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[mnomaha]

Yeah, I get that Jecw, but the fact that Raphael did it just for his fans went a long way in my books. He didn't have to do it at all. The fact that he responded is cool, and more than Keythe did.

Would I take Kaidan back, hell no, but I don't exactly hate him anymore. I still think he's a douchebag for Horizon, but I reserve my hate for bi...those who deserve it.

edit: TOP!

Was gonna put up something sexier but got distracted by Zevran...

I don't know where we got this or who made this but it is awesome!!!

Modifié par mnomaha, 13 octobre 2012 - 09:00 .

[Twilight_Princess]

DineBoo wrote...

My friends! I've found you again! I was having withdrawals.

Regarding the DLC, I love me some turians but even I would want to see established characters (Miri, Jack, Giana, Shiala et all) before female turians.

I've stopped during my playthroughs for science. It was getting depressing. I picked up Alpha Protocol cheaply and had a blast. I wish I could play a female in that game.

And, that's it from me. For now at least.

I am happy they made a female turian at last. Took them forever , I just hope they don't pull a Tali ....or a dark horse (bald turians??? WTF?) but like you said yourself boo I am in a place now where HONESTLY I would be more happy if ME2 characters got thier content.  And I'm a big ol garrus/anything turian related fangirl so that says something.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 13 octobre 2012 - 02:05 .

[coldwetn0se]

One thing I am curious about is what really makes this new content worth more money than the average downloadable content? I also wonder, based on what I have read, if they don't plan to use the regular squaddies. Instead the player is slotted to have Aria and this new female Turian as Shepard's team. No concrete info on this, of course, but still some speculate (as per instructed...*snicker!*)

It doesn't matter to someone like me, but I can imagine if I had been a person still interested in playing me3, that I would want to play with the known squad lineup. Take Arrival, for example. One of my many gripes with that mission was the fact that you pretty much go it alone, except for a small portion with Dr. Kenison (or whatever the hell her name was). It just felt like "random shooter game" in that DLC, since what helps with immersion is the relationships you have built, and how they come into play throughout the game. At least that's how it is for me; YMMV.

[Roxy]

Female Turian is good...but fixing what they screwed up with Thane and the ME 2 characters is what would be better! And I'm sure they would get more positive feedback than what they are getting now!

@Mnomaha   *coughs* I did that pic of shep and Thane *coughs* *coughs*

Modifié par Roxy, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

Yeah, I get that Jecw, but the fact that Raphael did it just for his fans went a long way in my books. He didn't have to do it at all. The fact that he responded is cool, and more than Keythe did.

Would I take Kaidan back, hell no, but I don't exactly hate him anymore. I still think he's a douchebag for Horizon, but I reserve my hate for bi...those who deserve it.

I agree.
I think what he did for his fans was great. Especially since he didn't have to do it. He just wanted to do something nice for them.
I think I could have gotten over horizon eventually, but then in ME3 he starts with badgering Shepard about Cerberus more than once. I really didn't like that.

There wouldn't be any going back for my shepard either.

Now if we could just get Bioware to fix what they did to Thane.

[mnomaha]

*ahem* Louvette has been busy on Tumblr...

http://louvette.tumb...ution-for-thane

[Sable Rhapsody]

coldwetn0se wrote...
One thing I am curious about is what really makes this new content worth more money than the average downloadable content?

I'm not one of the people opposed to DLC on principle (even day one DLC is ok provided it actually WAS implemented later and not on the disk like Javik). I do usually buy and play DLC for my games, and BioWare's tends to be better than industry average in general.

Emeraldfern wrote...
A recap of her thoughts is in order perhaps?

Your mom is awesome.  Though I do think she should at least hear Kaidan's letter as done by Sbarge at some point.  If nothing else, it's a good piece of VA work.

JECW wrote...
Then there was what he did in ME3 that annoyed me all over again.

Plus after meeting Thane there was no going back.

Having played with both Ash and Kaidan in ME3, neither of them romanced, I can definitely say that Ash is 1000 times worse about Cerberus than Kaidan ever was.  I barred Ash from my ship.  And this is my FemShep who by and large was quite forgiving after Horizon, hated Cerberus herself.  Kaidan's concerns about Cerberus came off much more reasonable to me, and by the end of ME3, he was one of the few bright spots in the game.

That being said, I think Ash/Kaidan owes Shep more of the benefit of the doubt if romanced.  Here's a person you claimed to love--the least you could do is trust them and support them.  And it certainly hurts a lot more after Horizon

[Roxy]

mnomaha wrote...

*ahem* Louvette has been busy on Tumblr...

http://louvette.tumb...ution-for-thane

[coldwetn0se]

Roxy wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

*ahem* Louvette has been busy on Tumblr...

http://louvette.tumb...ution-for-thane

That made my weekend!  Thanks to mnomaha and Roxy for bringing it to attention here, and THANK YOU Louvette.  Stunning and a great gafaw...DRELL BUTTS RULE!

[JECW]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

JECW wrote...
Then there was what he did in ME3 that annoyed me all over again.

Plus after meeting Thane there was no going back.

Having played with both Ash and Kaidan in ME3, neither of them romanced, I can definitely say that Ash is 1000 times worse about Cerberus than Kaidan ever was.  I barred Ash from my ship.  And this is my FemShep who by and large was quite forgiving after Horizon, hated Cerberus herself.  Kaidan's concerns about Cerberus came off much more reasonable to me, and by the end of ME3, he was one of the few bright spots in the game.

That being said, I think Ash/Kaidan owes Shep more of the benefit of the doubt if romanced.  Here's a person you claimed to love--the least you could do is trust them and support them.  And it certainly hurts a lot more after Horizon

I've heard that Ashley didn't have it as good as Kaidan in ME3. Outside of a romance she didn't have much to talk about. I thought Kaidan was a bit lacking but I guess Ashley was worse.

I guess it must have been bad if you had to bar her from your ship.
Did you let Diana Allers aboard?

For me the one bright spot was Garrus. After the huge disappointment with Thane I really didn't want to do another playthrough. I lost intrest in finishing my Kaidan playthrough so I did my Shepard with Garrus. It is the only other playthrough I have completed. I really enjoyed it. I wish Thane could have gotten some kind of date because the one with Garrus was really nice. Even withouth the romance you get to do that with him.

Modifié par JECW, 14 octobre 2012 - 07:52 .

[DragonSlayer63]

Finally found this thread yesterday. I'm glad we still have some place to discuss!

Since you're talking about Kaidan... I will forever regret choosing to romance Kaidan in ME2's interactive backstory. The first I got to see of him was him whining about Cerberus, then leaving my Shepard. The letter didn't really make any difference. I felt like I had broken up with him so I had no problem with starting a romance with Thane. Then in ME3 Kaidan whines some more and I'm forced to apologize for (or lie about) "cheating" on him. Seriously, what the ****? He left me and I'm supposed to just sit and wait for him to come back?! The last straw was how he tried to rekindle our romance right after Thane had died. If he really cared about Shepard he would ask her how she is doing and offer some comfort -- not try to take the place of her dead lover. That whole experience totally ruined Kaidan for me, which is sad, because many players seem to like him.

And about the upcoming Omega DLC... I have mixed feelings. I like Aria and I've always wanted to be able to romance her. But if they really make her an LI and don't intend to add any new male LIs (or improve the current ones), then... I think I will cry. Not because I don't like Aria (because I do), but because that would really add to the feeling that they don't give a crap about female players.

[mnomaha]

Well, they probably think Aria is the perfect solution for both sexes. You know, the whole Asari thing.

I don't plan on getting it. Why would I want a new LI when my only LI is currently broken? **** that. I only want Thane. I don't plan on buying anything until that's fixed. I'll just rent the games or something. At least that way, a local store is getting the money and not some grubby, greedy, game ruining corporation.

[JECW]

DragonSlayer63 wrote...

Finally found this thread yesterday. I'm glad we still have some place to discuss!

Since you're talking about Kaidan... I will forever regret choosing to romance Kaidan in ME2's interactive backstory. The first I got to see of him was him whining about Cerberus, then leaving my Shepard. The letter didn't really make any difference. I felt like I had broken up with him so I had no problem with starting a romance with Thane. Then in ME3 Kaidan whines some more and I'm forced to apologize for (or lie about) "cheating" on him. Seriously, what the ****? He left me and I'm supposed to just sit and wait for him to come back?! The last straw was how he tried to rekindle our romance right after Thane had died. If he really cared about Shepard he would ask her how she is doing and offer some comfort -- not try to take the place of her dead lover. That whole experience totally ruined Kaidan for me, which is sad, because many players seem to like him.

And about the upcoming Omega DLC... I have mixed feelings. I like Aria and I've always wanted to be able to romance her. But if they really make her an LI and don't intend to add any new male LIs (or improve the current ones), then... I think I will cry. Not because I don't like Aria (because I do), but because that would really add to the feeling that they don't give a crap about female players.

Everything you said about the Kaidan situaton I completely agree with. I really did like him in ME1 though.

I don't think I will be very happy if they make Aria a romance option. I like Aria as well, but they already have other romances that they need to fix. What about the people who were lead to believe they could romance Samara. Then bioware turnes around and give a romance to Aria. Someone who isn't even on your team. What about the rest of the ME2 romances. Especially Thane and Jacob. I highly doubt they give a new male LI though.

If they do give Aria a romance and they make it better than what they gave the ME2 romances in ME3 I will be more than pissed at them.

[coldwetn0se]

I could be wrong, but I suspect some people have gotten their hopes up in regards to Aria as a LI. If I was to guess, I would speculate that she will have a 'Shiala' treatment (ala ME2) at best. A flirt or two, and a "suggestion". This doesn't endear me to this downloadable content, but I think at best it is wishful think for those that want to "break omega's first rule" (which BTW, I am REALLY beginning to hate that line because of the BSN...HA!) >.<

Ah hell, who am I kidding, none of it interests me at this time......I wonder if they will ever want to market their products to someone like me (and others here, I could guess) again? sigh.

[JECW]

I don't even get why Cerberus wanted Omega in the first place.
I don't plan on buying it either. I have zero intrest in anything from Bioware at this point.

[mnomaha]

I don't even know why we are taking it back since the reapers win anyways.

[JECW]

That's the problem.
These DLC's mean nothing since we know what will happen in the end. What is the point?

[mnomaha]

Exactly. I'm assuming they thought people were going to like ME3 a lot more when they planned all these crappy things out.

Sorry....

No Thane...no game. I can and will withhold all my money from bioware, including DA3, until this is addressed and fixed by bioware.

[coldwetn0se]

I would be okay with these DLC's if a few things were already true (or added/changed in new DLC): One, regardless of Sheps fate, the ending was better presented, and high ems truly gave you significantly better options. Hell, even if the outcome was all the same, if the last battle felt like a damn battle and how well you fared was reflected in what kind of assets you collected, THAT would have been much more satisfying (I look to DAO as an example. To win the game, you have to kill the archdemon, but how you go about it, and how much easier it is to reach your goal, is affected by what you did during the game.).

Two, my immersion was breaking too much with forced comments and emotions that Shepard was saying without my input. ugh. Plus some of the dialogue was cringeworthy. However, if they started giving us the "voice" back in new DLC's, that would be something.

Three, the big one; give us choices/player agency on saving/extending Thane's life. Do NOT negate my choice of LI. He was a legitimate choice, he should have stayed that way (that goes for Jacob as well). Under these circumstances, I could get behind any and all kinds of new content. But apparently I am not the customer they are looking for.....


**EDIT**
Hell, I am going to take back my first issue.  I may not like the endings, but I could live with them (or just switch it off before the beam run), if those other two were considered. (at least the Thane one.....yup; I am that narrow sighted at this point.)

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:19 .

[mnomaha]

coldwetn0se wrote...

I would be okay with these DLC's if a few things were already true (or added/changed in new DLC): One, regardless of Sheps fate, the ending was better presented, and high ems truly gave you significantly better options. Hell, even if the outcome was all the same, if the last battle felt like a damn battle and how well you fared was reflected in what kind of assets you collected, THAT would have been much more satisfying (I look to DAO as an example. To win the game, you have to kill the archdemon, but how you go about it, and how much easier it is to reach your goal, is affected by what you did during the game.).

Two, my immersion was breaking too much with forced comments and emotions that Shepard was saying without my input. ugh. Plus some of the dialogue was cringeworthy. However, if they started giving us the "voice" back in new DLC's, that would be something.

Three, the big one; give us choices/player agency on saving/extending Thane's life. Do NOT negate my choice of LI. He was a legitimate choice, he should have stayed that way (that goes for Jacob as well). Under these circumstances, I could get behind any and all kinds of new content. But apparently I am not the customer they are looking for.....


**EDIT**
Hell, I am going to take back my first issue.  I may not like the endings, but I could live with them (or just switch it off before the beam run), if those other two were considered. (at least the Thane one.....yup; I am that narrow sighted at this point.)

Exactly. I don't appreciate being given, CREATED, a legitimate choice only to be cruelly informed that it is not bioware's canon choice. That is wrong. Do not give me the option of a choice and then choose for me.  I am an adult and I do not need anyone making my choices. And as a full rate paying adult, I am solely responsible for making all the financial decisions in my life, which will no longer include bioware. It is like Coldi said, I am not the customer they are looking for, therefore I will go fulfill someone elses criteria and *they* can have my money, and more importantly, my loyalty.

I am also joining Coldi in her narrow sightedness. I have RL to give me the finger, I don't need to pay bioware to do the same.

[giftfish]

mnomaha wrote...

*ahem* Louvette has been busy on Tumblr...

http://louvette.tumb...ution-for-thane

ZOMG

@Coldi -- You and utaker both live in my head.

@Emerald -- Omg I  LOVE  reading the posts about your mom.  Keep them coming!!

[Falaxe]

[mnomaha]

Well, hello Falaxe.

Thane pictures always welcomed, except for that one in the old (new) forum. I never did figure it out.

[Roxy]

JECW wrote...


Everything you said about the Kaidan situaton I completely agree with. I really did like him in ME1 though.

I don't think I will be very happy if they make Aria a romance option. I like Aria as well, but they already have other romances that they need to fix. What about the people who were lead to believe they could romance Samara. Then bioware turnes around and give a romance to Aria. Someone who isn't even on your team. What about the rest of the ME2 romances. Especially Thane and Jacob. I highly doubt they give a new male LI though.

If they do give Aria a romance and they make it better than what they gave the ME2 romances in ME3 I will be more than pissed at them.

I agree on that...before they come up with another romance option they need to fix ME 2 characters...especially Thane and Jacobs! I've never palyed a game where you get punished by romancing a character you like the most and not romancing the company's favorite! Lame and rude Bioware!


@Falaxe   Hello there!

[Sable Rhapsody]

JECW wrote...
I've heard that Ashley didn't have it as good as Kaidan in ME3. Outside of a romance she didn't have much to talk about. I thought Kaidan was a bit lacking but I guess Ashley was worse.

I guess it must have been bad if you had to bar her from your ship.
Did you let Diana Allers aboard?

I let Allers on my ship even though I barred Ash.  I don't like Allers in a meta sense, but her in-game presence was ok.  Just for some perspective, I was really nice to Ash for the first part of ME3 before deciding, "F*** it.  You've gotta at least try to meet me halfway."  I actually went back and replayed ME3 a second time with the same Shep and an edited import for Kaidan just because Ash drove me up the wall.

Ash IMO suffered from a new writer in ME3 whereas Kaidan was improved by it. 

mnomaha wrote...
No Thane...no game. I can and will withhold all my money from bioware, including DA3, until this is addressed and fixed by bioware.

Call me optimistic, but I'm willing to give DA3 a chance.  It's not the same development team.  And just because David Gaider said in one tweet that he liked Thane's death scene in ME3 is no indication that he'll pull anything similar in DA3.  When there are romances that can end very badly (Anders, Morrigan, Alistair) you're always given plenty of warning.  

I do think the general unsavory business practices carry over from dev team to dev team, and it showed in how rushed DA2 was.  But I don't think DA2 was ever negligent or came with unfortunate implications the way the treatment of Thane or Jacob did in ME3.  

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:44 .