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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

SoulfulStarfish wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

How very poised you are there Mr. Krios...

Although I prefer a little drell chest exposure myself

Also, if there is a Thane-related Easter egg in ME3, any ideas on what Easter eggs could be incorporated?

Okay, here's some Drell Chest....



Hmmm Easter Eggs.....Mabye like the Legion one were he does a really cool dance or some kind of "special conversation." Haven't really got any ideas of what it would be about. Mabye a fun, jokey convo. 

Hehe, like the 'dance crazy' thing? I would totally love that! And love this picture too .

I was thinking of a lapse into solipsism of something that happened in ME2.

Edit: Just leaving this here http://social.biowar...index/7219869/1 A super poll in which Thane doesn't have many supporters as of yet. Just post your top 5 characters .

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 03 mai 2011 - 10:08 .

[kaimanaMM]

Hello Ed!  Can I call you Ed?  

Thane-related goodies for ME3?

Something about dancing crazy.

Shirtless Thane.

Something where Shepard asks Thane how he's doing and he gets to reply with, 'No need to worry about me, how are you feeling?"  (A riff on that last convo loop.)

Shirtless Thane.

An email from Kolyat saying he knows what happened in his closet.  (Bonus points for anyone who gets that.)

Shirtless Thane.

I'm actually pretty interested in ME3 taking a more melee-focused turn.  Does that mean we'll see Thane's bonus power go from Shredder Ammo to Epic Neck Snap?  Because that would be pretty awesome.

Also, Thane.

[JECWSU]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Hello Ed!  Can I call you Ed?  

Thane-related goodies for ME3?

Something about dancing crazy.

Shirtless Thane.

Something where Shepard asks Thane how he's doing and he gets to reply with, 'No need to worry about me, how are you feeling?"  (A riff on that last convo loop.)

Shirtless Thane.

An email from Kolyat saying he knows what happened in his closet.  (Bonus points for anyone who gets that.)

Shirtless Thane.

I'm actually pretty interested in ME3 taking a more melee-focused turn.  Does that mean we'll see Thane's bonus power go from Shredder Ammo to Epic Neck Snap?  Because that would be pretty awesome.

Also, Thane.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here Kai and I agree. Shirtless Thane would be great. 
His son's closet. I guess they couldn't wait. Unless I'm wrong and he was doing something else in that closet.
 
I agree about the melee. Shredder ammo was ok, but I would have liked something else for his bounus power. Neck Snap would have been better.

If they did give Thane a different bonus power what do you think it would be?

Modifié par JECWSU, 04 mai 2011 - 12:43 .

[Raiil]

If they gave him a different power?


I am totally down with the neck snap, or the elbow of doom.

[R Rarzy]

Maybe some kind of fancy dodging biotic counter-attack? The little flip he does in the blur trailer before hitting the Collectors with Pull and setting them up for Grunt's shotty comes to mind.

[Clonedzero]

i mean i know this is full of huge Thane fans, but wouldnt the concept of curing him or whatever ruin his story arch?

i mean the entire point of his character was that he was an assassin who was terminally ill using his last few months to do what little good he could for the galaxy. he was super self reflective which was amplified by him being a drell with perfect memory.

so wouldnt him being cured and living like completely ruin that entire thing? im not saying i want him to die, im saying that he's a character who's character development arch was completely based off the fact that he was dying. if he suddenly wasn't dying anymore it'd cheapen his entire arch.

i just dont see how they could include him in ME3 without completely ruining his character and making that entire reflective nature of his character development meaningless.

[Collider]

I think it's important that they don't treat his illness lightly. But I don't think curing him would ruin his character, really. Being cured could actually offer some interesting character development as he reacts to his new freedom. Some people feel like Thane's arc is sort of "done" already by the end of ME2 - you've reunited him with his son, given him purpose, and he's basically at "peace" with his eventual death. Unless they think of something else new for him, just keeping him ill could mean stagnancy of his character.

Though, I really think it's best if the question of whether he is cured is left ambiguous or something to be done at the end of the game.

ME3 talk:

How long after ME2 does ME3 start anyway? If I recall correctly, Thane said he had a certain amount of months before the disease would start affecting him. IIRC, he doesn't specify when he thinks he will die. Potentially he could be on the squad in ME3 and just be "sick" as the disease slowly cripples him.

[kaimanaMM]

Clonedzero wrote...

i mean i know this is full of huge Thane fans, but wouldnt the concept of curing him or whatever ruin his story arch?

i mean the entire point of his character was that he was an assassin who was terminally ill using his last few months to do what little good he could for the galaxy. he was super self reflective which was amplified by him being a drell with perfect memory.

I thought the entire point of his character was that he's no longer at peace with his death.  That Shepard, friend or lover, woke him up.  

so wouldnt him being cured and living like completely ruin that entire thing? im not saying i want him to die, im saying that he's a character who's character development arch was completely based off the fact that he was dying. if he suddenly wasn't dying anymore it'd cheapen his entire arch.

Must resist urge to post 'oh look, it's this **** again' image.  No, it wouldn't cheapen his story arc.  Firstly, the codex says Kepral's Syndrome is a slow acting disease, not to mention Thane tells you he has 8 to 12 months before he becomes incapcitated, not dead.  ME3 starts 2 months after the events of Arrival.  So that alone pokes holes in the theory that Thane's dead before ME3 even hits the shelves.  Secondly, you may see Thane's character arc as completely based off that he was dying, but I see completely the opposite, as I pointed out above.  So, because Thane met up with Shepard and found a renewed sense of self and a reason for living (friend or romance) we shouldn't see that play out in ME3 because it would lessen his story?  I think what would cheapen his story is not being allowed to see how the events of ME2 shaped Thane's character evolution.

i just dont see how they could include him in ME3 without completely ruining his character and making that entire reflective nature of his character development meaningless.

I do.  Easily.  I don't think the situation with treatment / cure should be handled lightly.  It has the potential to be a poignant moment in the story that could invest the player even further in the character and the narrative.  What would make his story meaningless is the player not being allowed to explore this new path Thane has found himself on.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Collider wrote...

I think it's important that they don't treat his illness lightly. But I don't think curing him would ruin his character, really. Being cured could actually offer some interesting character development as he reacts to his new freedom. Some people feel like Thane's arc is sort of "done" already by the end of ME2 - you've reunited him with his son, given him purpose, and he's basically at "peace" with his eventual death. Unless they think of something else new for him, just keeping him ill could mean stagnancy of his character.

Though, I really think it's best if the question of whether he is cured is left ambiguous or something to be done at the end of the game.

I'm not quite sure this applies to a romanced Thane, Collider.

ME3 talk:

How long after ME2 does ME3 start anyway? If I recall correctly, Thane said he had a certain amount of months before the disease would start affecting him. IIRC, he doesn't specify when he thinks he will die. Potentially he could be on the squad in ME3 and just be "sick" as the disease slowly cripples him.

According to the new French magazine reveal, ME3 starts two months following the events of Arrival, whereas Thane states he has 8-12 months until his illness incapacitates him (NOT kills him), so it's probably safe to assume that Thane will be fine by the start of ME3. But I don't know.

[Raiil]

@Cloned tbh there's a part of me that feels like he could be ruined that way, via s---ty story writing, in which case I'd prefer to the death. I know I'm probably in the minority here but staying true to the character > keeping him alive but so fundamentally different that he's not the character I know.


@ Fiery

Yeah, but let's be realistic: there are limited resources here and any difference between Thane's motivations between a romanced Thane and non-romanced are most likely going to be strictly dialogue. If anything, I could figure that perhaps Kolyat was the one who pushed Thane to get treatment (since he's alive in every possible playthrough iirc) and if Thane was romanced, there will dialogue acknowledging that Shepard also convinced him or that that Thane is doing it partially to have more time with her.


@Kaimana Is there dialogue in game where Thane says he's no longer content with death with a friendshipped Thane? I've never not romanced him and youtube's not giving me anything but romance.

[JECWSU]

I really don't understand the fascination with his death either. How does a cure or a way to prolong his life ruin him? It doesn't. He dies and then what? Absolutely nothing. We won't hear about him and I doubt Shepard would even mention him. Some people seem to be under the impression that we would get some kind of epic death scene. I doubt they would do anything like that. Also we don't even know if Bioware ever really intended on letting Thane die.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I know that his death influences his character in ME2, but he was someone before his Keprel's syndrome too. In fact, I think that his profession as an assassin has influenced his character (and his entire past) more than his mortality.

However, I am in the group that doesn't want a magical cure for Thane. It needs to be something that is worked for, or a way of unnaturally prolonging his life, providing a choice to Shepard between something ethically murky or saving Thane.

Yeah I know: Screw ethics!!

[TheSweetGirl]

^Agreed with Kaimana and Tasha

I finally got a dream about Thane(usually it is Garrus and I die every time he is in my dreams. XDD Stop getting me killed, Garrus. Yoou sexy turian XDDDD ) YAY!! We cuddled. XDDDD

Strange because Mass Effect has been the last thing on my mind since exams. Ugh glad those are done...until fall. XD

Anyway back on topic, I want to visit Kahje. What do you guys believe the planet will look like? I would love to see Thane talk to some Hanar(I still predict that the Hanar's love for the Protheans may have some usefulness to us in ME3.)

[abnocte]

Clonedzero wrote...

i mean i know this is full of huge Thane fans, but wouldnt the concept of curing him or whatever ruin his story arch?

i mean the entire point of his character was that he was an assassin who was terminally ill using his last few months to do what little good he could for the galaxy. he was super self reflective which was amplified by him being a drell with perfect memory.

And here I thought the reason Thane was killing those people was because he looked into the darkness and the darkness looked back at him...

Irikah was murdered because he killed some big fish.
He went out looking for revenge. For the first time Thane got emotionally involved in his killing.
He hunted them, killed them, but let them linger, suffer. For the first time.
And when he was done, what had he left? 
When he hunted those people, when he killed them, what made Thane different from them?

Thane saw what he had become. He was no different than the ones that murdered Irikah. How could he go back and rise a son like that?

So the only way he could differenciate himself from those murderers was to choose his own targets. And he choose to use his skills for killing people like Nassana.

His illness plays no part in that decision, at best it only helped him filter the list of people he wanted to kill before he becomes incapacitated.

Clonedzero wrote...

so wouldnt him being cured and living like completely ruin that entire thing? im not saying i want him to die, im saying that he's a character who's character development arch was completely based off the fact that he was dying. if he suddenly wasn't dying anymore it'd cheapen his entire arch.

 

Getting him cured won't ruin him, bad writing will.

You can find countless books/movies/etc that address in different ways the last moments of a character with a terminal illness, but how many adress a character that after giving up all hope, gets cured and has to find his new place in the world. 
Thane was an assassin, he knew no better, and even when ill he kept doing the only thing he knew how to do. But if he gets cured, if we survive the reapers invasion, what will he do?

That is much more challenging for writers than just killing him off.

Clonedzero wrote...


i just dont see how they could include him in ME3 without completely ruining his character and making that entire reflective nature of his character development meaningless.

He will be in ME3. He said he had around a year before Kepral's incapacitates him, not before he dies. And killing him off screen is even worse than killing him, and much worse than magically curing him.

Modifié par abnocte, 04 mai 2011 - 09:53 .

[hanar05]

Thane should be alright at the start of ME3 assuming the events of ME2 took place a few over months. I definitely think we will at least be seeing him again in Mass Effect 3 and I would assume he will even have a part to play in the events of ME3, especially considering that he is a love interest for Shepard.

What his situation is remains to be seen but I have hope that he will be there for Shepard once again

[wildannie]

I think that Thane continuing to refuse treatment when he has managed to reach out to his son, and potentially found love or friendship with Shepard would be more damaging to his story arc than his seeking treatment/cure.
Thane realizing/being made to realize that fighting for his life is something worthwhile could be interesting... well it is to me anyway.

[hanar05]

wildannie wrote...

I think that Thane continuing to refuse treatment when he has managed to reach out to his son, and potentially found love or friendship with Shepard would be more damaging to his story arc than his seeking treatment/cure.
Thane realizing/being made to realize that fighting for his life is something worthwhile could be interesting... well it is to me anyway.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Sable Rhapsody]

*pokes head back into Thane thread*  How are you lovely ladies (and gents) doing?  The Anders-fugue is out of it's acute state and onto a more subdued chronic, so now I'm finally getting back into Mass Effect.  If Portal 2 doesn't eat my brain now, that is 

hanar05 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

I think that Thane continuing to refuse treatment when he has managed to reach out to his son, and potentially found love or friendship with Shepard would be more damaging to his story arc than his seeking treatment/cure.
Thane realizing/being made to realize that fighting for his life is something worthwhile could be interesting... well it is to me anyway.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Then Thane's fate should depend on how things went down in ME2.  I have one Shep who succeeded his quest and became brotastic with him, and one Shep who seriously did not get along with Thane.  It'd be nice to think that how the companions turn out depends on not only whether they're alive but also on whether they're loyal/friendly to Shep at the end of ME2.

[Raiil]

JECWSU wrote...

I really don't understand the fascination with his death either. How does a cure or a way to prolong his life ruin him? It doesn't. He dies and then what? Absolutely nothing. We won't hear about him and I doubt Shepard would even mention him. Some people seem to be under the impression that we would get some kind of epic death scene. I doubt they would do anything like that. Also we don't even know if Bioware ever really intended on letting Thane die.

You seem to be under the impression that he won't. We don't know, and dismissing the possibility isn't any better than saying it will definitely occur.

It's not a fascination with his death. It's acknowledging that Thane has, as we know it, very little time left. Liara points it out if you speak with her post-Shadow Broker. It plays a part even in the romance, where he is scared and ashamed that he's now afraid to die, and he'll speak of how strange it is to reawaken with so little time left.

I'd like Thane to live. I'd like my Shepard to finally get something totally awesome that doesn't involve her being blown up, set on fire, going through freaky relays, getting dumped by her boyfriend or dealing with the trauma of being stitched back from pieces and all the potential existensial angst that comes with that.

But I'd rather see a Thane I know, recognise, and care for die than a crappily written Thane live. It's not about the death, it's about the character himself. I don't hate him, I don't wish for him to be wiped from the galaxy, hell I'm trying to plan out my renagon playthrough algorithm and he's the one character who must absolutely survive with me. But yeah, a dead Thane who's true to what I recognise and grew attached to is infinitely better than some pale imitation of the wonderfully layered and complex assassin.

I wish people would recognise that acknowledging and coming to terms with a LI's death isn't the same thing as actively wishing for it. And that even if they are, it might be because they think it's in the interest of good storytelling. 

[CrimsonLuna]

      I've  have  been lurking in this awesome thread ,   so  today I decided to join in lol
        I have fallen deeply for Thane
       
Hopefully in ME3 there will be options for Thane.  I think it should be based on what kind of relationship that players had with him. For me I better have the option of a cure for him , Since he is my  LI .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Welcome aboard, Luna!

[JECWSU]

Valentia X wrote...

You seem to be under the impression that he won't. We don't know, and dismissing the possibility isn't any better than saying it will definitely occur.

It's not a fascination with his death. It's acknowledging that Thane has, as we know it, very little time left. Liara points it out if you speak with her post-Shadow Broker. It plays a part even in the romance, where he is scared and ashamed that he's now afraid to die, and he'll speak of how strange it is to reawaken with so little time left.

I'd like Thane to live. I'd like my Shepard to finally get something totally awesome that doesn't involve her being blown up, set on fire, going through freaky relays, getting dumped by her boyfriend or dealing with the trauma of being stitched back from pieces and all the potential existensial angst that comes with that.

But I'd rather see a Thane I know, recognise, and care for die than a crappily written Thane live. It's not about the death, it's about the character himself. I don't hate him, I don't wish for him to be wiped from the galaxy, hell I'm trying to plan out my renagon playthrough algorithm and he's the one character who must absolutely survive with me. But yeah, a dead Thane who's true to what I recognise and grew attached to is infinitely better than some pale imitation of the wonderfully layered and complex assassin.

I wish people would recognise that acknowledging and coming to terms with a LI's death isn't the same thing as actively wishing for it. And that even if they are, it might be because they think it's in the interest of good storytelling. 

You have more faith in them I guess. He isn't the most popular character like Garrus or Tali. He isn't the writers favorite like Liara. Maybe you are right and they will surprise me, but not so far. I really didn't think the Ashley or Kaidans death was all that epic. Maybe for some it was, but not for me. Who ever dies in the suicide mission was certainly was not epic. What ever they decide to do with Thane I just want it to be written well.

What makes you think that I don't know the difference between coming to terms with his death and wishing for it.  Everyone here knows that there is a real possibility that Thane could die in ME3.  I never once said you or anyone else wished for his death. All I said was I don't understand why out of everything you learn about him some people choose to focus on that.  Thane is going to die. He won't be in ME3 because he'll be dead. Thane shouldn't be cured. A cure would ruin his character. Most of the time this is all we ever see.

Modifié par JECWSU, 05 mai 2011 - 07:24 .

[JECWSU]

CrimsonLuna wrote...

      I've  have  been lurking in this awesome thread ,   so  today I decided to join in lol
        I have fallen deeply for Thane
       
Hopefully in ME3 there will be options for Thane.  I think it should be based on what kind of relationship that players had with him. For me I better have the option of a cure for him , Since he is my  LI .

Welcome CrimsonLuna

I would be very happy if they gave us the option to cure him, or at least prolong his life. Those who want to keep him alive can, and those who don't want him alive can let him die. My option is like yours. I would definitely choose cure.