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[JECWSU]

I've never understood why some people want some death scene ending. These are the same people who don't even care about Thanes character, so why do they care if he lives or dies. It shouldn't matter to them one way or the other.

I hope that there is something good for us when ME3 comes out as well.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Welcome soulstarfish! And I love the dynamics in his character. So mild mannered, calm and collected. But his proffession as an assassin reveals a whole new side to him.

And I am hoping that he won't die during ME3. Or that it should be the result of a choice. We will see where Bioware takes us though!

[hanar05]

Welcome SoulfulStarfish
I hope you enjoy it here! There are certainly a lot of like-minded people here

[Raiil]

JECWSU wrote...

I've never understood why some people want some death scene ending. These are the same people who don't even care about Thanes character, so why do they care if he lives or dies. It shouldn't matter to them one way or the other.

I hope that there is something good for us when ME3 comes out as well.

Eh, I dunno about people not caring about Thane because they want a death scene. Thane's my preferred (and only) love interest in mass effect 2, but all things considered, I'll take an amazing death scene where he goes down swinging versus some lukewarm blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo. Thane's character is tied with his impending death and I hope that if a cure or some sort of hope can't be held out for him, they give him, as the Spartans say, a beautiful death.

[JECWSU]

Valentia X wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I've never understood why some people want some death scene ending. These are the same people who don't even care about Thanes character, so why do they care if he lives or dies. It shouldn't matter to them one way or the other.

I hope that there is something good for us when ME3 comes out as well.

Eh, I dunno about people not caring about Thane because they want a death scene. Thane's my preferred (and only) love interest in mass effect 2, but all things considered, I'll take an amazing death scene where he goes down swinging versus some lukewarm blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo. Thane's character is tied with his impending death and I hope that if a cure or some sort of hope can't be held out for him, they give him, as the Spartans say, a beautiful death.

What I was talking about were people who think that Thane should die or that Thane needs to die. The same people who think his character is defined by his illness, and the being cured would somehow ruin his character. Most of us here don't agree with these things. What I've noticed is that the people that say these things don't even really like Thane. Some of them think he will either die off screen and won't even be in ME3. They didn't really talk to him.  I doubt they romanced him, so why does it matter to them if he lives or dies.

Thane is also my prefered LI. I would like a choice to cure him or somehow prolong his life. I'm not sure Bioware would give us some great death scene. I think if he died Shepard would be sad for about two seconds, and then she would move on like nothing happened. That' the kind of death scene I'm afraid we would get. 


Welcome SoulfulStarfish
I agree with everything you said. I'm hoping they at least give us a choice in ME3 to save him.

Modifié par JECWSU, 30 avril 2011 - 02:35 .

[Antivenger]

JECWSU wrote...
 I'm not sure Bioware would give us some great death scene. I think if he died Shepard would be sad for about two seconds, and then she would move on like nothing happened. That' the kind of death scene I'm afraid we would get. 

Not everyone would want their Shepard to mope about. Quite a few would probably want their Shepard to show extreme anger and go on a killing spree. The best that Bioware could do is leave space for fans to write in their own interpretation. Personally I like it when they do that, leaves room for people to create fanfiction/art.

[Raiil]

JECWSU wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I've never understood why some people want some death scene ending. These are the same people who don't even care about Thanes character, so why do they care if he lives or dies. It shouldn't matter to them one way or the other.

I hope that there is something good for us when ME3 comes out as well.

Eh, I dunno about people not caring about Thane because they want a death scene. Thane's my preferred (and only) love interest in mass effect 2, but all things considered, I'll take an amazing death scene where he goes down swinging versus some lukewarm blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo. Thane's character is tied with his impending death and I hope that if a cure or some sort of hope can't be held out for him, they give him, as the Spartans say, a beautiful death.

What I was talking about were people who think that Thane should die or that Thane needs to die, or that his character is defined by his illness. We have heard that a cure will ruin his character so many times.  Most of us here don't believe that any of these things are true. What I've noticed is that the people that say these things don't even really like Thane. Some of them think he will either die off screen and won't even be in ME3. They didn't really talk to him.  I doubt they romanced him, so why does it matter to them if he lives or dies.

Thane is also my prefered LI. I would like a choice to cure him or somehow prolong his life. I'm not sure Bioware would give us some great death scene. I think if he died Shepard would be sad for about two seconds, and then she would move on like nothing happened. That' the kind of death scene I'm afraid we would get. 

I don't see why they couldn't. Thane holding the line and either throwing Shepard out of harm's way or ordering, say, Garrus, to carry her out (or telling Shepard to save the galaxy and do 'good things' for a non-romanced Shep) and having him bring the pain to the enemy with his death would qualify, and I don't see why Bioware couldn't do that. They may or may not do it if Thane dies in ME3, but there's nothing to say they won't. 


And maybe Shepard won't sit and mope, but I don't think Thane would have gone for Shepard if she was a whiner. Maybe our femSheps can take Thane's journey and final mission- to make the galaxy brighter than we found it- to heart and carry the banner in his memory. Less moping, more fevered determination.

I'm sure there are people boo hooing the idea of cured!Thane, but I doubt Bioware will take that too much into account for ME3. As I said, I can only hope he gets a chance of prolonging his life or the death he has pursued and deserves in a blaze of glory.

[ArcanaLegacy]

I agree with the idea of BW not giving Thane some death scene. Sure- they did say its going to get darker this time around, but i thought they'd actually kill him off like that. They know to fear their "female fans" as they call us. We fangirls will RAGE.

And they know it.

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 30 avril 2011 - 02:39 .

[JECWSU]

@Antivenger

I didn't say anything about moping around. I said they would have her act like it didn't matter. Showing anger and going on a killing spree would show that it mattered. I wouldn't want her to go on some killing spree though, but I guess if she is renegade that would work.

Modifié par JECWSU, 30 avril 2011 - 02:41 .

[JECWSU]

Valentia X wrote...

I don't see why they couldn't. Thane holding the line and either throwing Shepard out of harm's way or ordering, say, Garrus, to carry her out (or telling Shepard to save the galaxy and do 'good things' for a non-romanced Shep) and having him bring the pain to the enemy with his death would qualify, and I don't see why Bioware couldn't do that. They may or may not do it if Thane dies in ME3, but there's nothing to say they won't. 


And maybe Shepard won't sit and mope, but I don't think Thane would have gone for Shepard if she was a whiner. Maybe our femSheps can take Thane's journey and final mission- to make the galaxy brighter than we found it- to heart and carry the banner in his memory. Less moping, more fevered determination.

I'm sure there are people boo hooing the idea of cured!Thane, but I doubt Bioware will take that too much into account for ME3. As I said, I can only hope he gets a chance of prolonging his life or the death he has pursued and deserves in a blaze of glory.

Of course Bioware could do that. Would they do it? I don't know. 

Why does the fact that Shepard showing she cares means she has to be moping around all depressed? That isn't what I was saying. I'm not saying she should cry every five seconds because her LI is dead. What I'm saying is she shouldn't act like Thane didn't matter. She doesn't have to be sad. She could also be angry that this happened. They could easily have Shepard act as if Thane wasn't even there. No mention of him no nothing, and I'm not saying she has to talk about him every five seconds either.

Modifié par JECWSU, 30 avril 2011 - 03:21 .

[kaimanaMM]

Welcome SoulStarfish!  

I never like saying 'If Thane dies then ...' because I don't want anyone to get any funny ideas!  See this pitchfork and torch BW?  I'm not afraid to use them!

Seriously though.  I've always been on board with JEC's train of thought.  The problem isn't how Shep would handle it, it's that Shep wouldn't handle it at all - i.e. Thane dies in a heroic blaze of glory and Shep shrugs and moves on like he never mattered.  

Really, if you think about it, it would be easier to keep Thane alive because how do you plan Shepard's reaction? One that would satisfy everyone (or at least most people)?  In every situation (friend / romance)?  Some would get loud and go on a killing spree, others would be glad the frogboy's gone, others would get quietly determined, still others would go behind closed doors and cry their eyes out.  I suppose you could put that choice on a dialogue wheel.   

Need more coffee.  And more Thane.

[JECWSU]

I never like saying if he dies either Kai. I want Thane alive and fighting alongside my Shepard.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Good day, folks.

It's an interesting thing to think about what would happen if Thane did die, at least from Shepard's point of view. It isn't a stretch to say that throughout ME3, Shepard will be carrying tons of problems on her shoulders; as such, Shepard is supposed to show her humanity and stop acting like an unfeeling killing machine. For a romanced Thane, this adds yet another variable to the equation. As much as I'd like Thane to live, I would not mind a death scene provided that

• it did not happen until the last several hours of the game
• it was extremely well dialogued and played out
• it had a direct a psychological effect on Shepard that continuously haunts her until the very end of the game

I especially emphasize on the last one. Unfortunately, I do not believe BioWare would care enough to make Shepard act accordingly in that scenario. As it stands, Shepard would probably just frown and shrug for a couple of seconds then leaves like nothing's happened. I hate to say it, but if Thane does die, I can totally see that happening. Which brings us to one of the core reasons we, the fans, believe Thane should be cured. As much as we like BioWare and respect them, we simply have no reason to believe they would pull it off in a way that is satisfying enough. As a result, the safer bet is to cure Thane or at the very least prolong his life for the course of ME3.

After all, I'm one of those people who think Shepard seemed to have suddenly lost part of her humanity in ME2. Aside from a select few scenes, there were literally dozens of moments where Shepard should have expressed herself as a feeling human, but either it was not done properly or Shepard didn't bother displaying emotions at all. And that's the last thing I want to see in ME3. Not with the Reapers at large, the batarians wanting revenge, and Cerberus after her.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 30 avril 2011 - 01:16 .

[JECWSU]

I completely agree with you Fiery.
That is all I was trying to say, but I think you said it better.

[a42]

Hello Everyone

I would just like to say that I am not a Female Shepard but without a doubt Thane was still my 2nd favourite character (The 1st is Garrus but only because you have known him longer than Thane). Thane had some much to like about him, the obvious part was the fact that 1. He was an Assassin and everyone loves Assassins ! haha 2. His background was very interesting and it made me feel for him and really wish that I could cure him (Here is an idea that I have just thought of actually what about if the cure is related to the Protheans?) 3. He needs his son and his son needs him so Thane has to survive! 4. He is just so amazing that he shouldn't be killed (and he is the only current Drell squad member)

I really enjoyed the time with Thane as I felt that he poured his poor soul out to me. I do want him cured in ME3 though (or an unbelievable fight to the death where he defeats countless waves of enemies before his life is extinguished). I want him cured though significantly more than an epic fight to the death! 

I do want him to be a squadmate that uses his full potential because look at where you meet him, his entrance is jaw dropping and his moves are incredible and I would love to see him during combat achieve great snipes or perform great moves like his entrance and dissappear and then suddenly surprise an enemy and deliver a NECKSNAP. I just want him to be a brilliant Assassin who enemies fear and look at with complete awe and amazement but I want him to develop even more as a character

Modifié par a42, 30 avril 2011 - 02:19 .

[kaimanaMM]

See, that's the thing.

Plenty of people say they'd be alright with Thane's death if it was meaningful.  But what is meaningful to your Shepard may not be meaningful to my Shepard and vice versa.  How do you make his death meaningful, with an appropriate reaction from Shepard that is in-line with your personal Shepard considering no two Shepards are alike?  Not just that, but Shepard at times has all the emotion of a tin can.

Do people really think that BW would make Thane's death an epic moment wherein we watch as he goes out, guns blazing and we're each allowed to reflect on our time spent with him and contemplate our own existance while the galaxy crumbles around us and we reach to the sky with hopeless hands screaming, 'NOOOOoooooo!'.  Ok, maybe a little too much there.

The point is, no matter how they killed him (and this is NOT my permission to do so), it could never feel like a satifying end because the player would be railroaded into a reaction that might not be how their own Shepard would react.  Horizon, anyone?

*goes back to writing*

[JECWSU]

kaimanaMM wrote...

See, that's the thing.

Plenty of people say they'd be alright with Thane's death if it was meaningful.  But what is meaningful to your Shepard may not be meaningful to my Shepard and vice versa.  How do you make his death meaningful, with an appropriate reaction from Shepard that is in-line with your personal Shepard considering no two Shepards are alike?  Not just that, but Shepard at times has all the emotion of a tin can.

Do people really think that BW would make Thane's death an epic moment wherein we watch as he goes out, guns blazing and we're each allowed to reflect on our time spent with him and contemplate our own existance while the galaxy crumbles around us and we reach to the sky with hopeless hands screaming, 'NOOOOoooooo!'.  Ok, maybe a little too much there.

The point is, no matter how they killed him (and this is NOT my permission to do so), it could never feel like a satifying end because the player would be railroaded into a reaction that might not be how their own Shepard would react.  Horizon, anyone?

*goes back to writing*

I don't think there is anyway they could satisfy everyone with the right reaction from Shepard.

No I really don't believe that Bioware would write a good epic death scene for Thane. It would be something silly like him falling off a cliff or just getting shot and dying. That would be it, and Shepard wouldn probably not reflect at all. The question was never could they do it. Of course they could. The question is would they do it. I just don't thik they would. This does not mean I want him to die.  As I have said before I want him alive, and I want some kind of happy ending for Thane and Shepard.

Modifié par JECWSU, 30 avril 2011 - 02:41 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I have no doubt BioWare could think up an epic and possibly romantic death scene for Thane. I do have doubt that they could integrate Shepard seamlessly into it. That is to say, make her react accordingly.

[JECWSU]

I think she showed a little bit of fear when talking to Liara about Thane in LotSB. I would like to know how she feels about the letter he wrote or the fact that he refused to be put on the transplant list.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I second that, Ava. Shepard's reaction is the only thing that stands between Thane's death and survival as far as I'm concerned.