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[coldwetn0se]

JECW wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

I would guess that the reality of it is, that "most" females (and males too.....just a really small % that bothered), who romanced Thane ARE in their 20's. BUT, Thane probably has the most females over the age of 35, who chose him as a LI. There just isn't as large of a number of over 35 yr olds playing these games, as there are 18-34 year olds.

Happy Holidays, Drellickers!

Back when ME2 came out it looked like most were in thier 30's to me. I didn't see very many in their 20's. From what I read then some of the younger players thought he was to old and they didn't like the fact that he had a child that was close to their age. They also didn't like the fact that he was married before. Their loss I guess.

I would agree that many of the posters in the Thane thread are a bit older (not all, but many), however, the statistics I have seen regarding average player age, and the statistical data @giftfish (and myself to a degree) have analyzed from the Romance Survey (the one that started the Cosmic Love blog), is that the majority of ME gamers do appear to be between the ages of 18-34.  We can actually see the correlation between those in that age range that chose Thane as a romance option, and those in the 35 and older range who also chose him.  Percentage wise, I would argue (though I haven't fully examined the data yet) that females 35 and older are fairly "high" on romancing Thane.  But due to the fact, there are simply more players in the 18-35yr range, they have the higher "number" (not necessarily percentage) of female gamers who romanced Thane.

As for your assessment to "why" some younger gamers wouldn't choose Thane to romance, I think you hit some of the key points; his age and previous marital status.  And yes, I would agree....they are missing out.

[gearseffect]

coldwetn0se wrote...

JECW wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

I would guess that the reality of it is, that "most" females (and males too.....just a really small % that bothered), who romanced Thane ARE in their 20's. BUT, Thane probably has the most females over the age of 35, who chose him as a LI. There just isn't as large of a number of over 35 yr olds playing these games, as there are 18-34 year olds.

Happy Holidays, Drellickers!

Back when ME2 came out it looked like most were in thier 30's to me. I didn't see very many in their 20's. From what I read then some of the younger players thought he was to old and they didn't like the fact that he had a child that was close to their age. They also didn't like the fact that he was married before. Their loss I guess.

I would agree that many of the posters in the Thane thread are a bit older (not all, but many), however, the statistics I have seen regarding average player age, and the statistical data @giftfish (and myself to a degree) have analyzed from the Romance Survey (the one that started the Cosmic Love blog), is that the majority of ME gamers do appear to be between the ages of 18-34.  We can actually see the correlation between those in that age range that chose Thane as a romance option, and those in the 35 and older range who also chose him.  Percentage wise, I would argue (though I haven't fully examined the data yet) that females 35 and older are fairly "high" on romancing Thane.  But due to the fact, there are simply more players in the 18-35yr range, they have the higher "number" (not necessarily percentage) of female gamers who romanced Thane.

As for your assessment to "why" some younger gamers wouldn't choose Thane to romance, I think you hit some of the key points; his age and previous marital status.  And yes, I would agree....they are missing out.

I heard most female gamers romanced Liara and most male gamers romanced Miranda and no male gamers romanced Liara other then those at buttware. Ok I'm full of sh!t. B

Back before ME3 came out Thane had a fan base that consisted of both females and males and it was massive it riveled that of Garrus'. Which not all of them obvously had him as their LI but that's besides the point the point is that the audaince that BW had pre-ME3 and that hanged aroung here is clearly mostly all gone. Thane no longer appears to have that massive fan base like Garrus does.

[JECW]

gearseffect wrote...

Back before ME3 came out Thane had a fan base that consisted of both females and males and it was massive it riveled that of Garrus'. Which not all of them obvously had him as their LI but that's besides the point the point is that the audaince that BW had pre-ME3 and that hanged aroung here is clearly mostly all gone. Thane no longer appears to have that massive fan base like Garrus does.

I had heard that Thane had a huge thread before ME2 came out. I don't know what happened after that.
I honeslty don't know how large Thane's fanbase is.
I remember how huge the Tali thread was back during ME2. I don't think any thread was as big as the ones she had.

[coldwetn0se]

It's not so much about general popularity (which I would agree, Thane did have quite a bit back when ME2 was the rage), as it is about those that chose to romance said characters. The Survey, for example, had questions to extrapolate the survey takers age, and who they romanced (and that includes how many different characters they romanced). More men romanced Liara. Garrus and Kaidan lead in females romancing them, with Thane following.

As for the decline in Thane popularity, I put it simply to this: out of sight, out of mind. me3 did NOTHING to add to his character or personal storyline. Then to top it off, they removed his Paramour status. They "used" his character to introduce another character that was new to the game (Kai Lame). Just because they threw in the prayer during his death scene, doesn't mean his character was expanded or added to. In fact, I call it a cheap shot. But that is more my opinion, than anything else.

Once Thane was out of the picture (and for many, they just accepted it), his character was forgotten. I have seen a number of posts over the past 3-4 months, where characters are listed in relation to how great they were, how well used they were, how skilled they were, ect....., and Thane is often left off of these lists. Main reason I would suspect; to most of those posters, Thane's presence no longer exists.
Out of sight, out of mind.

......tragic waste of a great character and an interesting race.....

[gearseffect]

Then there was the ME3 Miranda thread it was huge but it was a whole lot of "Ohh Miranda be most important squad mate in series shep wouldn't be alive without her" and "Chuck" and "Look Yvonne pics and stuffs" and "oohhhhhh Miranda is TIMs second in command she can run Cerberus she knows everythin bout it"

Okay sorry I shouldn't bash what goes on in threads but sometimes the Miranda thread was full of fans full of Miranda and it reminded me of the character holier than thou perfect and what not.
Anyway yeah Thane had a massive fan base that rivaled Garrus it was really sad to see it go down hill leading up to the release of ME3 most the fans who didn't have him as a LI just didn't care anymore or vanished or whatever but then again the Jacob Thread died right away the Kelly thread too, then the Samara thread went down slowly but too many of the hard core Samara fans packed it in after the EC and left.

wow amazing isn't it how BW lost so many fans due to ME3 all them fans all them customers all their money. BW lost so much and dont care they think they can do no wrong they're untouchable and above us fans. It's EAs bank rolling I'm sure of it.

[mnomaha]

Did I tell you, since we are talking about a tragic waste, that the scene where Kirrahe dies is almost the exact scene that has Thane. As in the walking down the stairs with his gun, sliding down the wall, etc., is almost *exactly* the same as if Thane were there. Lazy, just freaking ridiculous and lazy.

[gearseffect]

mnomaha wrote...

Did I tell you, since we are talking about a tragic waste, that the scene where Kirrahe dies is almost the exact scene that has Thane. As in the walking down the stairs with his gun, sliding down the wall, etc., is almost *exactly* the same as if Thane were there. Lazy, just freaking ridiculous and lazy.

I knew that but that's just the end part of it. The rest of it is wayyyyyy better than Thane's. Lame Leng goes to use his laser palm on Valern Or the other salarian councoler if the council died in ME1 anyway when he fires the laser Kirrahe is clocked and unclockes right in front of Valern and has a hole in him then Leng runs off. Ohh and Shep yells "Kirrahe" but also Shep had no real time to react to intervien like with Thane. I'm sure if Valern dies then it's the same thing as that scene just no Kirrahe.

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

Did I tell you, since we are talking about a tragic waste, that the scene where Kirrahe dies is almost the exact scene that has Thane. As in the walking down the stairs with his gun, sliding down the wall, etc., is almost *exactly* the same as if Thane were there. Lazy, just freaking ridiculous and lazy.

Is it on youtube? I haven't seen it.
For some reason I thought Kirrahe was suppose to be dead.

[mnomaha]

Kirrahe can be dead, but it depends on your ME1 playthrough. It might be on youtube, not sure though.

And yep, if the councilor gets it, all you see is Shepard running down the stairs.

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

Kirrahe can be dead, but it depends on your ME1 playthrough. It might be on youtube, not sure though.

And yep, if the councilor gets it, all you see is Shepard running down the stairs.

It's been a long time since I played ME1, but I didn't know he could be saved. He died in all of my playthroughs. At least I thought he did until he appeared in ME3.

[gearseffect]

JECW wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Kirrahe can be dead, but it depends on your ME1 playthrough. It might be on youtube, not sure though.

And yep, if the councilor gets it, all you see is Shepard running down the stairs.

It's been a long time since I played ME1, but I didn't know he could be saved. He died in all of my playthroughs. At least I thought he did until he appeared in ME3.

Nope he can be saved on Virmire if you take out some things like a com signal rig, a lot of Geth flyiers on a platform with an explosive thing you shoot so they blow up, and then just unlock the doors or whatever so that the base is full and the stgs don't have as much trouble. 

[JECW]

gearseffect wrote...

JECW wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Kirrahe can be dead, but it depends on your ME1 playthrough. It might be on youtube, not sure though.

And yep, if the councilor gets it, all you see is Shepard running down the stairs.

It's been a long time since I played ME1, but I didn't know he could be saved. He died in all of my playthroughs. At least I thought he did until he appeared in ME3.

Nope he can be saved on Virmire if you take out some things like a com signal rig, a lot of Geth flyiers on a platform with an explosive thing you shoot so they blow up, and then just unlock the doors or whatever so that the base is full and the stgs don't have as much trouble. 

Ok
I haven't played in a while so I didn't remember.

[JECW]

gearseffect wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Did I tell you, since we are talking about a tragic waste, that the scene where Kirrahe dies is almost the exact scene that has Thane. As in the walking down the stairs with his gun, sliding down the wall, etc., is almost *exactly* the same as if Thane were there. Lazy, just freaking ridiculous and lazy.

I knew that but that's just the end part of it. The rest of it is wayyyyyy better than Thane's. Lame Leng goes to use his laser palm on Valern Or the other salarian councoler if the council died in ME1 anyway when he fires the laser Kirrahe is clocked and unclockes right in front of Valern and has a hole in him then Leng runs off. Ohh and Shep yells "Kirrahe" but also Shep had no real time to react to intervien like with Thane. I'm sure if Valern dies then it's the same thing as that scene just no Kirrahe.

That makes no sense for Kirrahe to get a better fight scene. Kai Leng had to be one of the worst villians.
That fight could have been so much better if Bioware had just tried.

[mnomaha]

Or you play on pc and gibb him back to life.

[mnomaha]

*looks at time* Okay, i'm off to go have lunch with Mythi and her mum!

[coldwetn0se]

Kirahee taking up the gauntlet of protecting his races diplomats, just makes sense. Thane's part was to make a cinematic to "further" introduce Lame, while using up an old squaddie from the previous game. They make him practically bossom-buddies with the Grim Reaper (Death), but have him chasing down an assassin. Meanwhile, all I wanna ask is, "where's your son, Thane?" Between them writing him as being sooooo physically limited, and the fact that his only living child is on the very space station that this Coup is occuring on, it just seems so incredibly contrived to use him in this capacity. It should have been Kirahee, maybe someone like Bailey (CSEC), or the end of the Salarian Councilor. Those setups make sense.

Now if they hadn't made Thane out to be on his last leg, and some reference to Kolyat was made, then fine, him helping out during the Coup in such a capacity would have been tolerable (not necessary to have him stabbed at all anyway....just a bit of sparing, and KL leaves when Shep and Co. show up....too many variables for him to defeat, so it makes sense for him to flee.). But as it is, no. Of course, I think the Coup was not well done to begin with, and was really not needed. There were so many possibilities they could have employed to show further treachery within our own government, to show the reach of Cerberus' hand, to put the VS at odds (once again) with Shepard, creating a "defining" moment for characters. Bah!! Wasted potential (and no, I am not referring to them finding ANOTHER way of killing off Thane....lol. Obviously.)

Shoulda, coulda, woulda......what is, is.........unfortunately.

[gearseffect]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Kirahee taking up the gauntlet of protecting his races diplomats, just makes sense. Thane's part was to make a cinematic to "further" introduce Lame, while using up an old squaddie from the previous game. They make him practically bossom-buddies with the Grim Reaper (Death), but have him chasing down an assassin. Meanwhile, all I wanna ask is, "where's your son, Thane?" Between them writing him as being sooooo physically limited, and the fact that his only living child is on the very space station that this Coup is occuring on, it just seems so incredibly contrived to use him in this capacity. It should have been Kirahee, maybe someone like Bailey (CSEC), or the end of the Salarian Councilor. Those setups make sense.

Now if they hadn't made Thane out to be on his last leg, and some reference to Kolyat was made, then fine, him helping out during the Coup in such a capacity would have been tolerable (not necessary to have him stabbed at all anyway....just a bit of sparing, and KL leaves when Shep and Co. show up....too many variables for him to defeat, so it makes sense for him to flee.). But as it is, no. Of course, I think the Coup was not well done to begin with, and was really not needed. There were so many possibilities they could have employed to show further treachery within our own government, to show the reach of Cerberus' hand, to put the VS at odds (once again) with Shepard, creating a "defining" moment for characters. Bah!! Wasted potential (and no, I am not referring to them finding ANOTHER way of killing off Thane....lol. Obviously.)

Shoulda, coulda, woulda......what is, is.........unfortunately.

Did you somehow hack my computer and steal my fic(s), rough drafts, the outline of the whole thing, act1, act 2, act 3,  and the scripts, WIP chapters, the polished chapters,  did you hack my computer and steal my plans? 

@JECW, Kirrehe don't have a fight scene really it's more of a scene where he dies in a way that feels right, not with so many odd questions and stupid nonsense action and jump on the sward while Shep and Co sit there having pop corn. It's a simpe scene plays out normally then istead of Thane coming in Leng blasts at Vanlern and Kirrahe was right there.

[coldwetn0se]

*rubs hand deviously* No my dear boy.....I read MINDS! MWAHAHAHAHA.....

Hey, us storytellers have some damn fine ideas. *wink/nod*

[DragonSlayer63]

coldwetn0se wrote...
Kirahee taking up the gauntlet of protecting his races diplomats, just makes sense. Thane's part was to make a cinematic to "further" introduce Lame, while using up an old squaddie from the previous game. They make him practically bossom-buddies with the Grim Reaper (Death), but have him chasing down an assassin. Meanwhile, all I wanna ask is, "where's your son, Thane?" Between them writing him as being sooooo physically limited, and the fact that his only living child is on the very space station that this Coup is occuring on, it just seems so incredibly contrived to use him in this capacity. It should have been Kirahee, maybe someone like Bailey (CSEC), or the end of the Salarian Councilor. Those setups make sense.

This! I found it really hard to believe that the first person Thane would think about in that situation would be Shepard (even if romanced). Okay, maybe he called Kolyat before calling Shepard but that still doesn't make sense. Shepard has his/her squad to help him/her. Thane is terminally ill and he probably knows he would only be a burden to Shep. So why does he try to reach Shepard? It just seems so suicidal to me.
I've been pondering how to write the coup in my AU fic, and for now, I've made Thane look for Kolyat during the coup. He saves Kolyat from some Cerberus soldiers and probably gets shot but survives thanks to lung transplant he has received earlier and Kolyat who is there to donate him blood. I'd like to write it so it would make sense in the game, too, and I think it does: if Thane is loyal (=has found his son), he will live, just like many other ME2 squaddies. But his story is still kind of, um, disconnected with Shepard / the player. They might have some interaction via *whatever communication system they use* and meet later in hospital but still... I dunno. I'll have to work on it.

[CroGamer002]

My idea of Citadel Coup should have involved System Alliance and bare minimum of Cerberus.

Wouldn't it be far more interesting if System's Alliance wanted to stage Cerberus assault on Citadel and killing councilors?
It would show how Citadel, Council and C-Sec are very vulnerable and weak, while showing System Alliance is only one capable to protect and to make everyone to focus on Earth to end war.
As well, having "good guys" do such thing would be very interesting to see then comic book space n@zis.


As well Ashley/Kaidan would have very hard time to believe System Alliance would do such atrocity.

As for Thane?
Something similar like we got, only no canon death.

Modifié par Mesina2, 24 décembre 2012 - 11:46 .

[JECW]

gearseffect wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Kirahee taking up the gauntlet of protecting his races diplomats, just makes sense. Thane's part was to make a cinematic to "further" introduce Lame, while using up an old squaddie from the previous game. They make him practically bossom-buddies with the Grim Reaper (Death), but have him chasing down an assassin. Meanwhile, all I wanna ask is, "where's your son, Thane?" Between them writing him as being sooooo physically limited, and the fact that his only living child is on the very space station that this Coup is occuring on, it just seems so incredibly contrived to use him in this capacity. It should have been Kirahee, maybe someone like Bailey (CSEC), or the end of the Salarian Councilor. Those setups make sense.

Now if they hadn't made Thane out to be on his last leg, and some reference to Kolyat was made, then fine, him helping out during the Coup in such a capacity would have been tolerable (not necessary to have him stabbed at all anyway....just a bit of sparing, and KL leaves when Shep and Co. show up....too many variables for him to defeat, so it makes sense for him to flee.). But as it is, no. Of course, I think the Coup was not well done to begin with, and was really not needed. There were so many possibilities they could have employed to show further treachery within our own government, to show the reach of Cerberus' hand, to put the VS at odds (once again) with Shepard, creating a "defining" moment for characters. Bah!! Wasted potential (and no, I am not referring to them finding ANOTHER way of killing off Thane....lol. Obviously.)

Shoulda, coulda, woulda......what is, is.........unfortunately.

Did you somehow hack my computer and steal my fic(s), rough drafts, the outline of the whole thing, act1, act 2, act 3,  and the scripts, WIP chapters, the polished chapters,  did you hack my computer and steal my plans? 

@JECW, Kirrehe don't have a fight scene really it's more of a scene where he dies in a way that feels right, not with so many odd questions and stupid nonsense action and jump on the sward while Shep and Co sit there having pop corn. It's a simpe scene plays out normally then istead of Thane coming in Leng blasts at Vanlern and Kirrahe was right there.

Thane being put in that situation does seem like some afterthought. The fight was not epic at all.
The whole coupe was probably just a way for you to kill the VS if you wanted to, and a way to try and make Kai Leng look good.

[gearseffect]

Mesina2 wrote...

My idea of Citadel Coup should have involved System Alliance and bare minimum of Cerberus.

Wouldn't it be far more interesting if System's Alliance wanted to stage Cerberus assault on Citadel and killing councilors?
It would show how Citadel, Council and C-Sec are very vulnerable and weak, while showing System Alliance is only one capable to protect and to make everyone to focus on Earth to end war.
As well, having "good guys" do such thing would be very interesting to see then comic book space n@zis.


As well Ashley/Kaidan would have very hard time to believe System Alliance would do such atrocity.

As for Thane?
Something similar like we got, only no canon death.

Holy crap now that's some balls there my friend, but it still seems idk a bit radical for it to be the Allaince, maybe a huge spilinter in the Allaince due to wanting earth back and the Council's head in the sands maybe it's causes a huge crake in the Allaince and some do that, maybe make them also upset that the Council continued to ingoir Shepard which ties into that theme from ME2 and shows that Humanity is still somewhat of a bully who takes what it wants. Of course what if the ties between Cerberus and Udina went deeper and were revelied and as such TIM approved of this Allaince spliter group and used his power to have his inside man help them.

[gearseffect]

coldwetn0se wrote...

*rubs hand deviously* No my dear boy.....I read MINDS! MWAHAHAHAHA.....

Hey, us storytellers have some damn fine ideas. *wink/nod*

Indeed we do have damn fine ideas, and on top of that we're passionate fans who hate seeing such a thing destroyed and butchered;)

[Roxy]

What ticks me off is Kirrahe has a way of not getting killed by kai lame and so does the councilor,but Thane?....nope.

I'm gonna tag along Mnomaha and call them buttware (if you don't mind mnomaha),buttware did a poor job with Thane and other cool characters and just killing kai lame at the end doesn't do any of it justice when they killed off a Great character like Thane and gave us no closure and no option to save him.

[JECW]

Roxy wrote...

What ticks me off is Kirrahe has a way of not getting killed by kai lame and so does the councilor,but Thane?....nope.

I'm gonna tag along Mnomaha and call them buttware (if you don't mind mnomaha),buttware did a poor job with Thane and other cool characters and just killing kai lame at the end doesn't do any of it justice when they killed off a Great character like Thane and gave us no closure and no option to save him.

I didn't know that. So what happens?