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[mythlover20]

Oh dear gods have you guys seen what efleck's done?



I am both mortified and utterly amused. I can't stop laughing but the idea makes me sad.

It's just so bloody ridiculous! I can definitely understand why she had to do it when the idea popped in her head. *snicker*

I'm so sorry, Thane.

I'm so confused! I find the idea utterly hilarious but... why Thane?

Still, I wouldn't mind making a handbag out of Mr. Mutant Drell from the Homecoming comic. He looked like a paedophile, rapist, serial killer, and page dog-ear-er all wrapped up in one. *shudder*

Modifié par mythlover20, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:12 .

[giftfish]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I don't see people in this thread (and the old Thane thread) upset solely (or even mostly) over the cure, but it's definitely a sentiment that existed right after ME3.  Giftfish should correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it turns up in the Cosmic Love survey, for example.

Sure, there are people out there that do think Thane, because he was an LI, should not have been allowed to die.  In many cases there were comments tossed out by non-romancers of Thane, who basically said that they "felt" for the Thane romancers.  Essentially, b/c they got to have a happy ending with their LI, and Thanemancers had to watch theirs die.  Which, as we all know, when your LI dies midway through the game, it sort of puts a serious damper on your desire to play through the rest of it.

"But, he was a Love Interest!" or "Thane should have lived, if for no other reason than the fact he was a Love Interest", I think are the sentiments that DG is getting at.  It's something that many people, including us, have tossed around in conversation. However, from reading through all of the survey data, it's my opinion that in a majority of these cases these players also did not like *how* Thane died, nor did they like how his (lack of a) romance was treated.  In short, these players felt that Thane's treatment should have been substantially different, and the fact that he was ALSO "allowed" to die was simply the icing on the cake.

What it comes down to is DG picked out probably the most intuitive example of an "unhappyily ever after" Bioware romance in an attempt to illustrate his point.  His mistake is that it was a poor example to use because the majority of people who have issues with Thane's unhappy ending aren't *just*  upset that he died.  They are upset as how he *lived* in ME3. They are upset about much, much more than that.  Even if they proclaim it as "You shouldn't have killed him because he was an LI!"

Morrigan is a much better example.  Her ending isn't "happy", but her romance and the other romances in DAO were done well and were all on I'd say "equal footing". I could certainly understand players complaining about it, because it is another case in which the player has no say. She will leave no matter what.  So, for those who romanced Alistair, Leliana, and Zevran, all of who at least have a *shot*  at a happy ending, I can understand why the Morrigan fans would be upset. They felt a bit cheated.  It left a sour taste in their mouth at the end of the game, and who wants that?

But, as we all know. Morrigan got her own DLC to appease what I'm guessing is the large male player population who romanced her.

So far, Thane is 0 for 2 on that front.

[Vlk3]

It seems, BioWare is moving on from ME3 and the next DLC will be the last. I doubt they'll do anything for us. They didn't adress main problem of this game which is the treatment of ME2 LI's and I doubt they planned this for the final DLC. Apparently, they just want fans like us gone...

[coldwetn0se]

As strange as this may sound, I almost find it liberating that this series should be wrapping up. About a month ago, I started up a play through in ME where I made a "self-insert" Shepard. This was a unique (to me) and fun little experiment, but it got halted only a 1/4 of the way into ME1. I think the problem was, even though I can still play ME and ME2, I do find myself getting a bit frustrated "knowing" that me3 exists and I have no "current" reason to play it. That tiny hopeful part of myself kept musing on the idea of DLC that would address the lack of quality content for Thane (plus Shepard and the other ME2 characters). So when I was playing ME or ME2 during these past 10 months, I would often put those games down for a bit, because my mind would start focusing too much on me3. Not sure if this is making sense, but there it is.

The bottom line is, by being told that what is, is.....it sort of "frees" me from focusing on what "could" be (like added DLC, for example). Once this last DLC is out, and assuming it doesn't have anything added (of quality) for Thane and Shepard, I can truly get rid of me3, and go back to playing the first two games without a further thought about me3.

LOL....probably have spent WAY too much time contemplating all of this.....I would suspect I'm hardly the only one, HA! XD

[Vlk3]

But this means, we'll never get a cure, unless they planned it all along and are releasing it in this DLC (0,1% chance). This is a disaster... I can't get over it, I need Thane to be alive. They can't just leave this at that.

Modifié par Vlk3, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:48 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

coldwetn0se wrote...
The bottom line is, by being told that what is, is.....it sort of "frees" me from focusing on what "could" be (like added DLC, for example). Once this last DLC is out, and assuming it doesn't have anything added (of quality) for Thane and Shepard, I can truly get rid of me3, and go back to playing the first two games without a further thought about me3.

LOL....probably have spent WAY too much time contemplating all of this.....I would suspect I'm hardly the only one, HA! XD

I agree.  At least in terms of the ending, I firmly buried ME3 when MEHEM came out and fixed the worst problems.  When the rest of the game is done being tweaked, it'll be done for good.  

mythlover20 wrote...

Oh dear gods have you guys seen what efleck's done? 

*snip of awesome*

This is the best thing ever.  Also the worst thing.  One way or another, I'm grinning like a loon and my cat's looking at me like I'm crazy.

[coldwetn0se]

Vlk3 wrote...

But this means, we'll never get a cure, unless they planned it all along and are releasing it in this DLC (0,1% chance). This is a disaster... I can't get over it, I need Thane to be alive. They can't just leave this at that.

*Gives Vlk3 a hug!* 

Oh sweetie.  I do feel you, and I can only speak for myself.  I wanted nothing more than to have a wonderful complete romance arc with the LI of my choice (Thane FTW).  I hate that they practically forget about him, and moreso, that they felt the only thing to do with him was "kill him".  However, once this is over with, I can remove that game from my house, play the first two (like I have but with some hiccups....) and use my own imagination (and good fanfics) to conclude the story of Shepard and Thane (and the rest of the squaddies) instead of using their abysmal conclusion.

It's hardly perfect, but that way "my" Thane stays by Shepard's side, and completes the mission.  I can then imagine how his life might be extended, or Kepral's is cured.  The sad thing is, I would have gladly continued to patron the ME franchise, had they done right by Shepard and Thane (and the other ME2 squaddies), but they didn't.  Beyond what happened to my favorite character Thane, I couldn't "do" what I did in the first two games (i.e. play with my Shepard as though I was moving her/him through the universe, and molding them into the characters I was rping) in the final game. Throw in glitches/bugs, fetch quest, storylines and levels that felt off or poorly written, no decent journal, hidden timers, import issues, ect....and this game was a "miss" for me.  So I never finished the game, and never downloaded any other content (free or paid) with the exception of what came with the CE. Had hoped something would come to rectify this, but alas....no. 

I'm not in a position at the moment to toss up a Thane pic, but if someone would care to indulge me, I would be very grateful.   Also, I think I need to start gathering a list of really good Thanecentric FanFics.  I know that there are probably some good ones I have missed.  Hmmm.....a task for later this evening, I think. 

[mnomaha]

Love this one from Chimerica!!!!



http://chimerica.dev...a/44343923&qo=7

Modifié par mnomaha, 18 janvier 2013 - 10:30 .

[Elana.S]

Hi hi! Weekly fic update post time!

First I'd like to personally thank Squeegee83, Stilographium, coldwetn0se and mnomaha for welcoming me into the thread. I've been lurking long enough to feel pretty special to be addressed by name by you guys, hee hee hee.

Second I'd like to say, OMG the dance crazy gifs. Bookmarked.

Anyway, I wanted to announce that chapter 4 of "The Phenomenology of Shepard" is now up. It covers the Thane loyalty mission! Yay! I made my new editor cry with some of the more emotional bits, ha ha ha. I hope you'll click through and read it.

It's rated M for language.

Links:
from the beginning: Archive of Our Own | Fanfiction.net
chapter 4: Archive of Our Own | Fanfiction.net

[wildannie]

I'm probably the kind of fan DG was talking about. I absolutely believe that it should have been possible for Thane to survive ME3 and beyond, so while I'm not fussed if that came from a new treatment or an outright cure I would never have been happy with a forced death even if they had done it well. I believe that all the characters should have been savable depending on decisions taken, but that not all of them could survive in an individual playthrough. I also think that Thane's role in ME3 and how his death was handled was incredibly lame and that really just adds insult to injury for me.

I genuinely don't care about ME any more. If I ever decide to play a ME game again, I will start from scratch and not even recruit Thane in ME2 as I know seeing it again would ****** me off again. I'm unlikely to do that in a long while anyway, got so much I've got to do in RL I don't have time to play games much. I had always intended to seriously cut back on my gaming after ME3, its just a shame that it ended on such a low note.

[Roxy]

I'm with Annie...I think we should have gotten fair treatment with Thane and had a chance to save him like the rest of the LI's,there is nothing wrong with that and DG is a Db for thinking otherwise and calling us whiny! He doesn't know jack about Thane and needs to stick to DA.

@Elana Hello Elana welcome to the Thane group! ^^ I thought I said hello the last time you posted but I guess I didn't sorry bout that,anyways I will check your story out!

Modifié par Roxy, 19 janvier 2013 - 08:00 .

[mnomaha]

I think they could have at least lived up to their "all LIs will be treated equally". I think it should have amounted to "all LIs will be treated on a sliding scale with Liara and MaleShep at the top. FemShep? We have dismissed this fanbase."

Roxy...some of the guys on facebook and I came up with the super version of that, hence the SD title before most buttware names.

[Twilight_Princess]

*sigh* I'm worried, I had hoped there would be 2 more SP DLC's to go AT THE VERY LEAST. I need a better ending (or a revamp of priority earth) and ME2 DLC to be the fan I once was. I hoping for 1 of these things to happen...I don't think I can handle more disappointment.

[mnomaha]

This is the last SP DLC. So unless they pull their borg heads out of their borg butts, I doubt anything will be resolved for us. But we can hope. I do still have hope.

I also hope that I win a huge freaking lottery when I moved back to the US. First thing to do...buy buttware from EA, fire everybody, release the real ME3 and restore the bioware name.

lots of hope....

[CroGamer002]

mnomaha wrote...

This is the last SP DLC. So unless they pull their borg heads out of their borg butts, I doubt anything will be resolved for us. But we can hope. I do still have hope.

I also hope that I win a huge freaking lottery when I moved back to the US. First thing to do...buy buttware from EA, fire everybody, release the real ME3 and restore the bioware name.

lots of hope....

Invite me in writting team.

[Roxy]

@Mnomaha Yeah count me on the writing team too lol! ^^
And that's cool I haven't been on Fb/internet for the past few days cause I have been away out of state for a few days.The names and titles Buttware dserves it!

If this is the last SP DLC it better fix what they screwed us over with Thane and let us save him...it better not be something horrible like Thane will only live if you pick Synthesis or something worse nothing is fixed with Thane at all otherwise I will be flipping tables.

Modifié par Roxy, 19 janvier 2013 - 10:42 .

[mnomaha]

Okay, you're both hired!

[Stilographium]

mnomaha wrote...
I also hope that I win a huge freaking lottery when I moved back to the US. First thing to do...buy buttware from EA, fire everybody, release the real ME3 and restore the bioware name.

lots of hope....

I will work for you, mnomaha. No charge.

Also, when exactly did they say that all LIs would be treated equally? Because there's no way they can think that what we got is equal treatment. I wonder if they forgot their promise or if they just didn't care anymore. I feel like they just decided that Liara would be the "main LI" and it would be alright to give her all the attention because she's so popular. I mean, it seems like Liara was a sort of pet character from the start, but it never bothered me until I played ME3 and my chosen LI's death happened and... you know the story. After that, I kind of started to dislike Liara for all the extra screentime she got, and now some things that earlier didn't bother me about her, bother me way too much. For example, how my femShep automatically calls Liara beautiful in ME2's interactive comic (imagine maleShep introducing, say, Garrus like this: "He was a former C-Sec officer and handsome as hell"). I honestly want to like Liara, but it's difficult when I feel like she's forced on me all the time. I tried not to flirt with her in ME1 but somehow she still thought my Shepard would be interested in her. I told her I like Kaidan, but she didn't get the hint and kept on telling my Shep how she feels like "there is attraction between us, too" or something like that. It was just... ugh. Even Kaidan thought there was something between my Shep and Liara. I wonder if I could be a total d*ck to Liara and still make everybody think I'm interested in her, lol.

But enough about Liara. Soo, it's confirmed that this SP DLC will be the last? I still have some hope that it could fix the romances but if it does not, then... I guess I will be pretty much done with ME or at least ME3 and will stick with my headcanons. In regards of Thane, I sometimes find myself hoping that they either give him an option to live or do nothing at all. Because, in case they do nothing, I can keep thinking: "Thane's ME3 treatment is so sh*tty it cannot be taken seriously" and it'll be easier to create my own headcanons for him. I don't know if I'm making any sense lol... I guess I might have accepted Thane's death, had it been done well in the first place, but now that I've been headcanoning him a better fate, I don't want to see him dying again -- no matter how much his romance is improved. As for the ending, I'm quite fine with that with the EC. I still don't like the ending, but right now it just feels like a minor issue. I'd be quite happy headcanoning my Shepard's fate from the breath scene on if I just could have my LI alive.

[CroGamer002]

mnomaha wrote...

Okay, you're both hired!

Nice.

What's the pay?

[gearseffect]

mnomaha wrote...

Okay, you're both hired!

Hire me too please, if not for writing for crazyness or whatever.

Mesina2 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Okay, you're both hired!

Nice.

What's the pay?

I'll work for free if it means working on writing for the real ME3 or just ya know sitting in the old BW office and buring all them sticky blue blow up dolls.

Anyway Hey all I'm back, I went kinda underground WWIII had to erupt as it normally does around my brithday. Anyway I'm back not sure if anyway here wished me any happy b-days but if so thank you.

I felt Dave's remakrs were condesending and more talking down to the fans and claiming us to be whiny entitled brats.

I'm kinda glad that Buttware plans to move away from ME3 soon then it means we can just sit here in the ME2 forum and be like "Hey remember back when ME3 came out and Buttware seemed to acctually at first care about us fans and our hurt feelings about our LIs treatment?" Or "Hey remember when they got sick of us and locked the Character threads down?" Or "Sush Buttware will never utter Thane's name because they know we're still out here. They're afraid to." 


Also it's been how many years and people are still b!tching about Samara's cleavage?  Ok someone said her cleavage was advertising vital organs. Ummmmmmmmmmmm now this is from what I know of certain things from my older brother but the chest is a bad place to shoot to kill, to many things can go wrong. But the head now that's where one is going for a kill shot it's a sweet spot that severs all neves and therefore there is no twitching of nevous system just instant flop over dead. So that said it makes the point of her cleavage showing vital organs completely irrelavent. 

ANyway HEY Myth you got dragged back in here too. and for spankings too.:innocent:

Modifié par gearseffect, 20 janvier 2013 - 12:09 .

[mnomaha]

Gears...I would hire you as head of PR. You could direct all the promotions HONESTLY and with all that energy of yours....Imagine the possibilities.

>.>

If you ever use the words like button pushing and amazing in the same sentence though...well, you'd probably get fired. XD

[mnomaha]

Mesina2 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Okay, you're both hired!

Nice.

What's the pay?

...a house and high speed internet that you don't have to share?

Otherwise...I have no idea.

[JECW]

I think we could all do a much better job with ME3.

@mnomaha
You could buy Bioware or start your own company.

[gearseffect]

mnomaha wrote...

Gears...I would hire you as head of PR. You could direct all the promotions HONESTLY and with all that energy of yours....Imagine the possibilities.

>.>

If you ever use the words like button pushing and amazing in the same sentence though...well, you'd probably get fired. XD

LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLLOL!!!!!  Cool can I bring up all the old Mr H. lies and sell them as truths this time? Hahahahahahahahahaha same with every other lie told? How about we gotta make sure all the characters come back, even if they could die they all gotta come back and not in lame emails. We gotta bring back Rana Thanoptis, Kal'Reegar, Grizz, Gavorn, Chairmen Burns, Veetor, Shiela, Eddie Lang, Jacob's dad (unless he's dead), Mealon, and we gotta fix Oleg, Cro told me what they did to him and I was like "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" 

[mnomaha]

Stilographium wrote...

mnomaha wrote...
I also hope that I win a huge freaking lottery when I moved back to the US. First thing to do...buy buttware from EA, fire everybody, release the real ME3 and restore the bioware name.

lots of hope....

I will work for you, mnomaha. No charge.  I see what you did there. LOL

Also, when exactly did they say that all LIs would be treated equally? Because there's no way they can think that what we got is equal treatment. I wonder if they forgot their promise or if they just didn't care anymore. I feel like they just decided that Liara would be the "main LI" and it would be alright to give her all the attention because she's so popular. I mean, it seems like Liara was a sort of pet character from the start, but it never bothered me until I played ME3 and my chosen LI's death happened and... you know the story. After that, I kind of started to dislike Liara for all the extra screentime she got, and now some things that earlier didn't bother me about her, bother me way too much. For example, how my femShep automatically calls Liara beautiful in ME2's interactive comic (imagine maleShep introducing, say, Garrus like this: "He was a former C-Sec officer and handsome as hell"). I honestly want to like Liara, but it's difficult when I feel like she's forced on me all the time. I tried not to flirt with her in ME1 but somehow she still thought my Shepard would be interested in her. I told her I like Kaidan, but she didn't get the hint and kept on telling my Shep how she feels like "there is attraction between us, too" or something like that. It was just... ugh. Even Kaidan thought there was something between my Shep and Liara. I wonder if I could be a total d*ck to Liara and still make everybody think I'm interested in her, lol.

But enough about Liara. Soo, it's confirmed that this SP DLC will be the last? I still have some hope that it could fix the romances but if it does not, then... I guess I will be pretty much done with ME or at least ME3 and will stick with my headcanons. In regards of Thane, I sometimes find myself hoping that they either give him an option to live or do nothing at all. Because, in case they do nothing, I can keep thinking: "Thane's ME3 treatment is so sh*tty it cannot be taken seriously" and it'll be easier to create my own headcanons for him. I don't know if I'm making any sense lol... I guess I might have accepted Thane's death, had it been done well in the first place, but now that I've been headcanoning him a better fate, I don't want to see him dying again -- no matter how much his romance is improved. As for the ending, I'm quite fine with that with the EC. I still don't like the ending, but right now it just feels like a minor issue. I'd be quite happy headcanoning my Shepard's fate from the breath scene on if I just could have my LI alive.

I believe that is the reason for all the Liara hate. She is a favourite and it is blatantly obvious in the writing. And although I don't have the links available, yes, we were told they would be treated equally and we would be satisfied. I wonder what the writers judge their levels of satisfaction on because...well...apparently I have higher levels of satisfaction that these people. Kinda makes me sad for...nevermind.

Thane's death is ****ty and always will be ****ty. Had they done ie credit, (note: with the emotional depth beyond the maturity of a 6 year old) we would not be so upset about it. Sure we would be sad but we wouldn't be pissed off and bitter. It felt every bit as cheaply as it was written and I expected better of them, even if the "writer" was a total newb. Apparently it only applied to Thane though, because didn't Hepler also write Cameltoe? I could be wrong...

And now I feel bad about referencing 6 year olds. They have far more emotional maturity than the writing of Thane in ME3.

Anyways, just my bitter thoughts for the day.

What kind of job did you want?