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[Sable Rhapsody]

Squeegee83 wrote...
Do you know why I started this campaign? I am asking out of curiosity, because the message was lost months ago.

Hmm, I think you've got me there.  I'm newer to the party than a lot of the folks here.  Thane grew on me slowly, I didn't even like him my first playthrough.  Silly me 

My understanding is that there was plenty of foreshadowing between ME2 and ME3 for curing Keprals', as well as promises from the devs to treat each romance to a proper story arc, so it was reasonable to request him alive and well in ME3.  When that didn't pan out, folks started piping up to get some better writing for our drell.  Sound about right?

Vlk3 wrote...
As for modding the game... In truth I need BioWare to fix it, or else it won't really count. But maybe it would at least let me finish my canon Shep playthrough and move on. I don't know a thing abut programming and so on, but it seems rather easy for me to change some flags to trigger Kirrahe scenario instead of Thane scenario and adding some dialogs here and there... Instead of Thane's letter after his death, insert another letter (explaining that he's feeling good after lung transplant and is now recovering).

Give modding a chance.  You'd be surprised at how much better everything is once the headcanon becomes something tangible in-game.  Fob's MEHEM allowed me to finish ME3 with one Shep, start it again with another who was languishing in ME2, and bury that hatchet over the ending for good.  

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 08 novembre 2012 - 12:36 .

[DineBoo]

I can't even see how the price for the DLC matches what is given.

So about 6 missions, no hub world, no interactions with crew or past crew, no new interactions with your LI for about 15 dollars?

...Yeah. Couldn't they at least give us interactions with Garrus and the female turian?

Oh. but you can get "friendly" with Aria.

I'm getting so sick of these interactions with the Asari! Are they the only ones that can flirt?

Where are the males to flirt with/get friendly with for femShep? BroShep too for that matter.

I want to see the reactions of Garrus and Kaiden when a guy hits on femShep. Would they get jealous? Upset? Try to one up the guy?

And they could have at least made it where Purgatory is a place like LOTSB you could visit from time to time to get something new. Make where everyone could get off the ship (everyone, including Sam, Ken and Gabby, and the guards from the war room). People could relax and hang out during shore leave. Maybe you talk to your ME2 LIs there too.


It'd be more lines recorded, but at least it would justify 2 gigs of data.

[Thrazesul]

I may have missed something but do we actually have all the info yet? Is this what people have taken from the demo or is it set in stone? Has anyone played more than the demo at all?

Not arguing just wondering cause maybe there's a surprise somewhere there. >.>

One can hope...

[coldwetn0se]

**A Cry For Help!!**

Any of you lovely people who have an understanding of the graphical design in me3, I could use your knowledge.  I am trying to find out information about the body models for the following: EDI, Ashley, Liara, Jack, Miranda, and FemShep.  Are any of them the same body model as each other? (ex. is FemShep's body and Ashley's body the same...just head swapped).  Was EDI's body just a reuse of Miranda's? (cameltoe being the obvious standout of why I would suggest this.)  Does anyone have some decent front on stills of FemShep through ME1, ME2 and me3? (to compare body types). 

Any help at all would be appreciated, but no worries if you don't have anything to offer.  Thanks for reading Thanemancers and Friends of Thane!!

[Sable Rhapsody]

DineBoo wrote...
I'm getting so sick of these interactions with the Asari! Are they the only ones that can flirt?

Where are the males to flirt with/get friendly with for femShep? BroShep too for that matter.

I want to see the reactions of Garrus and Kaiden when a guy hits on femShep. Would they get jealous? Upset? Try to one up the guy?

No, but the asari are writers' pets.  Again, like with Liara, it's unfortunate because I find the asari genuinely interesting as a species.  I think characters are weakened by blatant creator favoritism rather than strengthened.

As for guys flirting with FemShep, be careful what you wish for, because that's a can of worms.  It's one thing for games to acknowledge the PC's gender, and TBH ME should've been more reactive to gender, alignment, and background than it was.  But in general, female PCs tend to be on the receiving end of sleazy flirts/comments (Harkin, some of the guy NPCs in DA) than male PCs, and it sets a poor precedent.

Squeegee83 wrote...
I didn't like Thane in my first playthrough as well. lol. 

Everything you said here, makes sense, so I don't want you to feel like I am disagreeing with you. However, this campaign started in order to bring out those who had a connection to his character. Not everyone who plays this game is well. There were many people who were sick, disabled, and have faced a death in their life. They were hoping to overcome the impossible in a game.

That makes sense.  Thanks for the help, BioWare 

I ended up not using Thane much in my first playthrough--I had an Adept with Reave and a sniper rifle, so Thane was pretty redundant power-wise, and his loyalty power has always been ass-awful.  (I love the guy, but seriously, shredder ammo?  WTF.)  So I didn't get to know him particularly well.  I liked him a lot better when I played through as a tech character and brought him around with me a lot--unfortunately, a lot of his subtle humor is in his on-mission content or his romance stuff, so I missed most of it the first time around.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 08 novembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[Emeraldfern]

@coldi

Well, I've got access to the 3d models so I could take some comparison shots if you'd like. I just gotta extract Edi's model first.

As for the models, AFAIK, some models are completely unique, and then there are re-uses of both body models and textures, and re-hashed textures.

For example, Ashley's underwear is the same as Fem-Shep's & Traynors. Ashley's underwear has a pinkish red stripe that Fem-Shep/Traynor does not. The only difference in regards to the bodyshape is that Ashley's head (including her hair) is fused to the body mesh.

And ditto on Kaidan; The same underwear texture is used on Male-Shep & Cortez. Also Kaidan's face model is fused to the body like Ashley.

Liara's nude model also has her head fused to the body. And Liara's models are completely unique. So is Jack's model.

As for Edi, her original appearance is unique. But her outfits seem to be re-textures of Miranda's outfit. Like I mentioned, I've yet to extract Edi's model so I haven't compared the bodyshape, but the texture itself is incredibly similar to Miranda's with some modification to the colour palette. The cameltoe is not present on Miranda's texture AFAIK.

As for Shepard's body in-between the games:

I can't answer for ME1 (I haven't extracted any models from ME1 yet). Although, the boob size differed slightly in-between light/medium/heavy armour.

But Shepard did get a boob job in ME2  & the Kasumi dress' boobs are bigger than the rest of the casual outfits.

In ME3, I think the underwear & leather dress models has bigger boobs and hips when compared to the casual outfits. In armour, boob-size varies, and Rosenkov & Armax don't have "boob-armour" at all.

I don't think I've used the word "boob" as much as I just did. XD

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 08 novembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[Hisilome]

Only reason to buy the Omega dlc-aside from the hope Thrazesul mentions above-would be Javik and rude asari-relevant comments to Aria!

Other than that, my Shepard would sooner turn Aria over to the asari or the Alliance than help her out, have to say!

And not flirting with Thane in my second playthrough of ME2...not easy, no, not easy at all!!!

[coldwetn0se]

I think the "flirtations" in question are more in comparison to Shiala's and Gianna's flirts with Shep. Nice people (generally likeable), who simply admire/are attracted to our PC. This was what I think some female players were hoping for. Getting leered at by Harkin or that Batarian during Garrus' RM can be fine for adding gender specific moments. But, when that is all femShep ever gets (aside from other females and later James), it is.......hmmmm slightly predictable and sad. Would it have been so bad for someone like Lorik Qu'in or Daniel (Mordin's assistant) to pass a nice compliment to FemShep? It can be done and done tastefully, and those are just two examples of characters that I would argue are (for the most part) likeable. BTW, they really are just examples, not saying that those two characters in particular needed to throw out a flirt/compliment to F!Shep.

[Emeraldfern]

Like in DAO; Berwick, Bann Teagan, and Ruck?
Those three's comments were actually kind of cute imo. Especially Teagan's.

[coldwetn0se]

@Emeralfern - You are a Goddess!!! (oh, and.....boobs.)
I would not say no to getting comparison pictures; that would be truly helpful. Now, for this tech newbie, when you say "fused" head to the body, what exactly does that mean? If we compare Ash and Fem!Shep in similar clothing (are any of the casual wear available for fem!Shep comparable to Ash??), are their bodies the same? And as for Miranda, I used her for the example, because at the very beginning of ME2 when she is talking to the Illusive Man, and she walks up to him, she has very definate cameltoe. It made me wonder if that body morph/texture/wutchamacallit was the same for EDI.

Sorry for being so "green" on all of this. The piece that I am writing up will touch on this (along with other things we have discussed as of late). Thanks again for your wonderful knowledge. I really appreciate the help!!

cookie??

[coldwetn0se]

Emeraldfern wrote...

Like in DAO; Berwick, Bann Teagan, and Ruck?
Those three's comments were actually kind of cute imo. Especially Teagan's.

YES!!!  Thank you for such apt examples. 

[mnomaha]

Hisilome wrote...

Only reason to buy the Omega dlc-aside from the hope Thrazesul mentions above-would be Javik and rude asari-relevant comments to Aria!

Other than that, my Shepard would sooner turn Aria over to the asari or the Alliance than help her out, have to say!

And not flirting with Thane in my second playthrough of ME2...not easy, no, not easy at all!!!

While that would be great, Javik, nor any of the rest, will be along on the mission. They, like the Normandy, will be else where. It's a Shep, Aria, Turian chick mission only. At least that's what I read.

[mnomaha]

>.>

Um...https://twitter.com/...612856517181440

If you don't have twitter, you might want to consider one for this.

Modifié par mnomaha, 09 novembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[Seifer006]

mnomaha wrote...

>.>

Um...https://twitter.com/...612856517181440

If you don't have twitter, you might want to consider one for this.

i thought about it..............but forget it.

ME4 probably be ruined. hell you see this article?

www.nowgamer.com/news/919569/bioware_we_want_call_of_dutys_audience.html

[Seifer006]

I knew it.

but now it's confirmed.

[Seifer006]

DineBoo wrote...

I can't even see how the price for the DLC matches what is given.

So about 6 missions, no hub world, no interactions with crew or past crew, no new interactions with your LI for about 15 dollars?

a grand opportunity lost

[mnomaha]

Yeah, its oldie but goodie. I think that's about the time Jennifer Hepler did her PR disaster thing. I could actually just go play Call of Duty at this point because I'm sure not playing anything from bioware.

[DineBoo]

Right now I'm enjoying watching my husband play Halo 4. Much more satisfying storyline wise.

I think the "flirtations" in question are more in comparison to Shiala's and Gianna's flirts with Shep. Nice people (generally likeable), who simply admire/are attracted to our PC. This was what I think some female players were hoping for. Getting leered at by Harkin or that Batarian during Garrus' RM can be fine for adding gender specific moments. But, when that is all femShep ever gets (aside from other females and later James), it is.......hmmmm slightly predictable and sad. Would it have been so bad for someone like Lorik Qu'in or Daniel (Mordin's assistant) to pass a nice compliment to FemShep? It can be done and done tastefully, and those are just two examples of characters that I would argue are (for the most part) likeable. BTW, they really are just examples, not saying that those two characters in particular needed to throw out a flirt/compliment to F!Shep.

This. Pretty much what I want is something similar to Giana for broShep. And even though I'd take Shiala over Liara, I just want some more male flirtations. And to be honest, I don't even count James "flirts".

While I'm thankful comments like Harken's were few and faw between, I want the flirts from people other than asari. I think Lorik Qu'in would have been awesome. I wouldn't have minded Toombs after he got some help. Kirahee would have been interesting too. Though it's kind of troubling I'm having trouble thinking of guys who could flirt with femShep.

The problem with the asari is it seems like they want to push femShep toward being canocially lesbian, and I'm really getting tired of it. Especially if the relationships seem like they're designed for teenage boys.

Modifié par DineBoo, 09 novembre 2012 - 02:33 .

[Roxy]

That's pretty much what the ME team want is girl on girl action,they don't give a rat's ass about the female players who want equal treatment for Femshep,kill/break off her straight choices if not romanced garrus or kaiden and give her lesbian choices....I've just about had it with BioWare!

BioWare is Sexist...there I said it,again!

[Roxy]

Sorry for double post but....

*sighs* I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do that video...I don't know how I'm gonna plan this out, I haven't exactly given up yet....I'm just still trying to figure it out lol.....any suggestions?


Btw here is another masterpiece that JoeBlack on da did it's called Romance on Omega-Thane and Jane

Modifié par Roxy, 09 novembre 2012 - 03:39 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

mnomaha wrote...

Yeah, its oldie but goodie. I think that's about the time Jennifer Hepler did her PR disaster thing. I could actually just go play Call of Duty at this point because I'm sure not playing anything from bioware.

There's nothing wrong per se with wanting to expand your audience, and if you actually read the article, he talks about bringing in new RPG players who may not have tried the genre.  Call of Duty is an example of a game that has stat point progression without being what we traditionally think of as an RPG.  What he actually says is much more nuanced than what the article title implies.

And while I think Jen Hepler should've chosen her words more carefully, she's a writer.  She doesn't have to be involved in the gameplay mechanics to tell a good yarn, and I think she did a great job in DAII.

Roxy wrote...

BioWare is Sexist...there I said it,again!

*sigh*  Maybe calling people sexist helps us feel better, but it doesn't help anyone, least of all the devs or the other fans, understand our position, and it doesn't help change things.

[Roxy]

Watch out..because your pissing me off....

You might not like what I say but I will say what I want to...and I am telling the truth here Bioware has no respect for the female gamers!

I'm not trying to start a fight here..but I don't enjoy you judging me on what I say when you know its the truth!

Modifié par Roxy, 09 novembre 2012 - 04:53 .

[DineBoo]

At this point Sable, if Thane fans want to stop being "nice", I can't blame them.

Since ME3 came out there have been thoughtful articulate posts talking about how badly Thane was treated and options to prolong or cure him. In these threads they get bullied, told to deal with it, and told they're a bunch of whiners. Meanwhile, other threads regarding better treated (yet still badly handled) characters are given praise and acknowledgement. And this doesn't include the trolling Thane fans got from BW themselves.

And I'm sure BW and others know what Thane fans want by now. They just continue to troll or ignore. And to me, the lack of response to civil and nice inquires bother me the most.

I'm not saying curing or at least improving Thane's story isn't a lost cause. But if BW was waiting for Thane fans to get angry so they can say "We considering it, but the fans are so mean", then this reflects worse on them than the fans.

Sexist and racially insensitive writing/treatment (especially in the case of Jacob) needs to be pointed out. And does help to get others to look into it.

It does no good to say mute about it when it needs to be addressed. And there's a lot that still needs to be acknowledged, from why femShep got male LIs cut with no replacement, why Jacob was made into a thinly veiled stereotype, and why it seems like equality for femShep flew out the window in ME3.

And saying something is sexist or racially insensitive does help the cause.

Just my .02.

Modifié par DineBoo, 09 novembre 2012 - 04:53 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm not judging, just suggesting a different tack.  Apologies if it came off that way. Thane fans have every right to be angry, but it really comes down a fundamental difference of opinion in how to approach the issue. Like I said, there's a difference between saying "I think this writing comes off sexist" and "I think BioWare's employees and fans are sexist," and the latter is IMO counterproductive.

But I'm clearly in the minority, and I don't want to start any conflict.  I'll keep tabs on the modding thread and let you guys know if there's anything useful there for a potential Thane mod.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 09 novembre 2012 - 05:34 .