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[WindOverTuchanka]

ZennExile wrote...

Thane has a terminal illness. It defines his entire character role in ME2. If he doesn't die it will be like Bioware taking a big smelly "Superman 64" on all of you Thane fans. So he should in fact die for your sake.

/thread

I am technically not a Thane fan, but I'll bite. Hey, discussion for the sake of discussion, on the internets, nothing good ever comes out of it, but I am still biting.

Thane's terminal illness defines his character for those who do not romance him.
For those who do, he is defined by the fact that he has suddenly found a newfound will to live. You see, Thane already turns 180 during the final romance scene. This has already happened. In ME2.

So, to follow your logic, they should continue evoloving characters in the direction they have set now. That means Thane dying if not romanced, and Thane living if romanced.

*waves hand* all right,let the little flame war continue.

[BobbyTheI]

It's so cute to see you still trying so hard, Zenny baby.

Where to next? Go take on those Jacob supporters, there's a formidable opponent.

To all you Thane lovers:  ZennExile is having a bit of a temper tantrum.  Mass Effect 2 didn't turn out the way he wanted it to (i.e. exactly like ME1), so he's spreading his charming hate around a bit.  He isn't a fan of character threads, it seems, and tried his best to dump all over the Jack thread.  Now that we're not biting anymore, he's decided to pay you all a visit.

Do what I do: treat every post of his like a completely black wall of nothing.  Because you're just as likely to get anything intelligent from that, and you'll get as much result from debating one as well.

From all of us at the Jack thread:  have fun. 

Modifié par BobbyTheI, 25 février 2010 - 07:45 .

[WindOverTuchanka]

BobbyTheI wrote...

It's so cute to see you still trying so hard, Zenny baby.

Where to next? Go take on those Jacob supporters, there's a formidable opponent.

Ironically, they are on the frontpage now. And they are building biomass.

[RayneMoon]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Thane has a terminal illness. It defines his entire character role in ME2. If he doesn't die it will be like Bioware taking a big smelly "Superman 64" on all of you Thane fans. So he should in fact die for your sake.

/thread

I am technically not a Thane fan, but I'll bite. Hey, discussion for the sake of discussion, on the internets, nothing good ever comes out of it, but I am still biting.

Thane's terminal illness defines his character for those who do not romance him.
For those who do, he is defined by the fact that he has suddenly found a newfound will to live. You see, Thane already turns 180 during the final romance scene. This has already happened. In ME2.

So, to follow your logic, they should continue evoloving characters in the direction they have set now. That means Thane dying if not romanced, and Thane living if romanced.

*waves hand* all right,let the little flame war continue.

Agreed. It shouldn't be forced upon players in ME3, but I romanced him and would like an option to save him.

[BunnyisCthulhu]

BobbyTheI wrote...

It's so cute to see you still trying so hard, Zenny baby.

Where to next? Go take on those Jacob supporters, there's a formidable opponent.

To all you Thane lovers:  ZennExile is having a bit of a temper tantrum.  Mass Effect 2 didn't turn out the way he wanted it to (i.e. exactly like ME1), so he's spreading his charming hate around a bit.  He isn't a fan of character threads, it seems, and tried his best to dump all over the Jack thread.  Now that we're not biting anymore, he's decided to pay you all a visit.

Do what I do: treat every post of his like a completely black wall of nothing.  Because you're just as likely to get anything intelligent from that, and you'll get as much result from debating one as well.

From all of us at the Jack thread:  have fun. 

Thanks Bobby, you have fun too! Jack's a wonderful character, I'll make sure to pop over and say hi to you guys <3

It was clear Zenn was throwing his rattle out of the pram, but hey while it's easier to listen to one negative comment than the hundreds of positive, we are 550 strong now in supporting for an optional cure. So let's keep smiling and having fun:happy:

[Hulk Hsieh]

There can't be choices in everything. Even when there's choices for Shepard to try, the result doesn't always what she/he want. I would like the choice to recruit Anderson, and I got the dialog option to do so. But in the end, he never join.



I think female Shepard have already got her choices with Thane, and with enough information to make the decision. She knew Thane is dying, and she could still choose to love him.

[Aynslie]

RayneMoon wrote...

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Thane has a terminal illness. It defines his entire character role in ME2. If he doesn't die it will be like Bioware taking a big smelly "Superman 64" on all of you Thane fans. So he should in fact die for your sake.

/thread

I am technically not a Thane fan, but I'll bite. Hey, discussion for the sake of discussion, on the internets, nothing good ever comes out of it, but I am still biting.

Thane's terminal illness defines his character for those who do not romance him.
For those who do, he is defined by the fact that he has suddenly found a newfound will to live. You see, Thane already turns 180 during the final romance scene. This has already happened. In ME2.

So, to follow your logic, they should continue evoloving characters in the direction they have set now. That means Thane dying if not romanced, and Thane living if romanced.

*waves hand* all right,let the little flame war continue.

Agreed. It shouldn't be forced upon players in ME3, but I romanced him and would like an option to save him.

Agreed here too.   I romanced Thane and would love the opportunity to cure him.

Just ignore all the negative posts here and the instigators will leave for a more involved sport.  This is, after all, a support thread.  If you like Thane post, and if you don't than move on to our own interests.  It's that simple.  I for one really don't care about why Thane shouldn't be cured, and refuse to debate the issue.  It's like debating religion.....no one will ever win.  So it's not worth our time.  Ignore the instigators and have fun!

[Aynslie]

Maera Imrov wrote...

It should come at a price, of course. I like having my Shepard's integrity tested. But choices are grand things. If I wanted to run around playing games with hardcoded deaths, I'd be paying more attention to Square-Enix's newest offerings... but I'm not. There is a reason for this.

This was funny LOL:lol:  Oh absolutely you are right.   I was a big FF fan back in the day.....but Bioware has spoiled all other RPGs for me.  I'm like "what not choice here?? eh I'll go read a book then...":P

[ZennExile]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Thane has a terminal illness. It defines his entire character role in ME2. If he doesn't die it will be like Bioware taking a big smelly "Superman 64" on all of you Thane fans. So he should in fact die for your sake.

/thread

I am technically not a Thane fan, but I'll bite. Hey, discussion for the sake of discussion, on the internets, nothing good ever comes out of it, but I am still biting.

Thane's terminal illness defines his character for those who do not romance him.
For those who do, he is defined by the fact that he has suddenly found a newfound will to live. You see, Thane already turns 180 during the final romance scene. This has already happened. In ME2.

So, to follow your logic, they should continue evoloving characters in the direction they have set now. That means Thane dying if not romanced, and Thane living if romanced.

*waves hand* all right,let the little flame war continue.

So when you ramnce Thane the Hanar somehow use your perversion to come up with the cure to his genetic disorder?  Or is this all figurative?

The idea that Thane is saved from a terminal illness that clearly defines the character as we the player know him doesn't at all seem absurb and childish to you?  Thane was a last minute character.  He doesn't have anything to do with Mass Effect.  Extended appeal for him is irrational.  Romancing him is purely sukebe motivated.

He's supposed to die.  Wishing to help his son before he dies defines him.  Romancing him is just a sick fetish that results in torturing him before his death.  If you weren't so selfish he could have at least died in peace. 

[Sialater]

BobbyTheI wrote...

It's so cute to see you still trying so hard, Zenny baby.

Where to next? Go take on those Jacob supporters, there's a formidable opponent.

To all you Thane lovers:  ZennExile is having a bit of a temper tantrum.  Mass Effect 2 didn't turn out the way he wanted it to (i.e. exactly like ME1), so he's spreading his charming hate around a bit.  He isn't a fan of character threads, it seems, and tried his best to dump all over the Jack thread.  Now that we're not biting anymore, he's decided to pay you all a visit.

Do what I do: treat every post of his like a completely black wall of nothing.  Because you're just as likely to get anything intelligent from that, and you'll get as much result from debating one as well.

From all of us at the Jack thread:  have fun. 

Since Jack is apparently Thane's foil, their fates are probably tied together, just as Jacob and Miranda's are and Garrus and Tali's.

Interesting... only Liara has no counterpart.  Unless she's the counterpart to Alenko/Williams.

Modifié par Sialater, 25 février 2010 - 02:58 .

[Mahalat]

Thanks, BobbyTheI! Jack rocks! I created a MaleShep just so I could get closer to her.

Sialater wrote...

Since Jack is apparently Thane's foil, their fates are probably tied together, just as Jacob and Miranda's are and Garrus and Tali's.

Interesting... only Liara has no counterpart.  Unless she's the counterpart to Alenko/Williams.

Still half-way through my first coffee, so could you please elaborate? I am interested in this.

Modifié par Mahalat, 25 février 2010 - 03:44 .

[kaimanaMM]

Still working on my second cup here Mahalat, but in Jack's codex it tells us in essence that her biotics are slowly killing her, neural degeneration.  Its what the amp is for, to help slow the process.  Mind you, I'm half looking for the codex entry also atm, so my info isn't 100% totally accurate.  (BobbytheI, help me out here!) 

From other discussions I've had I don't see Thane and Jack as equal parts of the equation.  Jack, with upgrades, has the potential to live for many years, it's her 'better to burn out than fade away' personality that gives the feeling that she could possibly pass away before her time.  Thane, on the other hand, has a finite time line and has not, to our knowledge, sought the treatments available for Kepral's Syndrome. 

I'd imagine that he'd be very keen on seeking said treatments once we get back through the Omega 4 relay alive and intact.

Modifié par kaimanaMM, 25 février 2010 - 03:50 .

[Sialater]

Mahalat wrote...

Thanks, BobbyTheI! Jack rocks! I created a MaleShep just so I could get closer to her.

Sialater wrote...

Since Jack is apparently Thane's foil, their fates are probably tied together, just as Jacob and Miranda's are and Garrus and Tali's.

Interesting... only Liara has no counterpart.  Unless she's the counterpart to Alenko/Williams.

Still half-way through my first coffee, so could you please elaborate? I am interested in this.

The LI's seem to have been made in pairs.  You have Williams/Alenko with Liara as their foil from ME1.

You have Cerberus Ken and Barbie, AKA Miranda and Jacob. 

You have Jack & Thane, both tragic and dying and dealing with it in polar opposite manners.

You have Tali and Garrus, both alien and both LIs because the fans begged.

[Mahalat]

Thank you both, that helps. Considering how much time they spent creating both Thane and Jack, refining their looks and personalities, I see that. Perhaps they are conceived as opposite sides of the same coin? It does make me wonder if they spent an equal amount of time on Jacob as on Miranda, though.. maybe I just don't get him.



Most of the characters are very well thought out, more so than in ME1. I have a problem with Zaeed, but that might be because he reminds me of people I know irl, which would make him also well developed.



And yes, Thane's focus on life has radically changed thanks to Shepard, so I think they would both be highly motivated to seek treatment for him. ..I'll go get another cup of coffee before I start capslocking about Thane wanting to live...

[WindOverTuchanka]

Girls, if you want this debate to go down the drain, just wave, I'll stop replying. But some good can still come out of  it, right?

ZennExile wrote...

So when you ramnce Thane the Hanar somehow use your perversion to come up with the cure to his genetic disorder?  Or is this all figurative?

If he can be cured through scientific research, there will be no ground for 'love heals' quest. Everyone will just cure Thane, period.

But Thane is spiritual. He prays, and it seems that his gods help him. Belief in miracles seems contradictory to everything Mass Efeect stands for, but it is already there for Thane, as I have stated, like it or not.

Spirituality is often used as a plot device for 'miraculous' escape from death. Gods interfere, and Thane's Shepard is a valkyrie, after all.

It is a thin rope over the bottomless abyss of cheese, yes. The writers can theoretically walk it and get to the other side. I don't know if Bio will take this road. And if they will take if they will manage to pull it off, but oh well.

ZennExile wrote...
If you weren't so selfish he could have at least died in peace. 

Alas, he probably will in my case. I did not romance him during my canon playthrough.
*gives ZennExile a cookie*  There, there...

Modifié par WindOverTuchanka, 25 février 2010 - 06:57 .

[BobbyTheI]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Still working on my second cup here Mahalat, but in Jack's codex it tells us in essence that her biotics are slowly killing her, neural degeneration.  Its what the amp is for, to help slow the process.  Mind you, I'm half looking for the codex entry also atm, so my info isn't 100% totally accurate.  (BobbytheI, help me out here!)  

The text just basically says, "She's undergoing progressive neural degeneration, which would normally decrease her ability to generate mass effect fields."  So I think it's only supposed to mean that the neural degeneration would eventually remove her biotic powers.  That is, if she were normal: the description also says that for some reason, even with the degeneration, her abilities are increasing.

So, while the text itself doesn't really lend itself to the "Jack is losing her mind" interpretation, it leaves it kinda nebulous, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jack does have some line in ME3 like, "They checked me out, and I've only got a few years before my brain goes kaput."  Well, not with that word, but still... 

I had a big long essay on the Jack thread on how I see Jack as the sort of love interest a Shepard who planned to die "in the saddle" would be perfect for, because I could imagine the two of them going out in the middle of a mission, back-to-back, guns blazing. But since I've already talked way too much about the wrong character in this thread, I'll stop. 

As far as Thane goes: I wouldn't be surprised if, BioWare being the devious guys they are, they didn't really tug the heartstrings of you guys. There's a cure available, but you can only get it by doing something really Renegade-y, something that even Thane would blanch at even considering. Would you be willing to do something like that to save the man you love? Even if it means that he might never look at you the same way again? Or maybe I've just been playing too much Heavy Rain. 

Anyway, I've rambled enough. Nice to talk to you folks, and I'll make a nice, sexy FemShep to give Thane some sweet lovin' next playthrough, in tribute to y'all.

PS: Didn't I tell you? Zenny's SOOOO much fun!  

[Sialater]

LOL, stop by any time.



And yeah, I think that's what they made Jack and Thane for. Dying LIs for the Shep that JUST. CAN'T. TAKE. IT. ANYMORE.

[Chael90]

BobbyTheI wrote...

As far as Thane goes: I wouldn't be surprised if, BioWare being the devious guys they are, they didn't really tug the heartstrings of you guys. There's a cure available, but you can only get it by doing something really Renegade-y, something that even Thane would blanch at even considering. Would you be willing to do something like that to save the man you love? Even if it means that he might never look at you the same way again? Or maybe I've just been playing too much Heavy Rain.  

Yep. I only hope that my paragon points will be enough to convince Thane that saving him, no matter what the cost, is the RIGHT choice

[NeitiCora]

Yay, my first ever post on these official forums... at least I think so. Been lurking for ages.

So, heyo to all of you, some of you probably already know me from the NSAS or BioWare fanart scene.



Just wanted to drop in and say that I wholeheartedly approve of what BobbyTheI suggested. I've been talking about something like that with a few friends when we were wondering about curing Thane in ME3. I'm half-expecting the thing to come down to a choice like this: do something terrible and cure Thane, but the romance ends because they can't even look at each other after that OR let Thane die, save random people/do-good and stay by his side until the end. I'd do the terrible thing. At least I would have give Kolyat his dad bag.



Of course, I keep hoping for a happier solution. Because I don't want to be upset over a video game for weeks.

[kaimanaMM]

Thanks for filling in the blanks Bobby. 

I'm actually thinking about your question, it's something I've run through my mind before.  For me, if everyone is offered some sort of happy ending with their chosen LI, I don't believe a happy ending with Thane should come at such a high cost as to be damaging to the relationship.  I can't say I'd buy / playthrough the game if I could not have some sort of reasonable resolution to the romance.  If Shep and Garrus or Tali or Miranda or Kaidan etc. can walk off into the sunset at the end of ME3 then I believe the same should be possible with Thane and Jack.

That said, I still maintain that curing him or at least prolonging his life without his suffering through ME3 should come with consequences as your choices and the ramifications thereof are a theme of the game.

[iNixiRir]

Hmm, I thought Thane clearly said to me that the Hanar were working on a cure, and the only question was if it would be ready in time.



And besides, it's a scifi game. One of the rules of a scifi story is: anything can happen.

[Shadow_Puppet]

And besides, it's a scifi game. One of the rules of a scifi story is: anything can happen.

Hear hear!

[iNixiRir]

Shadow_Puppet wrote...

And besides, it's a scifi game. One of the rules of a scifi story is: anything can happen.

Hear hear!

Hehe, maybe it's the only rule .

[kaimanaMM]

iNixiRir wrote...

Hmm, I thought Thane clearly said to me that the Hanar were working on a cure, and the only question was if it would be ready in time.

He does indeed, let's hope it is!  Or that it will be by the time we'll need it!

And besides, it's a scifi game. One of the rules of a scifi story is: anything can happen.

From your mouth to the writers / devs' ears! 

[Missi Moonshine]

ZennExile wrote...


So when you ramnce Thane the Hanar somehow use your perversion to come up with the cure to his genetic disorder? 

Keprals syndrome is a bacterial infection, not a geneticly inherited disease.




Well guys....I'm DONE WITH MY ART PROJECT!!! I haven't been posting for about...a week? Two weeks? But it feels longer than that. I'm happy to say that I'm back to post regularily! That is at least...until spring break rolls around. Then I take off for Japan for a week and a half....

But I love you guys none the less. Keep up the posting, debating, discusions, art and whatnot.