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[gearseffect]

@RGC I agree 100% BW went and not only attempted to grab a new fanbase they also switched the genres of the game to do so. It went from action rpg to a shooter with dialogue options.

Not only that but they also went and adding a MP component to a series that did not need and shouldn't have had. It's all in attempt to sellout and appeal to the shooter fans.

It's always a bad idea to try and be something your not to try and grab more fans and alienate long term fans, always a bad idea to attempt to switch genres. I don't care if it's in video games, or music, or whatever it never is a good idea and always ends badly.

[Emeraldfern]

@Mnomaha

As a Gibb dabbler/3d-model tinkerer, I'd say it looks like a combo of  the bone offsets being well, "off" and (and this may be my non-caffeinated brain talking here), it looks like the import changed the hair/facial hair colour, as well as the eyebrow shape.

There is a way to double check what is going on with the facemorph in Gibbed, if you're interested.

And Thane plushie in Hobbiton? *Insert fangirl squeee*

@AnnoyingFruitcake

Very good points! *Tips a proverbial hat*


@RGC_Ines, gears

Yeah, ME3 does suffer from a "We want a bigger demographitis" syndrome. Now that may in itself may not be bad, however (and in this case it's a pretty big however), it should not come at the expense of an already substantial fanbase. And certainly not to the degree ME3 suffers from.

And MP?

Granted, I haven't played ME3's MP, but imo, it would probably have been a better idea to release it as a stand-alone game.

That way, all that focus on getting an interest from the shooter fans wouldn't come at the expense at RPG fans, as entirely seperate releases would keep each developer studio focused on their seperate releases and its content (ideally, they'd have seperate release dates, with MP released in-between ME2 & ME3, giving ME3 more dev-time).

The content in MP would be more substantial in the form of more characters, customization options, maps, weapons, mods, and enviro hazards on Day 1, thus creating a more engaging MP experience overall, and ME3 wouldn't suffer from having content cut and "rushed"*.

*/ I know, that doesn't help much against certain *ehem* writers (who shall remain nameless) being clueless about the characters they are writing content for. But it is a step in the right direction atleast.

As a plus, the shooter fans who get interested in the lore because of MP would then play the triology, purchasing ME1 & ME2, and then, when released, ME3. The RPG fans who consider MP fun would also pick it up, and some would even make their own ME OCs. To me that spells Win-win.

Just my 2'cs.


@gears

Nice view on that screenie. :3 I might get cross-eyed from looking at both of them though! XD

A bit OT:

I've recently returned to DAO and since I know I'm not alone in developing a taste for assassins (both drell and elven :3 ), does anyone have both the Dialog Tweaks and Zevran IRS mods co-running?

It says they're not compatible, but just checking if someone made them both work nicely without turning DAO into a BFBVS. And if so, how?


And hope you all had a good holiday, and that New Year's Eve is good one too.
And I'm off, since I'll be celebrating both New Year's Eve and my brother's birthday.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 31 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[RGC_Ines]

Emeraldfern Happy Birthday for yours brother from someone whom birthday is today too

I agree with You that it would be better idea to relase MP game in ME universe as a standalone product but...BioWare was once Masters of RPG they never done any shooter and to be honest there is a lot of better developers with FPS or TPS experience. While BW wanted FPS fans but also they didn't want to lose cash on stand alone FPS/TPS MP game they decided to sell it with product which had dedicated fans already and they failed to develop a good game and what's more important to finish a Trilogy in a epic way this serie deserved. It's sad but in my opinion, BioWare is unable to create any interesting game in different than RPG formula. They wanted more action oriented game so we got anime/rpg/slash mess which is called Dragon Age 2, they wanted CoD players we got Mass Effect 3, finally they wanted to detronise WoW and we get SW TOR. I played this last title by a week when it turned into f2p...I was unable to invest myself in this game which is terrible hybrid between RPG and MMO. BioWare should understand the fact, that creating game for everyone is imposible and in a result they can lost theirs dedicated fans instead of getting a new ones. In my case fan that blindly followed every BioWare title turned into someone who will never pre-order any theirs game, also will first YouTubed it before will spend any single coin.
Mass Effect 3 was the last game I pre-ordered ( collector edition) and bought with a full price. Leviathan was the last DLC I bought ( YT Omega). Im done with BioWare as my favourite developer studio. I lost faith in them and for now they will be just another studio for sure not " I must buy" one.

[JECW]

gearseffect wrote...

@RGC I agree 100% BW went and not only attempted to grab a new fanbase they also switched the genres of the game to do so. It went from action rpg to a shooter with dialogue options.

Not only that but they also went and adding a MP component to a series that did not need and shouldn't have had. It's all in attempt to sellout and appeal to the shooter fans.

It's always a bad idea to try and be something your not to try and grab more fans and alienate long term fans, always a bad idea to attempt to switch genres. I don't care if it's in video games, or music, or whatever it never is a good idea and always ends badly.

I completely agree with this.

Does Bioware think any of these FPS fans are going to stick around? I doubt it with games like Halo and CoD who do the job much better.

It really is sad that they think it's ok to alienate long term fans to grab new ones who wont even be around as long as we have.

[coldwetn0se]

@mnomaha - "what.....are you threatin' me??" I see what you did thar......*swats Shell's hand away from the keyboard!*
<grumble-grumble.....no tagging.....gripe-groan>

XD

Rog is sick, and I have a little something in my chest....(got a big something ON my chest.....*Ba-Dum-Tsshhh!*) I am playing nursemaid at the moment......keeping me busy.

As for the topic being discussed, I have come to the awful truth that I really am not the fan they are looking for. I still can't play me3. A game that I pre-ordered (I never do that, and I bought the CE), and I played it for one day - ONE DAY! I currently have a collection of games that over the years I have bought, and never finished/didn't like. But the difference between those games and this one is simple. A role playing game, with Shepards molded by me through two games, meant to conclude in a third installment. Said third installment = totally immersion breaking from the beginning. Never even played the endings (though I saw them on YT), since I put the game down by a third of the way through.

When I see myself type this out, I do ponder "why" I am still around a game forum of a game I can't bring myself to even finish. First, there is all of you Character Fanatics. You people crack me up, and allow me to vent (even though I sound like a broken record..heh!). You all find the best ME art and fanfics, and keep me in a steady flow of smut (and who can live without that...amirite??).

Second, I do still love ME and ME2. (It sort of seems appropriate that we are posting in the ME1 + ME2 section of the BSN....that doesn't mean for a second that I think what they did with the me3 Character section is fine....it is ludicrous.) Because I still love those first two games, it makes complete sense that I would be interested in how this trilogy was handled.....though I am starting to NOT see Mass Effect as trilogy; not really.

Lastly, I still hold the smallest, most unexpected, (most likely unfulfilled) 'hope', that something will be rectified for all the role players' Shepards and for Thane. I have a very logical, rational mindset for the most part, but the silly blowing-out-candles-on-birthday-cake-wish-on-first-star-throw-coin-in-fountain-pull-the-large-section-of-wishbone girl in me, still holds to a glimmer of "unlikely" hope. *cue Jimminy Cricket*

Well, there it is....guess I am stuck here for a while. However, bw does seem to be telling the likes of me, that...."I am not the fan they are looking for."
Aaaaand on THAT note, I am off to tend to sick hubby......and the dog needs to go outside.

HAPPY NEW YEAR THANE LOVERS AND FRIENDS OF THANE!!!!

[Twilight_Princess]

Cold, everything you just said is exactly how I feel . I can’t play ME3, haven’t touched the SP in months (not after that second playthrough with my Thane shepard). I ask myself why I still stick around if I feel such resentment towards bioware and EA right now and like you my love for 1 + 2 is too great for me to abandon the series. That and it’s still not “finished” is it? I’m still holding out for DLC that will make ME3 more bearable to play. And despite being a logical person like yourself I find myself wishing and praying that by some miracle they will give us a thane romance (and an ending) we deserve.

I can’t end my shepard’s journey with her, buried under rubble, nearly dead with no one for her to return to. When I think mass effect I don’t think “bleak” I think “beating the odds no matter how impossible”. Shep blew up reapers, came back from the dead, untied the friggin galaxy. And you’re telling me a victorious ending with thane at her side is “too much?”.

We'll see what this next DLC brings though. Happy new year everyone, lets hope the new year brings good news for Thane and shepard.

[mnomaha]

Well, I can honestly state the sexism claim again. My DudeShep has a far better game. I can't see importing any of my FemSheps into any ME3 game again. Ever. I an hopeful, even if I shouldn't be.

@Emerald...yes. Please!!!

edit: I *do* know which part the eye codes are, but he goes really fugly when I change some other stuff. LOL

Modifié par mnomaha, 31 décembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[coldwetn0se]

BTW, @mnomaha m'dear....your m!Shep is quite handsome. green eyes....pretty. ;D

@Hyrule_Gal - *nods head and winks.*

[Roxy]

Wow am I tired..just got  back from Disney world and that was fun although my cold has came back worse now,anyways just wanted to pop in an say hello and Happy New Years to you all and Happy Birthday to those that have one today!

Talk to you all later!

(too tired to read what all i've missed so I will catch up later!)

Modifié par Roxy, 01 janvier 2013 - 04:16 .

[gearseffect]

I argee with ya 100% Coldi, and there is even a tiny bit of me that kinda hopes this alleged ME4 is really the ME3 we were hoping for. DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT I can dream.

@JECW Agreed and any of the shooter fans they were gonna convert over they already did by ME2. I could never get into KOTOR. I tried the first one and got to the part with the Yoda like dude. Then someplace after that where ya visited the Wookie planet and Tatooine at which point I got fed up with the combat system and  didn't play it for ages. When I tried to play it again I started a new game, got to the same spot and again got sick of it.

I managed to beat KOTOR II once or twice.

ME1 did a great job pulling me in, I was intrigued from the moment it was shown at E3 '06 with Mr H telling us "Mass Effect will be a three part series, where the player is in control of the story and how it unfolds. You make the choices and the consequences of those actions are yours. Your actions will impact the course of the next 2 games. Welcome to Mass Effect Your Story, Your Actions, Your Galaxy, Your Shepard"

ME1 had an awful combat system but it was a new universe with great characters and it was my Shepard and my actions and I got very immersed in it.

Then ME2 came along and it managed to convert many more picky shooter fans over. Ones who couldn't stand the first game and would rather play Halo 3.ME2 managed to hook many more of those picky simple shooter fans. The people who couldn't stand ME1 fell in love with and got hooked on ME2. I was grinning ear to ear and inside I was saying "I told you so, I told you it was a great game and great universe and story."

Now ME3 as Coldi said our Shepard was no longer ours and the immersion was broken from the very beginning. It's all the auto-dialogue. A long time ago I put it this way, "in ME3 I felt like I distant from the action. Instead of directing things I was watching things"
The worst of it all that auto-dialogue was broken up here and there by a few random dialogue wheel options. Which for me hurt things as much as the auto-dialogue. It served as a constant reminder "Ooh look did you think you were playing a shooter? *slap* You're playing Mass Effect this is your Shepard." NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

The sad part is I felt like I was being treated like a dimwit. When a person plays shooter they just get told to do something and don't need to know how the Lightmass Bomb works, or how Adam Fenix's magic machine works to kill the Lambent and destroy the Locust Horde. Because it's a shooter.

ME always let me know everything I wanted via the dialogue wheel.... until ME3. It felt dumbed down, the Crucible is just to complex for us to understand. We land on the Turian moon and get told the Turians need us to go get the their coms up and running again, Shepard is forced to just go do that. No asking "well your turians how come you can't get the coms up yourself.? You brag about your military might and yet you can't do this why?"

I know some will argue that even with the option of investigate, why them turians can't do it themselves you'd still end up doing it. That's besides the point, the point is, we just got there and them turians tell us to get their coms up. I wanna know why they can't or haven't gotten 'em up before I go do their work for them. Shepard was reduced to a mindless yes man/woman who just does what their told.

Before Shepard got treated as an equal, you wanted to question why, you could and you'd get great information in doing so. A sense of importance of being an equal. 

Anyway sorry for rambling my point is this, in ME3 Shepard wasn't fully a Master Chief/Marcus Fenix/Doom Marine and he/she dang sure wasn't the galactic hero of Mass Effect they were stuck in between which for me made it worse. It was cut scenes broken up by a brief dialogue wheel with two options. I would rather they (BW/ED) just went full on Master Chief cutscenes with no dialgoue wheel or stayed Commander Shepard. Pick what one you want story of the game to unflood as either a Shooter with cut scenes or an Action RGP with thrid  person shooter combat elements, which means the story unflods with a dialogue wheel. 

Instead it was an in between state that disrupted the flow of the game, Shooter fans didn't like the interuption of the dialogue wheel, (oh yeah they could always use action mode) and RPG fans didn't like the auto-dialogue with the random dialogue wheel.


As for why we keep coming back, I'm back in here, because I like hanging with you all and like Coldi said, you got the best sources of fan art, and fanfic and speaking of the dang smut where do you find the good smut? What site? Anyone got any links because let me tell ya Fanfic.net don't have much for high quality smut fic.Dang it this is all your doing you've corrupted me, You've got me turning into a smut fend.

Oh also happy new year everyone and Im sorry for my huge wall of text I've lost my voice from a cold and sore throat and so typing is like the only form of talking I've been able to do today. On the upside writing has taken place today.

Modifié par gearseffect, 01 janvier 2013 - 06:39 .

[coldwetn0se]

@gears - *rapid golf clap!* Bravo, my dear man....bravo! Whenever I see somebody say that autodialogue (AD) is just replacing the "Q&A" section of the dialogue wheel, I cry bullshyte! First, I actually RP some of my Shepards to NOT choose to investigate, while others I choose some or all of the investigative questions. Why you ask?? Because, just as with a "variety" of people in real life, some will ask to clarify or to learn, others will not. And varying degrees in between. PLUS....just as @gears said, it keeps our Sheps on a level playing field to have the ability to ask MORE questions should we wish. And in me3, not all questions in an investigative branch were even introduced via AD. So, instead of a potentially savvy PC, we have a 'lapdog'. Bleh! There is just no good RPing to be had in that game....as it sits right now. *sigh* what a shame.

Cheers, lovely people. xoxoxoxoxox

[mnomaha]

Well said, both of you.

I have a question. How come my bi-Shep doesn't have anybody flirting with him? Not even stripper comments in ME2. He's starting to feel a bit left out. Btw, he's only bi because he had to play with Kelly in ME2. I couldn't figure out any other way to keep my fish alive. And besides, he's a *guy*, so why not take advantage of the situation (see, I can be sexist too) also...sorry gears. No offense.


Coldi...thanks hun. I much preferred his look in ME2 but couldn't quite duplicated it for ME3.

[mnomaha]

Okay, lets see...

"Brink of death"? What? Who writes this crap? Pretty sure Shep was totally dead between the lack of oxygen in space and falling through the atmosphere and...oh yeah, landing.



And here's Dnaiel, running to his bed and ...I think he ran too far.



I kept going out into space...and ended up in the sleeper pod section on the crew deck...weird.

[Stilographium]

Happy belated New Year from me, too! (well it's still new year so...) Hope you all had a better turn of the year than I did. Of course I got urethritis and the antibiotics made me nauseous and tired and gave me a headache so pretty much all I can do now is lie down. Not exactly how I planned to spend the rest of the holidays, but...


@gears @coldi I agree with both of you about the autodialogue and the (lack of) investigation options. I actually liked working for TIM better because at least you could question him about everything and let him know what you think about him. Funny enough, I never wanted to question TIM as much as I wanted to scold the Alliance. TIM never refused to see the truth and he hadn't turned his back on my Shepard like the Alliance did. Suddenly becoming the Alliance's (and pretty much everyone else's) lap dog in ME3 was really out of character especially for my renegade Shep.

Modifié par Stilographium, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:55 .

[gearseffect]

 I know it's completed off topic and completely unrelated to whatever is being talked about in here right but I just noticed/discovered something and have to share the cheapness of BW in ME3 with you all.
In ME2 Samara's intro when she jumps off that ledge and lands and goes and snaps the mercs neck with her heal? The animation of her flying off the ledge and landing was reused in ME3 when she goes after Falere. 
Look here is a set from ME3 


And here are my shots from her intro in ME2 




Here

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And for the wins these two

Here

Here

Them Bast@rds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  They took her out of ME2 cut the scene animations and put 'em in a new place from ME3 those cheap @ssholes!

Modifié par gearseffect, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:09 .

[giftfish]

@gears -- I love that Samara/Thane pic, wewt!

@ all the recently posting peeps & everyone -- Please head on over to the Cosmic Love site and participate! Leave us comments, we love that! Follow us on twitter and retweet our tweets! We have precious little time left to make noise about this, and the closure of the ME3 Character forums really screwed the fanbases for the LIs. Send us your screenshots! Write up spotlights for your favorite LIs.

Lastly, don't forget to look at the revised survey results AND the new data I posted right before Christmas that takes a closer look at how male and female players romance LIs differently!

Hope everyone is having a great new year so far!

Off to work on my post for Focus Friday! Guess which of our favorite green assassins I'm writing about this week??

[Emeraldfern]

@Mnomaha

Took me awhile to jot this down in a coherent manner, but I hope it helps.
If I'm being confusing or unhelpful on any step or anywhere else in this post, just poke me, and I'll see if I can explain it better.

-*Backup your saves first, as making errors can make the save unplayable*-
Also, the face code won't update, so it won't reflect any changes made to appearance using Gibbed.


Texture errors/Fixing the eyebrows:


Open your ME2 save in Gibbed.

Go to the "Raw" tab.

Once there, go to: Squad>Player>Appearance>Head Morph>Texture Parameters

In the Texture Parameters collection, jot down the filename of the "HED_Brow" parameter.

Repeat the above steps with the ME3 save.

Compare the filenames, if there's a difference in them that's the culprit.

Now, find the corresponding filename in ME3. I think the filenames are the same in ME2 & ME3*.

Copy/paste the "correct" filename and replace the "incorrect" one.

*/ Note: I haven't fully compared the filenames for eyebrows in ME2 & ME3, so I don't know if all of them are 100% identical. I can check the filenames of both games if you need it. (Since I use the 3d models I have the textures extracted)


Vector errors/Fixing the colours of the Morph (Hair, facial hair, eye colours and skintone):


Essentially, this is very similar to checking the textures, but instead of looking at filenames, we will copy/paste the ARGB* values from the "Vector Parameters" collection. (It's located right above "Texture Parameters")

*/ Abbreviation for: Alpha-Red-Green-Blue

Since it seems that it's the eyecolour,  haircolour, facial hair/eyebrow
colour, that are the sources of iffiness in this case, those are the Vectors we are looking to edit.

And these are the names of the vectors you are looking for:

Eye colour: EYE_Iris_Colour_Vector
Hair colour: HED_Hair_Colour_Vector
Facial Hair/Eyebrow: HED_Addn_Colour_Vector

I'll list the other vectors as well just in case you'd need to edit them at one point:

Skintone: Skintone
Lipstick: HED_Lips_Tint_Vector
Blush: HED_Blush_Vector
Eyeshadow: HED_Brow_Tint_Vector*
Eyeliner**: HED_EyeShadow_Tint_Vector ***

*/ Yes, it is called "HED_Brow_Tint_Vector" despite that it is actually eyeshadow.
**/ This one can't be edited in the CC (it's part of certain eyeshadows), but it can be edited in Gibbed.
***/ Not a typo, for some reason the eyeliner is called "HED_EyeShadow_Tint_Vector", whereas the actual eyeshadow is called "HED_Brow_Tint_Vector". Yes, it's weird. Lol.

Now that we have the name of the Vectors, we can copy/paste the Alpha-Red-Green-Blue values.

Please note, that the ME3 save editor lists the ARGB alphabetcally, so double-check that the R value replaces the other R, etc, etc. I have erronously replaced the wrong value myself in the past because I mixed up R & B. Oops.

Also, some colours may not translate 100%. This is because ME3's rendering engine was updated. If it doesn't end up looking 100% correct, tweaking them via the ME3 save editor's Player>Appearance tab will help.


re: Verticles:


Note: The following method is purely speculatory. I have never, ever tested this theory myself, but if my understanding of ME facemorphs is right it might work. It's not easy, and it may not end up well at all, so trial and error.

The method involves copy/pasting the values from the ME2 save's "Morph Features" and "Offset Bones" collections, and replacing the corresponding ME3 values, which in theory should keep the face morph intact.

Unfourtunately, it may not be that simple, because I'm assuming one thing about the default "Morph face"*; that it is exactlty the same "Morph face" model that is used ME2 & ME3.
Since I don't know if it is the same, it might not work as intended.


*/ The default "Morph face" is a bland head model that is "untouched" by any "Morph feature" values i.e all editable values are set to 0. This default "Morph Face" is never be seen in-game, since every (human) face have set "Morph features".


There is an alternative though, and it's the classic work-around; Re-edit the face in the CC, export the "edited" Face-Morph in Gibbed, import it to the savefile of your choice. Yep. It's tedious, but it can't fail either.
It is also easier than the above experimental theory method.
The reesults won't be 100%, but close enough hopefully.

And, that's it. If you need anything else poke me and I'll see what I can do.


@giftfish

A certain sharp dressed drell of neck-snapping awesomeness named Thane?

re: CS

I'll see if I can jot down a comment or two on the blog, and I'll see if I can grab some screenshots.
(Do you need screens of any particular LI pairing?)

I've been a bit under the weather this past month (December was busy as usual, and even more so this year for me), but I'll try to finish that CS for Jacob. Can't give an eta on it though.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 02 janvier 2013 - 04:52 .

[coldwetn0se]

Good day Drellickers!  Quotes of the Week are up on the Cosmic Love blog.  Tomorrow we will have some lovely screenies courtesy of JECW.

@mnomaha - Hey lady, if you are still willing to get me some screenies of your Steve + m!Shep, I would love you FOREVAR! 

@Emerald - As a fellow "sicko", I understand about the CS. Feel better.

[mnomaha]

Woooow, thanks Emerald!!!

@coldi, I'm pm you a link to my photobucket. Let me know if you want more or something different. It is a total pain in the ass to do screenies from Origin. it is literally copy & paste, which is absolutely fecking stupid for a modern program.

[coldwetn0se]

No problem on the screenies, @mnomaha. Question: I am still debating about buying ME1 and ME2 for the PC, but I am a screenie junky. It sounds like Origin doesn't make this "user friendly". Would downloading frapps (if I remember what it is called, correctly) be a good work around to the screenie problem? Have you ever used a secondary screenshot program?

[giftfish]

coldwetn0se wrote...

No problem on the screenies, @mnomaha. Question: I am still debating about buying ME1 and ME2 for the PC, but I am a screenie junky. It sounds like Origin doesn't make this "user friendly". Would downloading frapps (if I remember what it is called, correctly) be a good work around to the screenie problem? Have you ever used a secondary screenshot program?

Buy ME1 and ME2 for PC.

^My recommendation

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

Woooow, thanks Emerald!!!

@coldi, I'm pm you a link to my photobucket. Let me know if you want more or something different. It is a total pain in the ass to do screenies from Origin. it is literally copy & paste, which is absolutely fecking stupid for a modern program.

Are you using Fraps?  That works well in Origin.

[giftfish]

Ok, this might be a seriously retarded question, but what the heck does Origin have to do with taking screenshots in ME1 and ME2?

[mnomaha]

@gift...Steve is in ME3.

@Jecw, I don't trust myself enough with fraps. I would never be able to stop myself.