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[Arahlene]

So a discussion?

Hm, I saw someone mention somwhere that Thane seemed like an odd choice for renegade FemShep (personality wise) and I agree (though I went along with the romance anyways because I was curious) with that opinion.
However, I've seen others make the interpretation that Thane is almost 'evil' due to his profession and his odd view of his role in the business (only being an instrument for example). 


What did you think? Is Thane mostly paragon or renegade?

My vote is for mostly paragon.

[JoshieoPandar]

If Thane doesn't make the cut, maybe we'll recruit his son, Kolyat. Be pretty cool imo.

[RShara]

Arahlene wrote...

So a discussion?

Hm, I saw someone mention somwhere that Thane seemed like an odd choice for renegade FemShep (personality wise) and I agree (though I went along with the romance anyways because I was curious) with that opinion.
However, I've seen others make the interpretation that Thane is almost 'evil' due to his profession and his odd view of his role in the business (only being an instrument for example). 


What did you think? Is Thane mostly paragon or renegade?

My vote is for mostly paragon.

One of the first things he says is how the measure of an individual can be difficult to discern by actions alone.  So imo, even if you do renegade things, he can still appreciate that you're trying to save the galaxy.

[iNixiRir]

Arahlene wrote...

So a discussion?

Hm, I saw someone mention somwhere that Thane seemed like an odd choice for renegade FemShep (personality wise) and I agree (though I went along with the romance anyways because I was curious) with that opinion.
However, I've seen others make the interpretation that Thane is almost 'evil' due to his profession and his odd view of his role in the business (only being an instrument for example). 


What did you think? Is Thane mostly paragon or renegade?

My vote is for mostly paragon.

I think he's more Renegon. He does what he needs to do, but doesn't just kill innocent people(He saved all those Salarians). But he kills Nassana without any remorse basically. 

[Sialater]

iNixiRir wrote...

Arahlene wrote...

So a discussion?

Hm, I saw someone mention somwhere that Thane seemed like an odd choice for renegade FemShep (personality wise) and I agree (though I went along with the romance anyways because I was curious) with that opinion.
However, I've seen others make the interpretation that Thane is almost 'evil' due to his profession and his odd view of his role in the business (only being an instrument for example). 


What did you think? Is Thane mostly paragon or renegade?

My vote is for mostly paragon.

I think he's more Renegon. He does what he needs to do, but doesn't just kill innocent people(He saved all those Salarians). But he kills Nassana without any remorse basically. 

I'd have killed Nasaana without any remorse. 

[iNixiRir]

Sialater wrote...

iNixiRir wrote...

Arahlene wrote...

So a discussion?

Hm, I saw someone mention somwhere that Thane seemed like an odd choice for renegade FemShep (personality wise) and I agree (though I went along with the romance anyways because I was curious) with that opinion.
However, I've seen others make the interpretation that Thane is almost 'evil' due to his profession and his odd view of his role in the business (only being an instrument for example). 


What did you think? Is Thane mostly paragon or renegade?

My vote is for mostly paragon.

I think he's more Renegon. He does what he needs to do, but doesn't just kill innocent people(He saved all those Salarians). But he kills Nassana without any remorse basically. 

I'd have killed Nasaana without any remorse. 

Ofc, most people would, because it's justified. But he doesn't kill innocent people because they are in there way.

[shinobi602]

I almost always use Miranda+Thane, so yes. Thane FTW.

[ir7200]

JoshieoPandar wrote...

If Thane doesn't make the cut, maybe we'll recruit his son, Kolyat. Be pretty cool imo.

Thane is a legend, but to be quite honest I would be a little disapointed if Bioware backed out from the set storyline and created a cure for him.

I do fully support Thane and his appearance in ME3, But the quote above seems like a reasonable compromise: Maybe one of the first missions in ME3 would be a Thane-centred last stand, His heroic dying words to shephard being "Take my son on board, lead him on the right path" sort of thing.

...but then again I would love to see him back again

[RShara]

Ehhh I don't want to see Kolyat replace Thane. He's too young and wet behind the ears. No way that a teenaged kid who's never made a kill could take the place of the best assassin in the galaxy.

[Lara Denton]

ir7200 wrote...

JoshieoPandar wrote...

If Thane doesn't make the cut, maybe we'll recruit his son, Kolyat. Be pretty cool imo.

Thane is a legend, but to be quite honest I would be a little disapointed if Bioware backed out from the set storyline and created a cure for him.

I do fully support Thane and his appearance in ME3, But the quote above seems like a reasonable compromise: Maybe one of the first missions in ME3 would be a Thane-centred last stand, His heroic dying words to shephard being "Take my son on board, lead him on the right path" sort of thing.

...but then again I would love to see him back again

How do you know that a cure for him wasn't in the plan for ME3 from the beginning? Or maybe as a DLC to make the transition from ME2 to ME3? You can't call that as backing from the storyline.

As for Kolyat... I think my Shepard would turn green and die as well if Kolyat is to be thought of as kind of replacement for Thane. He's young, ugly and stupid. Besides being a drell and Thane's son, he doesn't have anything cool or worth mentioning.

Modifié par laradenton, 15 mars 2010 - 07:09 .

[Shadow_Puppet]

Thane has been trained as an assassin since he was 6 years old, he is one of the best the galaxy has to offer, no offence to Kolyat, but there is just no way he could compare to that, he's just a kid with a gun.

[Tentura]

laradenton wrote...
How do you know that a cure for him wasn't in the plan for ME3 from the beginning? Or maybe as a DLC to make the transition from ME2 to ME3? You can't call that as backing from the storyline.

As for Kolyat... I think my Shepard would turn green and die as well if Kolyat is to be thought of as kind of replacement for Thane. He's young, ugly and stupid. Besides being a drell and Thane's son, he doesn't have anything cool or worth mentioning.

I couldn't agree more!  Just because he stole one of his dad's outfits does not give him Thane's skills.  If he showed up at my Normandy trying to replace Thane, I'd take his jacket for myself and tell him to get lost.  I don't have time to teach him how to shoot. 

Modifié par Tentura, 15 mars 2010 - 07:36 .

[Sialater]

Didn't we take a gun away from someone like that already?

[Tentura]

Sialater wrote...

Didn't we take a gun away from someone like that already?

LOL... that kid and Kolyat are both little punks.  "I know how to handle a gun!"  Please, son.

[Arahlene]

laradenton wrote...

As for Kolyat... I think my Shepard would turn green and die as well if Kolyat is to be thought of as kind of replacement for Thane. He's young, ugly and stupid. Besides being a drell and Thane's son, he doesn't have anything cool or worth mentioning.

I agree. I don't really understand why people keep suggesting this. I think it's just the "replace a drell with a drell and Kolyat is the only one we've seen so far (in the game anyways)"-mentality since almost everyone seems convinced that Thane is going to die. Frankly, I'm getting sick of people writing him out of ME3 all the time. People have no imagination whatsoever.

Okay, breathe.... yup, I'm fine now.

[Arahlene]

RShara wrote...

Arahlene wrote...

So a discussion?

Hm, I saw someone mention somwhere that Thane seemed like an odd choice for renegade FemShep (personality wise) and I agree (though I went along with the romance anyways because I was curious) with that opinion.
However, I've seen others make the interpretation that Thane is almost 'evil' due to his profession and his odd view of his role in the business (only being an instrument for example). 


What did you think? Is Thane mostly paragon or renegade?

My vote is for mostly paragon.

One of the first things he says is how the measure of an individual can be difficult to discern by actions alone.  So imo, even if you do renegade things, he can still appreciate that you're trying to save the galaxy.

Hm, you've got a point there. Maybe I'm thinking along the lines of why my FemShep would fall for him, what is his appeal to renegades? I think the romance gets too serious too fast, although this isn't really a renegade issue exclusively. I would have liked some flirting (yes, I can't believe I'm saying that considering the Jacob romance, we all know what happens when FemShep flirts) like the teasing you could do with Alistair really early in DA. Perhaps Thane would be immune to that, but it would still have been fun to try.

[RShara]

Arahlene wrote...

Hm, you've got a point there. Maybe I'm thinking along the lines of why my FemShep would fall for him, what is his appeal to renegades? I think the romance gets too serious too fast, although this isn't really a renegade issue exclusively. I would have liked some flirting (yes, I can't believe I'm saying that considering the Jacob romance, we all know what happens when FemShep flirts) like the teasing you could do with Alistair really early in DA. Perhaps Thane would be immune to that, but it would still have been fun to try.

My guess is his appeal would be the professional way he kills.  Cold, ruthless killer, just like all renegades want to be!  It'd be nice if he showed a different personality based on your Par/Ren score, but ah well

Or they just want to get high 

Modifié par RShara, 15 mars 2010 - 09:58 .

[Arahlene]

RShara wrote...

Or they just want to get high 

I'm going with this explanation!

[Lara Denton]

He has something to appeal to both paragon and renegade types.



As an
example think how he treats Mouse. On one hand he
tells you how he used to keep the holo although he has the perfect
memory - foolish sentimentality, but on the other hand he does tell
Mouse that he can change his pants in a moment - which is not sounding
as something that a paragon type would say.

[kaimanaMM]

Arahlene wrote...

I agree. I don't really understand why people keep suggesting this. I think it's just the "replace a drell with a drell and Kolyat is the only one we've seen so far (in the game anyways)"-mentality since almost everyone seems convinced that Thane is going to die. Frankly, I'm getting sick of people writing him out of ME3 all the time. People have no imagination whatsoever.

Okay, breathe.... yup, I'm fine now.

See, I guess for me that's why I just zip on by and hang out in groups and other places.  I am so tired of hearing just replace Thane with Kolyat, how cool!  No.  No, its not.

Thane: Trained since he was 6 years old to be an assassin, made his first kill at age 12.

Kolyat:  Used his dad's name to get the contract for the hit, it was not based on his skill.

Thane: Does not want Kolyat to live a life like his own, does not want Kolyat to be a killer.

Kolyat: Only took the job as a way to get back at his dad once he found out what information Thane left for him.

Thane: Is 39 years old, one BAMF who knows his way around a gun and a battlefield.

Kolyat: Is probably 19 years old, screams at the sight of Shepard pulling his/her gun.

Thane: Is in love with Shepard if you romance him, by the end of the game it's pretty apparent.

Kolyat: Would be an awkward replacement for a man that Shepard cared deeply for.

Thane:  The culimnation of the romance scene tells / shows that he very much doesn't want to die. He also tells Shepard things like 'I don't intend to let my body pass before its time' and 'Strange that I should reawaken now, when there is so little time left', further hints and clues that he wants to live.

Kolyat: Is somewhere out there with a C-Sec mop and bucket cleaning out the krogan section of the bathrooms on the Citadel.  He says things like, 'My dad wasn't there for me!' and 'I'm going to blog about this!' or 'Shepard sux!'.

Ok, that last bit I made up, but the rest is right there, in the game.  Kolyat cannot and should not replace Thane.

As for the question of pairing Thane with a renegade Shepard, I have a difficult time seeing that.  No doubt renegade Shepard gets the job done but at what cost and could that cost have been alieviated in the first place?  Take Biotic God Volus, for instance.  His only crime was getting pumped full of drugs and wandering around, if you take the Renegade option the poor slob gets plastered on the walls in the crossfire between Shepard's team and Wassea.  Thane is all about helping without being seen as helping, like the Salarians in the Dantius Towers, he went out of his way in the middle of his own personal mission to get them out of the way and keep them safe from Nassana's mercs / mechs.  All Shepard had to do for poor Biotic God Volus was turn him around in the other direction and urge him to sleep it off, helping without being seen as helping and saving the little guy's life in the process.

I think Thane can appreciate Renegade Shep's direct, no-nonsense approach, he knows that sometimes we do what we must to get the job done, but I don't know that deep down he'd be okay with Renegade Shep's actions since he is all about atoning for the perceived evils he's commited in his life.  And that could definitely be a big wedge between the two.

But, I  don't mean to step on anyone's toes or tell them how to play their game, so please don't take it that way, always play for your own enjoyment!  Just my own thoughts / opinions. 

EDIT : And you're spot on the money Arahlene, it's frustrating to read people write Thane out of ME3 or define him by his illness and say that if he lives it'll be cheapening the game / character or especially that we're asking for it and should be expecting Thane to die before / in ME3.  *takes a deep breath* 

I'll be in my happy place ... Kolyat's closet with Thane.

Modifié par kaimanaMM, 15 mars 2010 - 11:04 .

[Jeyla]

Thane's a really cool character and actually was the only guy to win my single Shep over.  I'd hate to lose him to his disease.  I would like him to be cured in some DLC or ME3.

Damnit Mordin use that genius of yours and cure him!

[RShara]

I agree completely with Arahlene and kaimana. Thane says multiple times that his illness will not affect who he is/what he does, and not to think about it. It's not a big part of who he is, just something that he has to deal with. I'll be very pissed if we don't get a cure.



As I've said before, Mordin came up with a cure for a Collector Plague, and a preventative to the Collector swarms in a matter of *weeks*, and they have the most advanced tech short of the Reapers. Why oh why wouldn't he be able to beat this??

[Baris]

HOMG discussion! *jumps in*

I suggest replace Thane with Kolyat in ME3 but only for those who want it - or think they're replacable. But no cheating, Kolyat will be Kolyat with all his talents (or lack there of). Then watch Kolyat charge and stumble and get himself killed within the first second. Poor kid really doesn't deserve this.

Arahlene wrote...

what is his appeal to renegades? I think the romance gets too serious too fast, although this isn't really a renegade issue exclusively. I would have liked some flirting (yes, I can't believe I'm saying that considering the Jacob romance, we all know what happens when FemShep flirts) like the teasing you could do with Alistair really early in DA.

Agreed. "Too fast, too serious" is my main problem with Thane romance. ME stories seem to be taking place in such a short time for this kind of romance to blossom. I know it's not going to be a popular idea, but I'd really like Thane romance to stop at a friendship/flirting stage in ME2 (this way we'd have more conversations that did not involve his wife btw. No offense to his wife but who in BW think that talking constantly about a guy's ex-wife is a good way to start hitting on him? Or that it's attractive?) and reach it's destination in ME3. Of course, I can understand why it isn't so.

Anyway, I thought Thane would be good for my paragon Shep considering how his romance subplot unfolds - holding hands, future plans, "siha" - my paragon loves those stuff... On the other hand, I've got a renegade Shep who started out with quite negative feelings for Thane but slowly started appreciating his skills, hiss personality, badassery etc. Still resenting/envying/awed by him when he killed her preys though. But that romance is really not for her so I'm just going to pretend it all happened very differently.

Perhaps Thane would be immune to that, but it would still have been fun to try.

From what I see, Thane seems to be amused by that. "A start? Thats... "chuckle* intriguing" must be my favourite part of his romance.

[Baris]

I should stop clicking reply and wait for an hour to post
it... Anyway, about his ilness. I'm really going to throw up if he dies
heroically, tragically or whatever. There must be a legal limitation to
melodrama seriously but I really do not expect ME to go that way - now
*that* would cheapen everything that it is for me.

If there are people who
think Thane's illness defines him, I say they missed all about the
character. Thane's illness only matters in storyline if you romance him
and thus, becomes an important problem but still far from an urgent
one. Actually when I didn't romance him, I
forgot all about his ilness. I assume people who say this are mainly
people who don't romance him right? -Because those who do actually
want  a cure- So how is it possible to focus on a sidenote (since he brushes off Shep's attempts interfere) that character
himself does not focus on and make it the very definition of
who he is?

[Sialater]

I've yet to romance him, but I'd like a cure. Mostly because I think it's lame subplot and want it to go away.