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[Belisarius25]

The only tricky thing with "RPing as yourself" in ME1/2, that I've found, is the way the games handle paragon/renegade decisions - it kind of hurts your character if you're the kind of person who would use both (that's one thing I did like a lot more about ME3, you didn't get punished for not following one over the other just for the points). Otherwise I found my self-RP to be really fun, especially in ME3 when the stress levels let loose my inner snarkiness

My Femshep just made it to Thane's email in ME3, not really looking forward to what's about to come

[mnomaha]

Well, I dunno...are you going to romance Thane in ME2?

[Roxy]

That's the problem for me I romanced Thane with my "self" shepard and well didn't finish all the way cause of what happened to Thane   ...thought I could do it but nope...

Modifié par Roxy, 13 janvier 2013 - 07:09 .

[coldwetn0se]

Belisarius25 wrote...

The only tricky thing with "RPing as yourself" in ME1/2, that I've found, is the way the games handle paragon/renegade decisions - it kind of hurts your character if you're the kind of person who would use both (that's one thing I did like a lot more about ME3, you didn't get punished for not following one over the other just for the points). Otherwise I found my self-RP to be really fun, especially in ME3 when the stress levels let loose my inner snarkiness

My Femshep just made it to Thane's email in ME3, not really looking forward to what's about to come

Hey @Belisarius, appreciate your input!  I have no problem being "punished" by the game mechanics (regarding Paragon/Renegade dialogue options and the opening of new dialogue choices).  Because, in the end, it will still be me, being true to "myself".  For better or worse.  (BTW, good luck with what is to come in your me3 play through....feel free to turn to us for a bit o' crack....laughter heals many things!

Oh, and it should be noted (and @mnomaha already knows/could guess this), this play through (as all others do) ends with the ending of ME2.  No import to me3 will happen.  I have my own lovely "fanfic" version of what happens AFTER ME2.  So there it is......

I will continue to ponder what might happen, but a decision WILL be made in the next few days.  I will keep you posted.  And I will get those pics up for some amusement. 

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 13 janvier 2013 - 07:33 .

[mnomaha]

Well see now, that's what I thought, but then you said something about boinking Kaidan in ME3.

Also, what will you continue to ponder and what decision?

So confused...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Belisarius25 wrote...
Otherwise I found my self-RP to be really fun, especially in ME3 when the stress levels let loose my inner snarkiness

Almost all of my characters have at least some qualities in common with me--my Shepard's an introvert, my Bhaalspawn's a bookworm, my Warden likes to snark, etc.  But I generally prefer adding a quality or two of mine to a character who is otherwise his/her own person rather than doing self-RPs.  My PCs always manage to surprise me in a way they wouldn't if I was playing "me."  

It also means I can play the occasional evil character, which is oodles of fun in its own right.  

[coldwetn0se]

CRAPPPPPPP!!! my stinkin' internet went out with while I was tryin' to post a big, long rambly post! WHY!?!?!?!

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 13 janvier 2013 - 07:59 .

[coldwetn0se]

Okay, the short version...@mnomaha - yes I will romance Thane, but my "self" Shepard doesn't know Thane yet, and this is really about how "I" would respond in the moment.

@Sable - what you described is how nearly ALL of my RP PC's are created...different roles with a "hint" of 'me' in them. HOWEVER, this experiment is me truly RPing myself.....as much as anyone can within the game mechanics. But every choice has to be based on MY thoughts, ideas, beliefs, experiences....for better or worse....no reloads either. I have never truly done a true self-insert in a RPG....this is a first.

[mythlover20]

HI EVERYBODY! (*Hi Ms Myth!)

I found a hotel where I can actually log on here (though almost every other site refuses to load). What have I missed? Other than you guys, of course! GROUP HUG!!!!

Where's gears? OI! GEARS! Get over here! This ass ain't gonna spank itself.

Oh, um, geez I actually typed that. Should I post it.....

Yeah. I'll post it. This is you guys here.

I love you guys so much!

...

Am I drunk?

[mnomaha]

I hope you are...

[Sable Rhapsody]

coldwetn0se wrote...
But every choice has to be based on MY thoughts, ideas, beliefs, experiences....for better or worse....no reloads either. I have never truly done a true self-insert in a RPG....this is a first.

I should try that sometime.  At the very least, it'd be interesting to see where I come out on the various morality scales.

[mnomaha]

I should too, but not with any of my current Sheps. Maybe I'll go back to ME1 because I really didn't care too much back then.

[Stilographium]

Hi, I just came here to vent.

I noticed the mention of this EuroGamer article (http://www.eurogamer...riter-discusses) on Cosmic Love, followed the link and ended up reading that blog post David Gaider made about romances. Of course, I mostly focused on the little part about Thane. And now I just can't even.

From Gaider's blog post:
There are people who did (and still do) think that, having selected Thane as their romance, they should have been able to cure him of his illness and make everything better. Why? Because he’s their romance, and they’re entitled to have it be a happy one. Regardless of whether you think they are justified in feeling so, they do. I don’t think plausibility is really what they’re looking for.

What the f**k?! It's been what, almost a year and people still can't see what is the real issue with Thane's ME3 romance? I haven't heard anyone saying that they wanted to save Thane because "he was their love interest" or they "wanted to have a happy romance". And what the heck does he mean with "and make everything better"? Puppies and rainbows? Who ever asked for that? Hell, not everyone even wanted to save Thane. They just wanted to have a romance arc that makes some freaking sense. And in this case, I feel like saving Thane, even with some stupid space magic makes a lot more sense than what we got. Has Gaider ever actually listened to what Thanemancers have to say about this issue? Not to mention, played Thane's romance? I didn't think so.

Well at least he acknowledges that the fans don't want more Thane or Jacob kind of romances. I guess we don't need to be afraid of seeing something like that in DA3.

Phew sorry, had to vent somewhere. I hate it how reading  something like that still manages to ruin my day.

But now that that has been dealt with, I do agree with Gaider in one point: not every character needs to be romanceable; some characters might even suffer from it (can't think of an example right now, but...). Otherwise, I was a little disappointed in how little romances mean to him. To me, they are one of the highlights of any RPG game.

[Roxy]

Darn it...I'm definitly confused with this ,on the article it makes out as if he is saying we are whiny but in his blog it looks as if he's on our side....ugh what the hell?

EDIT: Oh okay I didn't quite get that he was being sarcastic...oops,sorry ya'll!

Modifié par Roxy, 14 janvier 2013 - 07:41 .

[BeanieBat]

You've just given another example of another BioWare employee who doesn't listen to fans or care about their opinions. What's really annoying about that though, is that in addition to not listening, he is putting words in our mouths to try and make us look whiny and pathetic. We have given them nothing but plausible suggestions, all of which were far far more plausible than the nonsensical, inconsistent crap we were actually given in the game. I don't think he worked on ME3(?) but as a BioWare employee I find that statement in particular incredibly hypocritical.
 
Edit: @Roxy - To me it looks like Gaider is being sarcastic and trying to make the people wanting some decent Thane content look ridiculous. He is asking questions then answering them falsley to make us look stupid. That's just how it looks to me anyway. Also, I haven't read the entire blog, just the quote from the post above. It was the plausibility statement that got me.

Modifié par BeanieBat, 14 janvier 2013 - 07:36 .

[Belisarius25]

Unless i'm mistaken, Gaider is implicitly insulting the motivations/arguments made by Thane fans; he's saying that Thanemancers are mad because they don't get to cure his disease/have a happy ending and for little other reason. I'm sure there are some people who fit that statement, I'm sure most others would have been okay with him dying had (1) more/better attention been given to him in ME3 and (2) his death been treated with some more dignity by non-Shepard characters (i.e. had Garrus said something while at the memorial wall after the Citadel Coup).

Gaider's certainly correct - you need not have every romance end happily, per se. One of my favorite romances in gaming is the one I had between my paladin and Viconia in BG2 (*SPOILERS*) - if you choose to be with her in the 'good' ending, she's murdered shortly after giving birth to your child. It's painful and tragic and a real gutpunch after everything you've accomplished across SoA and ToB, but it was okay because the text also makes clear that you each had an enormous (and positive) impact on each other's lives.

The problem with Thane is that he isn't treated with that respect. You get one scene with him after Palaven and a slightly extended death scene, then it's as if he never existed in the first place.

As to Gaider's general point, I do think they had too many romances in the series, and Bioware didn't handle them well at all, except maybe Garrus' (the VS/Liara ones suffer from being put on hold for long periods of the game for mechanics/plot reasons, the ME2 ones are basically ignored except Garrus/Tali). If I had to point to individual characters that may have been harmed by it...maybe Tali? I think she could have been a lot more interesting as a "co-hero" type but seems to have been demoted to "cutesy romantic interest" by a lot of people (plus there's the repetitive "Shepard swoops in to save her from her own problems").

Modifié par Belisarius25, 14 janvier 2013 - 07:41 .

[Roxy]

I get it now....geez I'm slow today lol......wow I didn't think Gaider could sink any lower like the rest of BioWare but yep he has....

Modifié par Roxy, 14 janvier 2013 - 07:51 .

[mnomaha]

Yes well, I imagine it's hard to hear us from the dark recesses of their butts.

[Stilographium]

@Roxy I think you got it right, now, but just in case: I definitely didn't mean I don't want a better Thane romance. I should have quoted Gaider a bit more so it would be clear he was being sarcastic. I was just too busy ranting lol.

[Twilight_Princess]

Oh no MR Gaider not YOU too




Mr Gaider, sir, all Thane's fans wanted was continuity and choices . Choices that ME2 had already presented. They wanted their continuation to be just as fulfilling and to make just as much sense as the other romance subplots . As it stands, it does not. You cannot defend this romance. It is BAD. It's BAD because it's barely even there. It's BAD because it takes no notice of past character development or important details (magic transforming illness anyone?). Its BAD because the new writing team who worked on him admitted they FORGOT HE WAS AN LI. This is not about entitlement, it's about the writing team FIXING their mistake.

To assume this outcry is beacause ...they wanted rainbows and sunshine ? Holy hell, have they not SEEN this amazing romance for themselves? God I wish Chris could write something critical about how his characters were treated after his departure.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 14 janvier 2013 - 08:07 .

[Roxy]

@Mnomaha Ew that's gross lol...

@Stilographuim It's okay ^^....Yeah I want a happy romance/ending with Thane too,alot of Thane fans want that choice but of course we get made fun of and disrespected by the sorry company who screwed us over. What the hell is wrong with these people are they so effing miserable in their lives that they got to make their customers miserable too?....oh goody now I'm ranting,let's have a rant party everybody...serously! (I'm dead serious,no sarcasm here)

What I wonder also is if Gaider hates romances so much why the hell does he have them put in the game then?

@Hyrule_gal  Amen to what you just said,it's like somebody wrote Thane's part while sitting on a toilet....*sighs*

Modifié par Roxy, 14 janvier 2013 - 08:10 .

[BeanieBat]

Just read the full blog... devious.

No, not every romance has to be happy but they have to be well written. And if Thane died fighting by Shep's side then it would have been upsetting, but it would have been a worthy death of an assassin and not an issue. Thane's death in ME3 though, failed epically. There were so many things wrong with the plot and the scene, it was a joke.

I also agree that not all characters should be romanceable, but if a character is chosen to be romanceable then they should be written to reflect that. He mentioned that we didn't like the romance "arc" for Thane - there was no "arc" and he no longer counted as a romance in ME3.

Mass Effect was my first BioWare game and I wasn't expecting the romances but I do think it added something to the game. That being said, I didn't play the games for the romance, but for the story. If the Mass Effect series had no romances, I still would have been appalled at the lack of character development and story in ME3.

I really think BioWare need to take a step back and have a look at their company. They refuse to accept any constructive criticism and instead attack the fans that don't worship them. What good does insulting their fanbase do?

Also, what happened to logic?

[Vlk3]

I think that every romance should have a chance for a happy outcome. People choose their LI's because of character of certain LI and shouldn't be punished for making that choice. Some romances should be darker, more complicated and some should be easier, happier, but every romance should get equal treatment and get the chance to last till the end of the game.

And, well, Gaider complains about people's posts on BSN and general atmosphere here, but he forgets that what's really toxic on these forums is the attitude he's just shown...

People who won't even try to understand the point we're making are putting some words in our mouths that are ridiculous and claim that this is what we said we wanted.

I'd like to point out here that I strongly believe that Thane should be able to live longer, not necessarily because of cure, but the available treatments. So no, I won't agree that we should only get better romance content, an additional date on the Citadel or things like that. Thane could be saved and this is not some crazy fangirl's fantasy. I won't settle for less than ability for saving Thane.

Edit: fixed some mistakes

Modifié par Vlk3, 14 janvier 2013 - 08:19 .

[giftfish]

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/swoon

[mnomaha]

Yeah, I just posted the link on our facebook page.