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[firel]

^I don't have any beer... But I have the next best thing. Or better thing. Shrios smut!
Obviously very NSFW (If you don't like Thane errm... *cough* on the bottom, I wouldn't look at these pictures): x x


SPOILERS
@DragonSlayer63: That's okay if you liked the kiss with Aria, but saying its something FemShep gets but MShep doesn't.. doesn't cut it for me seeing exactly who the kiss was obviously targeted towards. And having it be unavoidable with a renegade Shep is just all kinds of ****ty. My Sheps lean Ren and they would all have punched her square in the mouth too.
Just imagine the crapfest that would have happened if renegade MShep was forced to kiss a male character without an interrupt like that. I laugh just thinking about it.

[DragonSlayer63]

firel wrote...
SPOILERS
@DragonSlayer63: That's okay if you liked the kiss with Aria, but saying its something FemShep gets but MShep doesn't.. doesn't cut it for me seeing exactly who the kiss was obviously targeted towards. And having it be unavoidable with a renegade Shep is just all kinds of ****ty. My Sheps lean Ren and they would all have punched her square in the mouth too.
Just imagine the crapfest that would have happened if renegade MShep was forced to kiss a male character without an interrupt like that. I laugh just thinking about it.

Wow, I hadn't thought about it that way. Yeah, there is no way they'd give even a slightest hint about maleShep being gay/bi without player's own choice. But of course it's okay to make femShep look like lesbian... <_<
And, had the kiss been with any other female character than Aria, I would have been flipping tables. I'm sure there are renegade Shep players (male and female) who don't like Aria, so the scene really is unfair.
Now, if I ever see maleShep being forced to kiss a man, my life will be complete...

Oh, and @firel those pictures were... inspiring. I do like to think about Thane as the submissive party, though perhaps not in such a radical way, LOL.

[mythlover20]

You know, everytime I come in here (which is not as much as it should be. Bad, BAD mythi) I keep finding more and more reasons to love Thane, and hate BioWare. If I have to see one more act of forced lesbianism.....



Now I have nothing wrong with lesbians or lesbianism so no trolls who may pop in here go off at me on that. I have no problem with it, so long as it's my choice. I choose whether or not to have a lesbian Shepard or enter into a same-sex relationship in real life, but the second someone forces it on me in any scenario bone fragments are gonna fly.

I think I've gotten off topic again. So.... thanethanethanethanethanethanethanethane. Hmmm. Yes. There he was.

Speaking of: firel? This pics.... hmm... very nice. I personally prefer my men to be more dominant but still.... how did dragonslayer's sis put it.... ah yes.... inspiring *eyebrow waggle*

Coincidentally, my dear firel, you may enjoy this little fic that I found on aff. Naturally NSFW. Have fun. Necessary

[Karrie788]

@mythlover: Hell, even I'm annoyed at all the lesbianism in this game, so I don't blame you. 

firel wrote...
SPOILERS
@DragonSlayer63: That's okay if you liked the kiss with Aria, but saying its something FemShep gets but MShep doesn't.. doesn't cut it for me seeing exactly who the kiss was obviously targeted towards. And having it be unavoidable with a renegade Shep is just all kinds of ****ty. My Sheps lean Ren and they would all have punched her square in the mouth too.
Just imagine the crapfest that would have happened if renegade MShep was forced to kiss a male character without an interrupt like that. I laugh just thinking about it.

Reminds me of some reactions about Steve's romance, because boohoo, my character's not gay, I don't want to get hit on by Steve. Let's put aside the fact that Steve never hits on you if you don't push him a little, but not once did they think of FemShep players (straight women or not) who were forced, as they put it, to get hit on by girls during the entire three games. I still hate meeting with Sha'ira in ME1. But it's two girls, so it's okay.
Ah, double standards.

On topic, Thane is still awesome.

@firel: Wow. These are... nice.

Modifié par Karrie788, 02 décembre 2012 - 11:34 .

[DineBoo]

Also add to the fact that no non skeevy men (human, alien, or otherwise) don't hit on femShep. I'd loved to get hit on by the turian at Noveria (forgot his name) a reformed Corporal Toombs. And it's scary I can't think of others right now.

The feeling like femShep is forced into lesbian is why I think they wanted her to be because of Liara. And I'm getting tired that lesbianism is being used for the titillation of horny guys. Because you know they wouldn't have a gay guy hit on maleShep for female or homosexual players benefit.

Once I was the type of person who would eventually try out different romances. I'm doing that with Persona 3 and Persona 4, and other titles. Eventually I would get around to trying a gay romance. But BW has put me off to this completely.

[mnomaha]

Did anybody else think the Citadel gardener (I think he was, about the fish...) would have been good for a flirt?

[Twilight_Princess]

DineBoo wrote...

Also add to the fact that no non skeevy men (human, alien, or otherwise) don't hit on femShep. I'd loved to get hit on by the turian at Noveria (forgot his name) a reformed Corporal Toombs. And it's scary I can't think of others right now.

The feeling like femShep is forced into lesbian is why I think they wanted her to be because of Liara. And I'm getting tired that lesbianism is being used for the titillation of horny guys. Because you know they wouldn't have a gay guy hit on maleShep for female or homosexual players benefit.

Once I was the type of person who would eventually try out different romances. I'm doing that with Persona 3 and Persona 4, and other titles. Eventually I would get around to trying a gay romance. But BW has put me off to this completely.

Ah Lorik  if I could I would have totally hit that . Wouldn't have been great if the reward for helping him out could have resulted in a "private drink" hehe.  Some femsheps like men bioware, it would have been nice to have a couple of male flings in the games. I think donnelly was planned to be a "kelly" but that  idea was scrapped. I think that was as close as they got to including a male fling for femsheps.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 02 décembre 2012 - 06:16 .

[AresKeith]

I also found it weird that most FemShep LIs are female

[DragonSlayer63]

About male flings / males hitting on Shep... Well I know this doesn't exactly count as flirting but, remember that talk Mordin gives Shepard if s/he doesn't romance anyone in ME2? He thinks Shep is interested in him. I find that adorable, and in my twisted mind the talk is Mordin's way to either find out if Shep is interested in him or wake his/her interest... or perhaps deny the feelings he has for him/her because he is afraid. But that's just me. xD I've wanted to romance that damn salarian since the day my first Shepard walked into his clinic.

But yeah, I, too, wish there were more male characters hitting on femShep -- and in a friendly way. How about that quarian merchant, Kenn, from Omega? He had Gideon Emery's voice IIRC. I found him kind of cute.

[Sable Rhapsody]

giftfish wrote...
I'll insert the caveat that I haven't played DA2.  I am really enjoying DAO, but I hear mostly bad things about DA2, and seeing how abysmal the sales were shocked me a bit.  Also, I won't make any new EA/BW  purchases, so by imposing that restriction on myself, I won't be able to experience it.  Honestly, I'm a bit ok with that, as I'm not a fan of how they changed up all the characters in DA2.  Reminds me too much of how they axed my entire ME2 team in ME3  

I'll be the first to admit that there are a LOT of problems with DA2.  The major bugs have been patched, but the game was still clearly a rushed job, and it shows in the level design and especially the word budget in the last third of the game.  But if you wanna buy it used or rent, I'd say it's worth at least giving a chance.  Besides, when do you ever hear anything good about ANYTHING on BSN? 

DA2 has a fantastic cast, solid VAs, much more gender equality for the player, and an interesting if incomplete plot.  I personally also liked its unconventional story structure, even if I think it was implemented patchily.  DA is very different from ME in that it's not one protagonist's story.  The plan is for each DA game to have a different protagonist, different location, and different cast--think more Assassin's Creed than Mass Effect for comparison.

AresKeith wrote...

I also found it weird that most FemShep LIs are female

Is it bad that this kind of crap no longer bothers me in quite the way it used to?  I still think it's unfair and should be changed, but I've gotten so used to it in video games that I just think, "Meh, what else is new?"

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:26 .

[Karrie788]

Kenn, Lorik, Toombs, the gardener... I approve. Hell, even Feron. Feron was cute.
I wish FemShep could have been hit on the same way the Warden occasionnally was in DA:O.
Donnelly? Donnelly was supposed to be a semi-romance option? I would have hit that!  At least he makes a cute couple with Gabriela...

@Sable:That's called ordinary sexism. And I hate it. And I do it too. And I hate myself for doing it.

Modifié par Karrie788, 02 décembre 2012 - 08:31 .

[coldwetn0se]

@firel - LOLOLOL on that NSFW pic....*pervy grin!* One thing though....why is Thane (at least in many of the more "explicit" pics I have seen) always.....mmmm....ah screwit! Circumsized. I'm not sure why, but I always find that "odd" looking on an alien. XD

As for the "forcing" of flirts by females on both male and female Shepards, but no male,non-boorish flirts on both Shepards, this has been an unbalance in all three games. I don't take offense to females flirting with my F!Sheps, but I would then expect male versions to occur as well. And as for the kiss by Aria....yes, my two renegons (one female, one male) would not have even given her the chance to kiss them. Neither of them liked Aria. So being forced to watch an automated cutscene of such, would be (yet again) another immersion breaking, "disconnection" to my Shepard, moment in me3. Not what an RPG should be aiming for. It works fine in a statically created PC, but not in a "mold your own" character.
My .02.

[Hisilome]

Oh, finally!!!!Great to be back here, my firewall refused to let me into my fori on both my pcs for the past couple of weeks!!!O.o

Funny thing, the more I hear about the latest ME3 DLC, the less I want to buy it-lol, and I was pretty much against it to begin with, only pondered it because of the female Turian news; my Shepard would sooner lock Aria up than help her retake Omega, for crying out loud!

And what is that I am reading above about an automated cut-scene kiss?:s

[Karrie788]

Spoilers for Omega.

If you keep siding with Aria (read: play Renegade) and let her kill the bad guy at the end, she unavoidably kisses you.

[Hisilome]

Yeaah...my Shep would shoot her there!!*nods and blinks*

There should be an 'avoid' option; Bioware has learnt nothing from past mistakes, it seems!:/

[JECW]

I had no plans on buying Omega and the more I hear about it the less I like.
I keep hearing so many bad things about it like bad voice acting, that turian dying, shepard not really being needed at all. They say it has some bad glitches as well. I hear it doesn't really add anything to the main story of ME3 anyway.

I've also seen that kiss on youtube. My shepards like Aria well enough, but that kiss should have been an option. It looks so awkward for both Mshep and Femshep. What was the point of adding it anyway?

[Vlk3]

I think that the kiss scene is hilarious. And to me it's not meant to be serious at all. Forcing Shepard into being lesbian? No, it's just a way of a response to people who want to have sex with everything that moves. It wasn't true, passionate kiss, just look at them. Shepard looks bemused. Aria is more like "Oh well, deal with it, I do what I want. Don't even start the topic" and she looks like rebellious teenager. I really like it and I think that my renegade Shepard wouldn't mind even after Thane's death.

Modifié par Vlk3, 02 décembre 2012 - 11:14 .

[JECW]

Vlk3 wrote...

I think that the kiss scene is hilarious. And to me it's not meant to be serious at all. Forcing Shepard into being lesbian? No, it's just a way of a response to people who want to have sex with everything that moves. It wasn't true, passionate kiss, just look at them. Shepard looks bemused. Aria is more like "Oh well, deal with it, I do what I want. Don't even start the topic" and she looks like rebellious teenager. I really like it and I think that my renegade Shepard wouldn't mind even after Thane's death.

The kiss didn't really bother me because it looks so silly. FemShep gives her a blank look and MShep has a goofy look on his face at the end.  When she grabs them and turns them around they look like lifeless dolls. Aria doesn't really look into it, and probably wonders why she did it in the first place.

Modifié par JECW, 02 décembre 2012 - 11:50 .

[Roxy]

@firel Those pics are...a bit disturbing,but seeing Thane naked,f***ing golden! ^^

No offense but that kiss between femshep and aria seemed more passionate than the one with maleshep and aria.

If they make a DLC that fixes the mess they made with Thane and Jacob then hey I will have a little more respect for BW and give them another chance but as of right now it seems they are more into turning my shep into a lesbian...no offense to bi's or lesbians. I don't think it's fair when Bw takes away my LI and give me same sex LI's. That is not my cup of tea,nor is it with my Femshep.

Oh and btw I am playing DA2 for the 3rd time and love it,I'm romancing Anders this time..I have tried ot play DA:O but I have just gotten halfway through it and i have been palying it for days...I give up cause Ihave gotten stuck and am bored with it now....

Modifié par Roxy, 02 décembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[firel]

LMAO I'm really sorry if I disturbed anyone, I'm well aware that my tastes are.... errrrr, bizarre to some. I guess it stems from personal preferences, my Sheps being more on the renegade side and I have a really hard time seeing Thane as dominant since he's more of a passive and eager-to-please character when not in assassin mode. My headcanon that drell are more matriarchal doesn't help either. *shrug* I figured that even if most people aren't into femdom hopefully seeing RIDGES was good enough, lol.

@mythlover20: Thanks for the link, I'll bookmark it and check it out later when it's not dead week aah. Although I'm not too sure what to think about Javik being involved if I'm reading the description right? o.O

@Vlk3: I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think making something like that unavoidable is a douche thing to do. Kind of like Thane's death... grumble.....

[Sable Rhapsody]

Roxy wrote...
Oh and btw I am playing DA2 for the 3rd time and love it,I'm romancing Anders this time..I have tried ot play DA:O but I have just gotten halfway through it and i have been palying it for days...I give up cause Ihave gotten stuck and am bored with it now....

Crazy cat-loving terrorist abominations FTW.  To this day, there is no other character who inspires such a range of emotional responses from me, everything from "I love you" to "I want to rip your f***ing brains out" 

firel wrote...
@Vlk3: I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think making something like that unavoidable is a douche thing to do. Kind of like Thane's death... grumble.....

Plenty of elements in BioWare's games are unavoidable, usually main plotline events.  Like the Reaper invasion, Ostagar, the main character in KOTOR's backstory, the Bhaalspawn war in BG, etc.  Even lesser plotline events are usually exactly the same from game to game, or retconned to turn out the same in imported games.  These sorts of plot rails and restrictions are necessary to keep the narrative moving and the game reasonable for the devs to write and program.

But other BioWare games (even DA2 and ME2) gave the player enough influence over secondary things (romance storylines, PC characterization, outcomes of sidequests and elements of the main quest. etc.) to preserve an illusion of influence and choice.  There's very little any BioWare game allows you to do about the core plot, but a lot of the window dressing is up to the player.  That illusion is important for roleplaying games, and it broke down pretty spectacularly in parts of ME3.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 03 décembre 2012 - 02:51 .

[firel]

Sable, I know you're trying to be devil's advocate here but that's taking it too far. A kiss isn't comparable to freaking plot events and isn't needed to "keep the narrative moving." Also if you're okay with there being no options to save Thane I'm wondering why you're even here. Not trying to be rude at all but I'm just confused.

[Emeraldfern]

*Exhales relief over being almost done with the last heavy school work this term*

So, ehem...Hi everyone!

And there's a lot to catch up on....

re: Aria's "kiss"

I can see the humourous side regarding that kiss. Heh, part of me did laugh out loud when I saw the comparison between Fem-Shep & Male-Shep the first time.

That said, a Renegade interrupt for som kind of "How about no" reaction from Shepard when Aria is about to kiss him/her wouldn't have been too much to ask imo. Actually, they could have made a hilarious "Wait wut, you don't want me?" look from Aria if you interrupted it. Would have made for two hilarious scenes instead of one. Win-win in that case.

On a slightly related note...the continous "girl on girl action" pandering is annoying me too, and yes, this is coming from another bi woman. Ironically, I was only interested in one of the available female options: Samantha (though the shower scene is just...ugh no), so it's obviously not the fact that there are same-sex options for Fem-Shep that bothers me, but rather, it's the fact that removing two of Fem-Shep's opposite-sex options while Male-Shep gets to keep all of his opposite-sex options, is ok for "whatever reason"*.

That, and the fact that Fem-Shep has more same-sex options than Male-Shep. Not cool. It should be equal on that front too.

*/ "Whatever reason" = Bad reason in this case.

Addendum: I detest removing LIs. So I'm not advocating removing Jack/Miranda/Kelly. Rather, not removing anyone at all, period. That, and teasing people with possible future content and then go "lol, nope. Not gonna happen." like in the cases of Samara and Thane (the hints about a relationship development for Samara, and a cure/treatment for Thane) instead of properly addressing them in an appropiate way that followed up on the "teased" content .

re:Male flirts

Lorik Qui'in? I liked him...Pfft...his comment on Benezia was hilarious. (As was Kaidan's follow up comment) XD

"Check out the Demael(spelling?) flowers, they're coming in very nicely" - Aw.. the Presidium Groundskeeper, I wouldn't have minded getting a flower from him! :3

That said, I personally wouldn't have minded to have Donnelly as a male counterpart to Kelly...but alas, no...

Now that I think about "male flirts" in gaming, I can only name two* male characters that automatically flirts with a pc regardless of their gender: Zevran from DAO, and Reaver from Fable 2 & 3**. Which is a bit sad tbh.

*/ I haven't played DA2 so it's possible I'm missing someone. Or if there's any other game title/character I've forgotten.

**/ I'm only counting characters that flirt with both genders, and are the ones to initiate flirting; so Berwick, Tamlen, Teagan, Gorim and Dairren from DAO do not count, and neither does Kaidan and Steve from Mass Effect 3.

Oh, and while I'm here...@coldi:

I'm sorry for being seriously late with an answer regarding Screenshot Thursday, but I'm currently capturing screens from the Jacob romance, so I'll pass them along when I'm done. Should I send them via PM when I'm done?

Oh, and @firel:

That pic is unf imo. "Switching roles" just makes for variety, and there ain't nothing wrong with variety. Just as there is nothing wrong with not "switching" either.
I.e "Whatever floats your particular ship" = Good.

I'll admit, my own Shrios isn't "one-sided" as far as positions are concerned, although I can't see my own über-Paragon Ivy, in that particular role though. But irregardless of my ramblings, I like the pic.

And...since it's well over bedtime in my timezone, and I'm rambling like I've lost my marbles all over the place, it's time for some shut-eye for me.

[mnomaha]

firel wrote...

Sable, I know you're trying to be devil's advocate here but that's taking it too far. A kiss isn't comparable to freaking plot events and isn't needed to "keep the narrative moving." Also if you're okay with there being no options to save Thane I'm wondering why you're even here. Not trying to be rude at all but I'm just confused.

*scratches head* I didn't get any of that from Sable's post...Sable is and, to my knowledge, always has been one of our stalwart supporters. Having said that, there was I time I wanted to turn the cannons are her (sorry Sable).

As much as I do get irritated at certain people's unending logic and common sense, I think it's needed because really...I don't know about ya'll, but I just get so p*ssed off every time I think about it...I wanna say really bad things. But I don't want to be the one responsible for getting the thread locked. 

Now, I'm going back to Skyrim and I might play some NWN a bit later too. You know...games you can still role play.

[coldwetn0se]

*BORK!*

Before I say the following, just a quick qualifier: I can actually see where both parties are coming from, but the fact remains; forum thread open to all.

@firel - I feel your frustration, but I think you may have stopped reading @Sable's post before the end of it. 

@Sable wrote...,.,

 That illusion is important for roleplaying games, and it broke down pretty spectacularly in parts of ME3.
 

This last line of hers is actually agreeing with the mucking up of choices when it comes to said "window dressing".  Those mechanics and role playing elements, that let us truly immerse ourselves in our character.  It would have been a bit easier to follow though, had the "agreements" been addressed first and the "althoughs" after.  If that makes any sense.  Bah!  I'll probably be considered a meddler, but I just don't want people to feel they can't express their opinions at all.  Even when they follow a different train of thought. 

@Emerald - Gods love ya, chica!  Whenever you are ready to send me some Jacob-loving screenies, just send me a PM.  I'll give you my email address, and you can email them to me, OR you can post a link where I can copy said screenshots.  Many, many thanks for your time on this!!

Now, if I had a nice Thane pic to add to this post, I would.....my internet is acting wonky, and PB is being a pain.  So if anyone has a nice Thane pic to post, I wouldn't object.

**EDIT**

DOH!  Ninja'd by @mnomaha!!  I am such a sloooooow typer.  HA!

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 03 décembre 2012 - 04:27 .