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[Roxy]

I tweeted him...I hate how little you have to write on there lol.

EDIT: Top...yay picie time.



"Feel alive with me"

SumireHaikuXNA @ dA

Modifié par Roxy, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[Vlk3]

To be honest, I like Liara and at first I didn't think she was irritating or too "friendly". But some of her fans here on BSN with their "deal with it" posts in addition to the proportions between her and Thane's content in game started to turn me against her. I don't despise Liara but somehow I don't want to see any new content with her exclusively, such as new content. Her being "the writer's pet" turned many people against her and it is sad.
And some of her fans...these are the worst. I noticed especially one, who keeps invading threads about possible treatments for Thane and such: "You knew he would die", "I think his death was a perfect closure to his character arc", "A magical cure would destroy his character", "someone had to die, and it made sense that a terminaly ill person died instead of others". Okay, this aren't exact quotes, but you get the feeling. I saw this guy on Liara's threads - "She's so perfect and beautiful. She's the most important character in ME". I hate people like him, maybe it's not good of me, but I really can't stand those people...

Ok, end of a rant.
@BeanieBat I'm glad you are continuing the project, can't wait to see the final results.

And here's another thought: BioWare does not address our complaints, but in fact, they can't just go out and say: "Listen, we know we made a mistake, we are going to release a DLC with treatment for Thane on May 2013."
Even if they want to do something about that, we won't know about it until they'll show a trailer of the DLC.


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Edit: Wow.. .Roxy, where did you get that pic? Awesome! Though I wish this Shep would look more like mine.

Modifié par Vlk3, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:11 .

[mnomaha]

@Vlk...gee, I wonder who that could be...can't stand that pr*ck for those exact reasons.

[Roxy]

@Beanie Your welcome,I'm glad to be a part of it! ^^

@Vlk I put out the links to the artist who did that one up above as the one I put out on the last page,I didn't know which one you meant lol...they are both done by the same artist. I wish it was my Shep to...heck I wish was me lol....

@Mnomaha  Hmmm would the first name be Han?

Modifié par Roxy, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:34 .

[DineBoo]

Yeah, the deal with it and little blue children fans have made the Liara situation worse. You have the best romance arc in the game, the best romance scene, and she was in all three games. What else do you want? Sure there were quibbles, but the fact that all they didn't get was little blue children and it's such a tragedy annoys.

I hate saying it's not a legitimate complaint, but when Talimancers have a badly photoshopped pic, Garrus not getting a romance scene (we couldn't get a head bump for old times sake? Add Tali too for this) Miri and Jack shortened content, and Thane and Jacob blown out the water, their complaints and relatively minor.

By making Liara their pet, BW did her an injustice.

And poor Jacob. That was deliberate. And for no good reason at all.

I'm with Hyrule Girl though if they only make content for Miri and Jack, I'm flipping tables. Though it will show they're only concerned with their male base.

[Roxy]

Yeah they pretty much got the best out of all the LI's, they are free to complain if they want but they have no reason to.

And if they do make a DLC (I doubt they will) that is only for Miranda and Jack...you won't be the only one flipping tables.

Modifié par Roxy, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:56 .

[firel]

I'm just... going to leave this here..

youtu.be/5CQjrDGxWnU (Slight omega spoilers)

Just goes to show even more how much Bioware LOVES its lesbians.

[DineBoo]

@Roxy: Yep. There are minor complaints and major complaints.

Major: My LI cheated on me/was killed without any recourse.
Minor: My LI didn't get blue children.

Worlds of difference between the two. I have issues with Garrus' lack of a romance scene but I'd never try to say my complaint is on the same level of Thane or Jacob's issues.

Speaking of Jacob, I remembered someone asked the writers at PAX(I think I read) about his direction and they said they were surprised at the negative response.

WTH. How can you not be surprised? You took the most stable and loyal character in ME2 and made him into a cheater? Just because he wasn't well liked doesn't mean people expected him to cheat. And there is the whole stereotype implications.

ETA: ::watches youtube clip:: Argh! That's it, I'm losing myself in Persona 4 Golden. You know, I was the type of game who usually liked trying out different relationships in games, staight or gay. BW has just killed it.

I just want to be female gamer. I don't want to be pandered and coddled. I don't want to be forced to wear skimpy clothing. I don't want it to be assumed I'm lesbian.

I've been playing games since the 386 PC days and OG Nintendo days with a Power Pad. Why don't I count? Argh!

Modifié par DineBoo, 01 décembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[LucyMaire]

Hi guys, I'm an occasional stalker of this group and sorry but I need to leave this rant here or I think I'll explode.
I am so utterly *sick* of people saying "Oh, it takes so much work to make these games, stop whining, you have no right, blah blah blah."
No.
It is their *job* to entertain us. They get PAID for it. If a game comes out, especially if it's part of a series, and it disappoints so many people on a very basic level (such as why did you destroy my favorite characters!?) then we have a RIGHT to complain. You can't just create amazing characters and then throw them away because you want to focus on COMBAT in a game that is supposed to be about STORYTELLING.
I just can't even oasidfnaos
I am so done. I've tried to like ME3, but even if I can block out the terrible injustices that were done to Thane, there is no way I'm going to get over all of the other million things wrong with it. For example, why would we want new characters on our ship when there wasn't even enough room for our old ones?! Allers, seriously!? Why was male Shep allowed to conclude all of his romances, but fem Shep's were scrapped!? Why the frak does fem Shep apologize to Kaidan when male Shep has the option to yell at Ashley?! What is this game and what have they done with Mass Effect!?

Sometimes I think people get so blindsided by the ending that they fail to recognize all of the other failures of the game. And there were a lot. So.fricken.many. If it makes me a whiner to complain about these things, then fine. I'm a whiner. I'd rather be a whiner than accept this crap at face value.
(that being said there were some great parts of ME3, but it doesn't make up for it in the least.)

Ok sorry, rant over, I just needed to get that off my chest.

[Roxy]

Hello LucyMaire and welcome! ^^

Rant away girl you have every right to. I agree with what you say especially the part where it seems some people have gotten so upset with the ending they don't recognize the other problems with the game,which is sad. Anyways glad to see another Thane fan,hope to see you around more.

[LucyMaire]

Thank you
I've always been lurking around here, I used to post a while back too but I went through a rough time and kind of forgot about it
I still get enraged about what happened to Thane, I don't know if that speaks to Bioware's writing abilities (at least in the first and second games), or the complete douche move they pulled. Probably both.
Still hoping for some justice for my ME2 characters. Until then, I will continue to gaze longingly at my several Thane posters.

[Sable Rhapsody]

JECW wrote...
She is still the only character who can't die.

Not entirely true, she can die on the beam run.  But it's the only place she can die, and only with appallingly low EMS.

LucyMaire wrote...
I am so utterly *sick* of people saying "Oh, it takes so much work to make these games, stop whining, you have no right, blah blah blah."
No.
It is their *job* to entertain us. They get PAID for it. 

Just to clarify (since I'm usually one of the people talking about the amount of work involved), I don't think it in any way excuses the shoddy condition in which ME3 shipped.  I'm just trying to be realistic (some would say cynical) about what we can expect in DLC.  One of the DA technical QAs has been answering a slew of questions on DA's toolset, BioWare's bugtesting, feature testing, etc.  In a nutshell, things that look simple user-side are often much more complicated developer-side.

But at the end of the day, you're right.  They are paid to sell a product for entertainment and consumption.  "Artistic integrity" is a bull excuse to hide behind.  Movies are art.  Books are art.  Graphic design is art.  Video games are art.  And they all involve selling a product that people weigh in on.  User feedback is part of that process whether the ME team likes it or not.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 01 décembre 2012 - 09:09 .

[Karrie788]

Hey LucyMaire! Yep, I agree with what you said. Ugh, especially about Kaidan and Ashley confronting you about "cheating". Hello? Not all women are delicate flowers who will calmly explain their actions or immediately apologize. They can also get angry.
No offense to Kaidan, but I'm happy I saved Ash.

firel wrote...

I'm just... going to leave this here..

youtu.be/5CQjrDGxWnU (Slight omega spoilers)

Just goes to show even more how much Bioware LOVES its lesbians.

You know, being bi I should feel happy I have options on both sides but I dislike the way they treat lesbians in this game.
This is not the worst aspect of it (actually her reaction with ManShep makes me laugh), but it's painfully obvious the "girl-on-girl action" was created with males in mind. I mean, Sam's romance was sweet but what was up with the shower scene?!

[DragonSlayer63]

DineBoo wrote...
Speaking of Jacob, I remembered someone asked the writers at PAX(I think I read) about his direction and they said they were surprised at the negative response.

WTH. How can you not be surprised? You took the most stable and loyal character in ME2 and made him into a cheater? Just because he wasn't well liked doesn't mean people expected him to cheat. And there is the whole stereotype implications.

LOL. I actually laughed! Did they really expect Jacobmancers to be all like "WOW it's so cool the character I was attached to and whose romance I wanted to continue cheated on me! That's wonderful character development! It's such a beautiful way to end our relationship!" If they did expect that kind of reaction, why didn't they make Miranda or Liara cheat on Shepard? Imagine Liara hooking up with Feron... and all Shepard has to say is either "Oh it's perfectly alright" or "Please, kiss me... I know you want it..." Hah, that would be something to see.

And about that Omega scene... (SLIGHT SPOILERS INCOMING)
You're all gonna hate me for this, and I hate myself for this, but I loved the way Aria kissed my Shepard... and that the kiss differed from the one with maleShep... I was just glad to have something that maleShep couldn't have, even though I always imagined Aria to be bisexual (if you can say that about an asari). But I doubt I was supposed to like that kiss -- it was probably meant for the male players playing femShep, just like all the other lesbian relationships in ME3. If they really wanted to please female players, they would have come up with a male fling for them. (I was also disappointed that the kiss was BW's idea about becoming "very close" with Aria. I didn't feel close with her at all! She was still cold towards Shepard after the kiss and I didn't feel like I really got to know her. I wonder if that differs on the paragon path...)
But the main issue I have with that kiss is the fact that, if you are renegade and always side with Aria, there is no way to avoid it. My Garrusmancing renegade Shepard didn't mind the kiss, but my first Shepard who had just lost romanced Thane probably would have punched her (though she was paragon and thus wouldn't receive the kiss). I think there should be some way not to respond to the kiss.

[Karrie788]

Yeah, even though I wasn't thrilled, I wasn't surprised to see they "got rid" of Jacob's romance. But to have him cheat on her? Didn't they have more "subtle" ways to get rid of him without completely assassinating his character? Why did they have Shep and Jacob inevitably break up anyway? Given the amount of scenes Jacob had, you still could get the Paramour achievement with him. Just a quick "I love you but I have business to take care of". It still would have sucked, but it wouldn't have been that much of a slap in the face. A little bit like... well, Jack!

OMEGA SPOILERS

Lesbians' treatment aside, I think in both cases, the kiss was hilariously awkward. And yes, I wish there was a way to say "Woah! Back off, lady!", but then again, it happens so fast... Shepard looks stoned in that scene. I know my Shep would have punched her hard in the face.
It still makes me wonder what's going through Aria's head. Didn't she just lose someone very close to her? Close enough for her to go into berserk mode and fall into an obvious trap? Then again I suppose it was just an awkward kiss.

Modifié par Karrie788, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[Thrazesul]

Meh, I've decided to see the humour in that scene instead. Aria probably prefer females anyway, and the fact they make "fun" of maleshep is pretty great. But yes, I'm sure it's aimed towards the guys who like girl/girl too.

Pretty much feels like Aria does it, only "because".

[mythlover20]

Dear gods an extra five pages in two days..... I knew I should have taken my lap top to Townsville with me yesterday. :S

Anyway, it just occured to me that I been forgetting to let you guys know about the essay updates so I'm just gonna give you guys a link to my da journal: I've just updated it with a massive WALL-O-TEXT of everything completed. By jeebus it's a massive wall. Any insights you are willing to give will be appreciated.

http://mythlover20.d...rt.com/journal/

I'll read those pages in the morning when I'm not cross-eyed with tiredness. But from what I gathered scrolling down this page:

Hi LucyMaire! Rant away. This is a thread of sanctuary and comfort and table-flipping, ranting is most welcome. Also there is chocolate, booze, and the ever loved <ridges>, I also agree. ME3 is so bloody broken that frankly I want EA to go under, so I can get a group of us together to buy the ME and DA IPs, and form our own game company so we can retconn ME3's existance and rewrite the bloody thing. And I'm tired of people calling us whiners because we are demanding quality for our money. Which is all this boils down to. We were sold an inferior product for high-end prices. Basically we were ripped off. If it was any other industry other than the gaming industry there would have been massive lawsuits that would have resulted in the company going under.

And I haven't played Omega and I'm not going to. I'm not buying DLC for a game I don't play. I'd rather finish buying the ME2 and DA2 DLCs so I can finish the games and then throw BioWare to the curb for good. Unless they fix Thane of course. Then I'll take them on a game-by-game basis. :S

[Vlk3]

Roxy wrote...

@Beanie Your welcome, I'm glad to be a part of it! ^^

@Vlk I put out the links to the artist who did that one up above as the one I put out on the last page,I didn't know which one you meant lol...they are both done by the same artist. I wish it was my Shep to...heck I wish was me lol....

@Mnomaha  Hmmm would the first name be Han?

Oh, last time I didn't see the one on previous page, sorry.
As for the name of that person - yes, it was him. 


About ME3... I think that the only thing that destroyed the game for my is Thane's death and lack of proper romance content. If they ever fix this, I'll be eager to buy Omega, Leviathan and from Ashes and whatever comes next. Sure, there are many flaws in the game, but sometimes I think that people complain too much. I try to look at this from the perspective. I can see some flaws in Omega (from what I've seen on yt), but I liked such things as class-specific interrupt, the influence you can have on Aria, Nyreen being an interesting character (and a female turian, which is what many people around here asked for). And many more. Of course, there were some lame things, like Aria being back on the Citadel after the DLC is finished. This was actually the worst, it makes absolutely no sense and somehow it feels like all that taking back Omega was for nothing. As for glitches... I could care less about the glitches. It just happens, and it's far less important than the story. I could exchange graphics and gameplay even with ME1 if that meant that I could bring Thane and other ME2 squadmates on the Normandy.

Modifié par Vlk3, 01 décembre 2012 - 09:10 .

[JECW]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

JECW wrote...
She is still the only character who can't die.

Not entirely true, she can die on the beam run.  But it's the only place she can die, and only with appallingly low EMS.

I had forgotten that she can die. It only happens with the EC, and if your EMS is low. It also happens at the very end of the game. You still have her through the entire game before that. You still get her in all the DLC becuase they happen before the end. You don't really have an entire game without her.

[giftfish]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

But at the end of the day, you're right.  They are paid to sell a product for entertainment and consumption.  "Artistic integrity" is a bull excuse to hide behind.  Movies are art.  Books are art.  Graphic design is art.  Video games are art.  And they all involve selling a product that people weigh in on.  User feedback is part of that process whether the ME team likes it or not.

This a hundred times.

BioWare is a company and their goal is to make profits.  They can claim "artistic integrity" all they want, but if they want to make money, they'll make what the CUSTOMER wants to pay for.  There's a reason why starving artists are well....starving.  You can insist on staying true to your "vision", but if the vision doesn't pay the bills, then it's not worth much.

The unfortunate fact is that action/shooters are far more profitable than RPGs.  So, EA wants to turn Mass Effect into an action/shooter, rather than the action/RPG that it was created as -- customers who have been with the franchise since the beginning, be damned.  Their exodus will be dwarfed by the new customers who will pick up the game due to the removal/dumbing down of the RPG mechanics in conjunction with the implementation of the increased action/shooter elements.

That is the hard truth of it, and that is why EA and BioWare have lost my business. 

They might be claiming artistic integrity, but in my eyes they have lost their integrity.  It's been replaced by greed and desire for more profits. I'd rather see them go under than have them continue to compromise the true integrity of their games.

[Sable Rhapsody]

mythlover20 wrote...
 Basically we were ripped off. If it was any other industry other than the gaming industry there would have been massive lawsuits that would have resulted in the company going under. 

There's a good reason why entertainment media in general (not just video games) works differently.  If you get sold a bad physical product (car, food, etc.) it can be a health and safety concern.  There are recalls, damages, in extreme situations lawsuits.  If you watch a crappy movie or play a bad game, it's just a bad product.  There's no REASON for a massive lawsuit or anything so dramatic.  The only thing you can do about it is a) offer feedback and withhold your money in the future.

giftfish wrote...
They might be claiming artistic integrity, but in my eyes they have lost their integrity.  It's been replaced by greed and desire for more profits. I'd rather see them go under than have them continue to compromise the true integrity of their games.

See, I'm still 100% on board with the DA team.  I liked DA2--despite its rough polish, there was a good game in there, the opposite situation of ME3 in some respects.  And the DA devs have been pretty good for the most part about listening to feedback and responding to fans.

[giftfish]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

See, I'm still 100% on board with the DA team.  I liked DA2--despite its rough polish, there was a good game in there, the opposite situation of ME3 in some respects.  And the DA devs have been pretty good for the most part about listening to feedback and responding to fans.

Yeah, from what I hear the DA  team is more receptive than the ME team. However, my guess is also that the DA team isn't under the same pressure by EA to market themselves as an action/shooter in an attempt to pull in the major dollars.

I'll insert the caveat that I haven't played DA2.  I am really enjoying DAO, but I hear mostly bad things about DA2, and seeing how abysmal the sales were shocked me a bit.  Also, I won't make any new EA/BW  purchases, so by imposing that restriction on myself, I won't be able to experience it.  Honestly, I'm a bit ok with that, as I'm not a fan of how they changed up all the characters in DA2.  Reminds me too much of how they axed my entire ME2 team in ME3  

Modifié par giftfish, 01 décembre 2012 - 10:54 .

[Thrazesul]

I'm casually waiting for DA3 actually. That's the last chance I will give Bioware, although I'll be checking the reviews first before I go near that one. Unlike ME3, they didn't throw females to the side in DA2 (from what I can tell). Not to say that DA2 provided me with one of my favorite romances.

I don't see why DA2's rep is so bad. I replayed that game several times, it's among one of my favorite games in fact. But then I had no super love for any character in DAO so maybe that's why.

I wonder how much the devs care about keeping these threads on the right track. In case they do...

Thane, Thane, Thane, Thane.

>.>

[Seifer006]

Real Damn Good

Modifié par Seifer006, 02 décembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[wildannie]

I'm all for artistic integrity... if its there, but the way that term was bandied about by BW in an attempt to cover up all that was crap about ME3 was laughable/pathetic... seriously, I don't know how they can even say it out loud without feeling embarrassed. I have absolutely no doubt that there were numerous, vary talented artists working on all aspects of ME3, but the integrity of their work was so very clearly compromised by poor decisions that placed profit over quality. I have no idea who was actually responsible for the end to the trilogy (referring to the whole of ME3 here), but they should be so very ashamed.

@Seifer & giftfish ... I'm really wishing I had a beer right now.