in the door* I AM KROGAN!!

I like.  A lot.  Apparently in ME2 there was a point where the first mission was going to be a rescue of Shep's body with you in charge of, I think, Legion.  This could be done like that, or as a cut scene.  I think I actually prefer the cut scene, though.

[Nodscouter]

Saving the Galaxy is basically the point of the entire series, so people are more willing to overlook that.

[-Becky-]

51ha wrote...

I hate the word “miracle” or “magic” cure. And I don’t like the word cliché either. So one man/woman singlehandedly saving the galaxy is not cliché? Curing someone who is terminally ill is magical but saving the galaxy from I don’t know how many Reapers is possible?Ugh.

How can someone say this should die:

I agree with you there. He's too adorable. . . To die.

[xsprayx]

No matter what happens, I just want something that is done well.

But as I mentioned earlier, if he dies it is likely that Shepard will just move on as if nothing happened. No matter how epic or amazing his death scene is.

So, if they do have him die, I think it should come at the end of the game. Epilogue-style. Just to avoid that his-death-didn't-matter situation.

There are so many possibilities, and so many ways to pull them all off. As I said, I just want it done well.

[JECWSU]

Thane doesn't need to die, and I don't think that he should. I would hate to see such a great character just thrown away. If Bioware does end up letting him die I'm not sure he is going to have an epic death scene. I doubt it would even be memorable. They will probably have Shepard acting as if it didn't matter. That would make me more than just a little angry. I guess we are just going to have to continue to wait and see.

Modifié par JECWSU, 20 avril 2011 - 10:32 .

[Lymle Lemuri]

xsprayx wrote...

No matter what happens, I just want something that is done well.

But as I mentioned earlier, if he dies it is likely that Shepard will just move on as if nothing happened. No matter how epic or amazing his death scene is.

So, if they do have him die, I think it should come at the end of the game. Epilogue-style. Just to avoid that his-death-didn't-matter situation.

There are so many possibilities, and so many ways to pull them all off. As I said, I just want it done well.

If his funeral was at the end of the game, I know I'm not the only Shepard that will throw myself into the sea after him.

[kaimanaMM]

JECWSU wrote...

Thane doesn't need to die, and I don't think that he should. I would hate to see such a great character just thrown away. If Bioware does end up letting him die I'm not sure he is going to have an epic death scene. I doubt it would even be memorable. They will probably have Shepard acting as if it didn't matter. That would make me more than just a little angry. I guess we are just going to have to continue to wait and see.

This is pretty much it.

I don't think people here are scared to say what they want to say.  I've argued for months about why / how I think Thane can / should live for ME3 (think I've been here since page 2 or 3) and in plenty of other places on BSN and the net.  But, eventually, you get tired of saying the same thing and arguing with people who are so staunchly against your point of view that it just becomes completely counterproductive.  Especially when they keep telling you Thane has to die for his story to have any meaning.

Ultimately, I want Thane's story to have a memorable conclusion, one in which Shepard plays a significant part. Whether you romanced him or not, it was Shepard who matched Thane step for step in the Dantius Towers.  It was Shepard who gave Thane a cause to fight for, to live for.  Shepard, the only person Thane has spoken to / opened up to in the last ten years.  Shepard is a turning point in Thane's life and it would be a huge disservice for Thane to die off-camera with some pitiful scene of a coffin and flowers while Shepard just shrugs indifferently and moves on to the next planet that we'll need to recruit. 

I can appreciate that death adds emotional pull and ups the drama and tension level if done right and done sparingly.  But, I also think it's the easy way out.  It's far easier to write someone's death than to carry on with the story of someone's life.  At the same time, it's also an easy way out to pop up with a tube of magical cure.  Thane isn't defined by his illness or his impending death but it is a large part of his character and his story.  It would be wrong to ignore that.  And it would be wrong to recognize any one set of choices over another.  I'm honest with myself enough to know that there are plenty of people out there who play the game alot differently than I do.

I love stories where the hero gets the girl or guy and I have no problem at all with the idea of Shep saving the galaxy and then being carried off into the desert sunset by Thane.  Some people do.  Do I want Thane to live?  You bet.  And I certainly believe there are any number of ways his life can be proglonged and his illness treated. 

The most important one as recommended by Chakwas herself - more exposed drellchest.

Glorious.

[Chewin]

All I care about in ME3 about Thane is that you will have a choice. Not just a choice between 'Help him' or 'Let him die'. I'm talking about something more complex than that. Something that would make you think 'Is this the best decision? Shall I sacrifice X to save Y?'

I want BW to test my loyalty to Thane. He has proven his, now it's my turn. I want BW to do something that will make me go to hell itself just so I can be with him. Be it killing hundreds of drells or sacrifing humans or whatever BW throws at me. I just want to show him how far I'll go for him.

And if he dies, well, I guess you see him on the other side of the ocean.

[Saber Wolf]

Chewin3 wrote...
I want BW to test my loyalty to Thane. He has proven his, now it's my turn. I want BW to do something that will make me go to hell itself just so I can be with him. Be it killing hundreds of drells or sacrifing humans or whatever BW throws at me. I just want to show him how far I'll go for him.

[BlackEssence]

Chewin3 wrote...
I want BW to test my loyalty to Thane. He has proven his, now it's my turn. I want BW to do something that will make me go to hell itself just so I can be with him. Be it killing hundreds of drells or sacrifing humans or whatever BW throws at me. I just want to show him how far I'll go for him.

And if he dies, well, I guess you see him on the other side of the ocean.

I totally agree with this..except the going to hell part. lol. I'd rather "Save" my Thane so that he can live in God's glory with me. Thane, to me, is not hell bent. He doesn't deserve it.

[Lymle Lemuri]

BlackEssence wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...
I want BW to test my loyalty to Thane. He has proven his, now it's my turn. I want BW to do something that will make me go to hell itself just so I can be with him. Be it killing hundreds of drells or sacrifing humans or whatever BW throws at me. I just want to show him how far I'll go for him.

And if he dies, well, I guess you see him on the other side of the ocean.

I totally agree with this..except the going to hell part. lol. I'd rather "Save" my Thane so that he can live in God's glory with me. Thane, to me, is not hell bent. He doesn't deserve it.

Shepard's not religious though. Least not that I can tell. Thane is. And I dont think Kalahira would forsake Thane for his killings, seeing as hes a tool/weapon not a killer, and its his body that does the killing, not his soul. Regardless of that he still asks forgiveness, just out of his morality.

So in the Drell religion there really is no hell, Thane would just see Shepard's actions as selfish.

On another note: I hope Ashley is rotting in hell right now for shooting Wrex.

[BlackEssence]

Based on your decision in the first game, Shepard is..I hate the word "religious", Shepard is a Godly person...if you romanced or at least flirted with Ashley and kind of answered her questions when she spoke about God. But, since in my game, I consider myself Commander Shepard, MY Shepard is a Godly woman (And on my other file, a Godly man.) and I am speaking through the perspective of my Shepard. So, I stand by what I said before. lol. You're speaking of "General Default Shepard" and you so would be correct in that matter.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 21 avril 2011 - 01:35 .

[Lymle Lemuri]

Yea theres the "I do too" option. But I never choose it. She just rubs me the wrong way. I don't like how shes skeptical of Garrus and Wrex, any pride driven alien I mean. It makes me wonder how she would react to Thane.

I could imagine the argument that would ensue. Her belief in God and his belief in Arashu and the other Drell entities would make for quiet a debate. I wonder how she would take to his belief in killing, not taking responsibility for it, and how contradicting she would be on that topic. I dunno seeing her shoot Wrex...her face, was just the vision of pure evil to me. I'm not a big fan of Kaiden either but it was sweat off my brow in deciding who I left behind.

[Lady Luck]

Chewin3 wrote...
I want BW to test my loyalty to Thane. He has proven his, now it's my turn. I want BW to do something that will make me go to hell itself just so I can be with him. Be it killing hundreds of drells or sacrifing humans or whatever BW throws at me. I just want to show him how far I'll go for him.

This, a thousand times this.

I actually want this to happen. Something like sacrifing someone/something to save Thane. And how many will actually do it? Maybe all Thane fans and those who has him as LI, but those eho has him as a friend will have it even thougher.

Yep, i like this idea a lot

[Collider]

I don't want a wholly unequal choice. No "save your LI or save multiple people." There is no moral dilemma in that, there is only selfishness.
-
Thane romance glitches (starts at 0:50):

[BlackEssence]

Lymle Lemuri wrote...

Yea theres the "I do too" option. But I never choose it. She just rubs me the wrong way. I don't like how shes skeptical of Garrus and Wrex, any pride driven alien I mean. It makes me wonder how she would react to Thane.

I could imagine the argument that would ensue. Her belief in God and his belief in Arashu and the other Drell entities would make for quiet a debate. I wonder how she would take to his belief in killing, not taking responsibility for it, and how contradicting she would be on that topic. I dunno seeing her shoot Wrex...her face, was just the vision of pure evil to me. I'm not a big fan of Kaiden either but it was sweat off my brow in deciding who I left behind.

I agree. I agree heavily. And with me playing as a my male Ephriam Shepard, Ashley likes me and I have never liked Ashley and chose Li'ara over, obviously. I never let Ashley shoot Wrex because if I had seen the look on her face as you described it, I would have lost my mind completely. This is why I don't see why people like her. She is predjudice against other aliens and had the unmedigated gal to try and justify it. I made sure I told her narrow behind off durring that conversation. 

And I hate when she calls me "Skipper"...I mean, I HATE it.



As far as the idea of sacrificing someone for Thane: The idea on the surface makes it a good idea, but in depth, I don't think the reaction that we THINK we would get from Thane would come. I believe he would hate Shepard's actions for killing his people so that he could live. His people were already about to be wiped out on their own planet if the Hanar hadn't saved them, which left me with the impresson that things for the drell have gotten better, but their race are still not as big as it once was.

So, someone coming in and bringing that number down even further seems like something that would infuriate Thane than to make him grateful. Thane would probably feel that he would have wanted to die honorabley than to kill others for him to live. Guilt would probably eat him alive and I don't think he would let Shepard act like that. Thane would have wanted to make the decision if given to him on what to do with HIS LIFE.

So, when you break it down...it doesn't seem like the moral or just thing to do. For me, it wouldn't be my decison to make. I'd leave that up to Thane. I'm not God. Unless Thane tells me to, I won't judge wether he lives or dies without giving him a chance to weigh his options.

[JECWSU]

I don't like being called skipper either. I love it when Thane starts calling Shepard Siha. I even like when Kasumi calles you Shep, and I like what Legion when Legion calls you Shepard Commander.

Thane probably hating Shepard would be the one thing that would keep me form doing it. That and the fact that I mostly play paragon. No matter how hard I try I can't be completely renegade. Some of the renegade decisions are a little funny to watch and some seem a bit cruel. I would do anything to save him, but I'm not going to do something that would make him hate me. I am curious as to how they are going to do this if they keep Thane alive. It will probably cost us something. Maybe not another life, but there should be something. It shouldn't come easy.