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[mythlover20]

And every time something new comes out I loose even more hope that BioWare will just do the right thing and fix Thane. Not even having him as a romance for the WiiU in a ****ing comic?!

If i hadn't promised everyone I would finish the fanbook I'd just throw everything I've done for it on to a bonfire somewhere. BioWare doesn't deserve all the hard work and stress i've put myself through.

[coldwetn0se]

Yeah, I saw that about the new Wii Genesis comic. I actually understand "why" they did it, but the fact they did, feels like they are hammering in the last nails in the coffin. Just because I understand it though, doesn't mean I like it.....I find it utterly disappointing.

I may not have truly believed that they would do something for Thane (or the other ME2 LI's), but I admittedly still held on to a bit of hope. Because they follow a business practice that generally is meant to include all platforms getting the same "current" content, I don't really see them doing a DLC that would add content to the romanceable characters from ME2 (like adding some romance content to a storyline/action DLC). Content like that could be viewed as wasted on wii users, so they may not see the cost benefit to making such material.

This is.....I don't know.

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 21 novembre 2012 - 07:09 .

[DineBoo]

I finally figured put what I was so ticked about. It's the negation of your choice. Jacob may have not been that popular, but he was a choice. Same for Jacob. To just negate that feels like you're being told you played the game wrong.

And that's why ME3 fails. You're choice were made to feel like they wrong. They're shouldn't have been any wrong choices (unless they caused an immediate Game Over). There should have been consequences to your choices.

None of the LI deserved to be treated this way. And it's looking they were trying to push into a canonc LI choice. If that's the case, I'd wish they'd come out and say it,

[coldwetn0se]

@Dineboo - That is exactly it. I actually said that very thing in both my Thane CS piece and my CS special on Gender Disparities in Mass Effect. Negating two legitimate LI's from the previous game, robs the role player of their choice. Hence, why I have never been able to finish the game. How can I role play a game that decides FOR me that the sick drell was just a fling, or that the token good guy human from ME2 was really a "cad" in waiting. All of this happens outside of the players decision making, off screen and out of sight. Player agency of one of the few RP devices that has no reason to be mucked with, the romances should have been left up to the player to RP as they so chose.

[Sable Rhapsody]

DineBoo wrote...
I finally figured put what I was so ticked about. It's the negation of your choice. Jacob may have not been that popular, but he was a choice. Same for Jacob. To just negate that feels like you're being told you played the game wrong.

On one hand, yes, it's negation of choice.  On the other hand, it negates a choice for people who aren't ever going to play ME1 or ME2.  They won't get to know or like these characters, let alone establish enough of a connection to romance them.  It's not as though someone not being able to pick Jacob or Thane in Genesis erases the choice from the actual ME2 game.

IMO it's more of a mixed bag.  Fewer choices and pushing the ME1 LIs, but it also spares the WiiU players the frustration that Jack, Miri, Thane, and Jacob's fans got come ME3.  Might actually be a blessing in disguise there.

[JECW]

Well that is dissapointing about the WiiU.

I wonder who they are actually trying to sell this game to. From what I've heard they completely glossed over the events of ME2. A lot of things are not available including the romances except for Garrus and Tali. Then you wont get any of the ME2 DLC's. I heard you don't get Kasumi or Zaeed either. I don't see a real reason for someone to buy it on the WiiU. Not that I was going to do that anyway.

[coldwetn0se]

@Sable - I don't think Dineboo was referring to the wii Genesis comic, in that last post of hers. I could have read it wrong, but I think she was merely reflecting on the negating of said choices for those that had it in the first place ( those that did play ME2 and "chose" Thane or Jacob).

[DineBoo]

@Sable - I don't think Dineboo was referring to the wii Genesis comic, in that last post of hers. I could have read it wrong, but I think she was merely reflecting on the negating of said choices for those that had it in the first place ( those that did play ME2 and "chose" Thane or Jacob).

This. Pretty much.

ME3 negated your choices, especially regarding ME2 Li's. The WiiU's Genesis comic drives it home and is the icing on a craptastic cake.

With the comic, it's also saying that Jacob, Thane, and Jack as LI's don't matter. Sure they took out other stuff, but for an RPG, the relationships matter the most. And it makes it look like they won't be doing anything else for the ME2 LIs in future DLCs, which sucks.

But you can get "extremely friendly" with Aria. Bah.

[Vlk3]

Well, that was the final insult for ME2 characters romancers. And it certainly means they won't even touch ME2 LI's to make them better. I thought they'd include a possibility to romance them on a WiiU, so that later there would be more people who can enjoy a DLC. It seems I'm too naive.

[Sable Rhapsody]

DineBoo wrote...

@Sable - I don't think Dineboo was referring to the wii Genesis comic, in that last post of hers. I could have read it wrong, but I think she was merely reflecting on the negating of said choices for those that had it in the first place ( those that did play ME2 and "chose" Thane or Jacob).

This. Pretty much.

ME3 negated your choices, especially regarding ME2 Li's. The WiiU's Genesis comic drives it home and is the icing on a craptastic cake.

Ah, I see.  I 100% agree.

Also, is anyone else having trouble with BSN today?  Sorry if this ends up being a wonky post--I keep getting disconnected, and it's definitely not my Internet.

As for WiiU customers, I know I've got a long, LOOOONG list of games to play, and I'm certainly not the only one.  Time is precious, and some folks might not have the 100+ hours for a full playthrough of the trilogy.  ME3's multiplayer is also fairly good, and now that it's got more than a handful of maps, classes, and guns, it wouldn't be a bad holiday gift for co-op play.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 21 novembre 2012 - 08:12 .

[firel]

Sigh.. this is so depressing. However Miranda's romance is still an option? Bah, of course the 'sexy chick with dat ass' counts seeing who their more valued customers are. =/

[DragonSlayer63]

I heard about the Genesis comic, too, and watched the video about it on Youtube. On top of having less romance options, it seems that half of your squad (Grunt, Thane, Jack, Samara, Legion) will die on SM, even if you did their loyalty missions (please correct me if I'm wrong). It's quite convenient, isn't it? Killing off Thane who will be ruined in ME3; killing of Legion who you can't save in ME3... And of course, it's not possible to save Morinth. That's understantable, since saving her is clearly one of those "wrong choices".

I guess the romance thing is kind of fair to WiiU players. But, it still isn't fair to those who romanced Thane/Jacob/Jack in ME2 and wanted to stick with their romances. I mean, it's not fair to imply that they were never true options. If I had to guess whose romance wasn't going to last, I would've said Garrus'. Yet his was the one that lasted. So I don't think we "should have seen what was coming" regarding Thane and Jacob. I'm sure they didn't see it themselves until ME3.

I just... argh. It's obvious they know they messed up. Why won't they try and fix their mistakes instead of pretending Thane & co never existed? Just why? Is it so hard to at least tell us "We made a mistake and are genuinely sorry; fixing it might be difficult, but let's see if we can do it in the future. We are open to your ideas"?

[DineBoo]

There is no way people could say "they expected Thane and Jacob's romance not to last". People say they knew Thane was going to die, but not have his romance negated. There's a difference. And saying it about Jacob is simply not true. Everyone was worried about Garrus.

So what's going to happen with Salarian Concilor? Does s/he die since Thane isn't there for the awesome assassins fight? Or is Kirahhe around to take the bullet like it was intended?

Was going to happen with peace between the Geth and Quarians? Will it default to saving the Quarians?

It's really interesting to see if this is the canon BW wanted.

[DragonSlayer63]

@DineBoo Not sure about the salarian councilor... At least in PS3 Kirrahe is always dead, so if Thane is not alive the councilor will die and you're forced to kill the VS. As for the geth and quarians, I asked my brother about it and he said that if Legion is dead, his VI will take his place. Apparently Legion made some kind of "backup copy" of himself back in ME2.

[DineBoo]

Interesting.

BTW, is anyone tired of the meme "Jacob has fans?" Yes, he was unpopular, but yes, he did have fans that BW gave the finger to. If BW did that to all the LIs, I bet a lot of people would be more understanding.

It's almost annoying as the "You knew Thane was going to die" meme.

LanceSolus was over in the Campaign forums. Someone send him an invite!

[BeanieBat]

DragonSlayer63 wrote...

@DineBoo Not sure about the salarian councilor... At least in PS3 Kirrahe is always dead, so if Thane is not alive the councilor will die and you're forced to kill the VS. As for the geth and quarians, I asked my brother about it and he said that if Legion is dead, his VI will take his place. Apparently Legion made some kind of "backup copy" of himself back in ME2.

While what you say makes sense, I just can't believe that BW would actually force you to kill the VS... I bet they come up with an alternative so you can save them.

I never knew that about the Legion thing... odd.

[Sable Rhapsody]

DragonSlayer63 wrote...

@DineBoo Not sure about the salarian councilor... At least in PS3 Kirrahe is always dead, so if Thane is not alive the councilor will die and you're forced to kill the VS. As for the geth and quarians, I asked my brother about it and he said that if Legion is dead, his VI will take his place. Apparently Legion made some kind of "backup copy" of himself back in ME2.

To the best of my awareness if the salarian councilor is dead, you are not forced to kill the VS.  It just requires you to pass the same difficult influence check you have to pass if you haven't been talking to the VS or your relationship's deteriorated.  The VS's "trust" of Shepard is based on a hidden mechanic of points much like the quarian/geth conflict.

As for the Geth VI, I've played with it in one game.  It's got some of the same dialogue and VA, but it's definitely not Legion.  Much colder and more suspicious of Shep and Tali.  It calls itself a "holographic reconstruction" of Legion.  You are still allowed to pick between quarians and geth without Legion there, but you can't achieve peace without him.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[DragonSlayer63]

@Sable Rhapsody What... so... I can avoid the Thane & KL fight and still save the VS? OH MY GODS! *falls to the floor Kolyat style* VS was the only reason I decided to speak to Thane in my current ME3 playthrough... Oh, had I known... I could have headcanoned that if I didn't speak with him, he went somewhere safe, despite his name on the wall. Oh well. Thank you for the information! =)

[coldwetn0se]

DineBoo wrote...

Interesting.

BTW, is anyone tired of the meme "Jacob has fans?" Yes, he was unpopular, but yes, he did have fans that BW gave the finger to. If BW did that to all the LIs, I bet a lot of people would be more understanding.

It's almost annoying as the "You knew Thane was going to die" meme.

LanceSolus was over in the Campaign forums. Someone send him an invite!

Done!  Sent him a PM and link, to come join us.  We no bite.......much.

[wildannie]

I'm not too surprised about the WiiU comic not giving players the chance to get the woeful romance content from the ME2 exclusive characters. I choose to take it as an admission from BW that the content they provided was substandard and an insult to players who made those choices. Doesn't make it any better but if they thought that content in ME3 had been quality they wouldn't have removed the choice. I actually find it quite satisfying to see it this way.

[Seifer006]

The Blood Boils. The Thread Will Rise. The Haters Will Return.......And I Will Laugh

[kirasdream]

Glad to see that everyone else is ticked. I am not sure if this has already been discussed (been lurking on and off for months) but maybe there is a chance for more Thane content in the rumored Citadel dlc? Holding out hope for that....maybe....

[DineBoo]

Seifer006, I love you.

[coldwetn0se]

@kirasdream - Nice to see a lurker come out of the shadows! Come join the hallucinations and other drell bits.

@Seifer - you so crazy!!

I really should go to bed....most likely talking to myself anyway. XD
I smell like the inside of a bird....and onions. Don't judge! I've been cooking for t-day....I'm tired AND wired at the same time. Okay, I'll shuddup now.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! (and if you're not from the USA; come on over....we have leftovers. Yum!)

[mnomaha]

LOL I'll be there soon enough. And you better be snoozin' by the time I hit send you lady.