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[giftfish]

Yep, no more angsty for me, thanks.

Though, there was plenty of suspenseful material in Stratagems.

But yeah, if I was interested in Shepard and Thane not having a happy ending, I would just play the flippin game.

[mnomaha]

I think that's why I quit reading fics in general. I was/am so disappointed by ME3 that I just don't need any more reminders. Now I want romance and general fluffy happy bunnies.

And for ****s sake, I want ridges!

[coldwetn0se]

mnomaha wrote...

I think that's why I quit reading fics in general. I was/am so disappointed by ME3 that I just don't need any more reminders. Now I want romance and general fluffy happy bunnies.

And for ****s sake, I want ridges!

Sweetie....who doesn't! *wacka-wacka!*

[giftfish]

zomg ridges...

Not having read these fics before, they are creating not only the ending, but the story that I wanted in ME3 so badly. Stratagems really nailed much of it for me, and it's so nice to have the bad taste of the game washed out of my mouth.

Don't get me wrong, I still am hoping for good things to come out of this final DLC, but reading this fic helps lend creedence to having an entirely different reality of ME3 for me. In short, it makes it easier for me to forget the game.

[mnomaha]

I just don't think about it. Or I try not to. My brain is good like that. Besides, I'm still trying to get the hell out of Dodge.

I take comfort in knowing that CDPR is working on two amazing games and that they have NEVER disappointed me. With the latest Witcher...it *almost* sounds like they want to take on Bethesda. A couple years ago I would have said buttware, but really, when is the last time they put out a game that didn't ****** people off?

[JECW]

I'm not hoping for a damn thing out of that new dlc. It's going to be more of the same. I would be shocked if they bothered to do anything for the ME2 crew.
The only thing that helps is reading fanfic, and not the ones where Thane dies. I have no problem with them, but no matter how well they might be written it still doesn't make his death or what BW did to him easier.

Modifié par JECW, 06 février 2013 - 10:20 .

[giftfish]

JECW wrote...
The only thing that helps is reading fanfic, and not the ones were Thane dies. I have no problem with them, but no matter how well they might be written it still doesn't make his death or what BW did to him easier.

HELL no.

If I wanted to watch Thane die again, I'd go play the game.

Stratagems is a nice balance of angst, suspense, strategy, happy, and sad.  All in a very well-written package that isn't remotely "soap-operay" or overly dramatic. Two thumbs up big time.

Can't wait to see how Elana's story evolves :]

[bananflugan14]

Now I got afraid for my project I'm not gonna post my song once it's done then lol. It's kinda sad but a closure song if that makes sense but I can understand if people don't want that anymore, and wish more for a happy themes ^^

[coldwetn0se]

bananflugan14 wrote...

Now I got afraid for my project I'm not gonna post my song once it's done then lol. It's kinda sad but a closure song if that makes sense but I can understand if people don't want that anymore, and wish more for a happy themes ^^

Don't be afraid to post it, banan.  I'm sure there are some on this thread who would find it right up their alley.  And we have lurkers too (......I know you're out there.....>.>  <.<  ), some who would be more than happy to view your video. 

I  really do understand that for some, dealing with the sad, or even amplifying it, is a form of catharsis.  For me though, it has the opposite affect.  Instead, I use crass jokes, and a dash of "rage" posting, to fulfill my catharses needs.  And to make me feel better about how Thane's and Shepard's characters were dealt with in me3, I choose happier fanfic.

[Sable Rhapsody]

coldwetn0se wrote...
It's funny.....I also read DA fanfics, and I am much more willing to read the dark/angsty/hurt/comfort.  If I was to ponder why, I would suggest it was because I KNOW that the LI's in DA can live (and "somewhat" happily ever after), if that is the path you choose.  Because the game doesn't give us any options relating to Thane, I just don't feel like indulging with what I already am forced to have without player agency.  *shrug*  I think this is true, since stories I read before me3 came out, I was much more willing to peruse the somewhat tragic tales of Thane and Shepard.  They still weren't my favorites, but I was willing to give them a go. Now.....no.

I 100% agree with this.  Besides, I romanced Anders in DA2, so I really only have myself to blame for that 

Anders is actually a good example of a well-done tragic romance.  There's really no way for that story arc to end happily: even if he survives, he's still either a) considering suicide down the rivalry path or thoroughly corrupted by Vengeance down the friendship path thanks to Hawke's enabling.

Here's the thing: Anders had "THIS IS A F***ING BAD IDEA" painted all over him.  Your companions comment on it, the codices refer to it, even Anders tries to push you away multiple times.  If you go ahead and romance him anyway, it's your own damn fault.  Thane had two conversations about him dying of Kepral's, then plenty of other auxiliary content hinting at a cure.  Jacob in ME2 was a totally stand-up and loyal guy.  It was never made clear that these two relationships were going to end badly no matter what.  If they'd received the same degree of warning and foreshadowing as Anders (and to a lesser extent Morrigan), I wouldn't have minded the developments in ME3 nearly as much.

[coldwetn0se]

@Sable - that is a good example with Anders. And even with Anders, there is enough left unsaid to make up whatever the hell you want....after the fact (running for your lives, getting the hell outta "Dodge"....lol!). I saw the Ander's relationship just like you stated....big flashing warning sirens. And that was on my very first run, and I chose Fenris as my LI. Yet, I still see how there is at least "some" wiggle room, to make up a number of different conclusions to the Hawke + Anders relationship.

Even Morrigan has a bit of an "out" with Witch Hunt. Lots of room to make up whatever you please at the end (keeping it spoiler free because I know a certain person who has yet to play that....)

As for Thane and Jacob, because this was a trilogy I think the ONE consistent thing people were hoping for, was to continue and finish out the series with the LI of their choice. Just that. And considering the timelines, the possible cure or life extention we are hinted with, having Thane simply last till the end of series, is just not difficult to see. Would he necessarily be cured in-game? Perhaps not, and I could live with that. Leaving things open-ended enough with "some" aspects (like a cure or life extention), while finishing the in-game romantic arc is all I was hoping for......silly wabbit! Or,if they had wished to include a story arc relating to the Hanar cure for Thane and ALL drells, I would have totally been on board with that as well.

And as for poor Jacob. Just plain unnecessary. In a relationship with Shepard; simply works with Brynn. Not in a relationship with Shepard; getting jiggy with Brynn. Done. Romance content could have been at least as plentiful as say, Jack or Miranda (which may not be much, but I think Thane and Jacob romancers would have taken it).

[mnomaha]

You wouldn't think curing the Drell would be that complicated. ****, there are only three of them.

No excuse for Thane or Jacob. None.

[coldwetn0se]

mnomaha wrote...

You wouldn't think curing the Drell would be that complicated. ****, there are only three of them.

No excuse for Thane or Jacob. None.

Damn that was funny....in a very sad, pathetic way, but funny nonetheless.

Come have a blue-cheese dressing salad with me, Shell.

[mnomaha]

*giggles hysterically* blue cheeeeeese!

Thanks, your the best!

[Askeebe]

I think "Strategems" is one of the best ME3 fics I've read. It had a plausible story, good characterizations, and best of all, a freakin' happy ending that's believable.

I've been plugging away at a couple stories, but I think I'm stuck in the main one. I've never been brave enough to post to ff.net, but I think I need to ask for a beta. Any suggestions? I've got a fair bit started, but I'm not a short story writer, and having a beta (and actually getting off my butt and posting) would motivate me to keep working on them.

[Roxy]

@coldi Have you read "Take me to infinity"?She's already written in her story where her femshep saved Thane,it's really good...of course it's set in ME 2 still I think but I dont' think she is planning on writing a sad ending.

@Elana I read your story it is good and I finally finished the 6th chapter,I've been busy lately,I was hoping for more sexy time with thane but that was good still,keep it going! ^^


I really hate it when someone wants to write a sad ending with Thane it feels as if somebody wants to rub it in,open the ol wound again and rub salt in it. I have enough going on in my life I dont' need someone ruining my choices in my games because they think they need drama in it and then someone thinks writing something sad about it is gonna win them great reviews... no,I don't think so!

*coughs*....hehe okay sorry bout that,had to get that out.

@Askeebe Go for it,Idk any betas though but I hope you can find one!


EDIT: We need some Happy Femshep & Thane

Modifié par Roxy, 07 février 2013 - 04:22 .

[DineBoo]

As I said in threads regarding Jacob, if they were going to drop the bomb that he was cheater in ME3, then they needed to plant clues in ME2. Something that warns the player that things may not end well.

Where was the warning from Miranda? Shepard catching Jacob responding to holovids from other women? Kelly forwarding e-mails to Shep about angry exs? At least that would partially explain Jacob in ME3.

And the flimsy excuse that writer/dev said about it was expected that Jacob cheat because he switched loyalties is complete bull. Just because he had issues with the Alliance and later Cerberus does not make one a cheater. It's not mutually exclusive.

And Thane saying he was dying wasn't a warning either. Just because one expected him to dies doesn't means it negates the romance. And there was always a chance he could live to the end of ME3 and not be cured.

If they hadn't droped cure clues in ME2 and had Thane's illness at more critical junction, maybe I could see the "You knew he was dying" excuse.

But the excuses do not mitigate how the characters were treated. If Thane was going to die and Jacob was going to cheat, then they should have been written a whole heck of a lot better. Like characters comforting Shep if she romanced Thane and Shep being able to renegade Jacob.

[Roxy]

I agree, and not only that but they don't want to admit their screw ups...of course not!



Here lately I've been busying myself playing Borderlands and Borderlands 2 to keep my mind off of this just a little but of course. *sigh* I just hope there is something in that DLC that will make us happy,I ain't holding my breath but I ain't giving up either.

Modifié par Roxy, 07 février 2013 - 03:52 .

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

You wouldn't think curing the Drell would be that complicated. ****, there are only three of them.

No excuse for Thane or Jacob. None.

Apparently curing a race of three people was so much harder for BW then curing the genophage.

[coldwetn0se]

Askeebe wrote...

I think "Strategems" is one of the best ME3 fics I've read. It had a plausible story, good characterizations, and best of all, a freakin' happy ending that's believable.

I've been plugging away at a couple stories, but I think I'm stuck in the main one. I've never been brave enough to post to ff.net, but I think I need to ask for a beta. Any suggestions? I've got a fair bit started, but I'm not a short story writer, and having a beta (and actually getting off my butt and posting) would motivate me to keep working on them.

I might be able to beta for you, if you are interested.  I do have some previous obligations, and I am still writing for the Cosmic Love blog, but if you aren't in a rush or don't find anyone before I'm available.....let me know.   Regardless, I encourage you to keep writing....cuz we wants to READ! 

[mnomaha]

Well, Jessica whatsherface is all over twitter with DLC feedback. I call bull****, but I'm just one voice.

For the record...She's probably a Liaramancer and just got her blue babies cuz ya know...they're "listening".

[JECW]

If BW gives them stupid blue babies I will be pissed. That would be so silly.

[Sable Rhapsody]

coldwetn0se wrote...
Yet, I still see how there is at least "some" wiggle room, to make up a number of different conclusions to the Hawke + Anders relationship.

Even Morrigan has a bit of an "out" with Witch Hunt. Lots of room to make up whatever you please at the end (keeping it spoiler free because I know a certain person who has yet to play that....)

That's very true.  Even though I tend to have a more pessimistic view of the Hawke/Anders relationship, regardless of friendship or rivalry, other people can headcanon a happier version without contradicting the in-game events.  

DineBoo wrote...
And the flimsy excuse that writer/dev said about it was expected that Jacob cheat because he switched loyalties is complete bull. Just because he had issues with the Alliance and later Cerberus does not make one a cheater. It's not mutually exclusive.

It doesn't make him a cheater, but it IS consistent with ME3's attitude toward a Shepard who switched love interests and allegiance in ME2.  The game seems to think if you didn't romance an ME1 LI and suck up to the Alliance, your choices didn't count for much.  

I played a Renegade ManShep who romanced Ash in ME1, Miranda in ME2, and stuck with Miranda in ME3.  I felt like a lot of ME3 was basically yelling, "Don't you feel bad about siding with TIM and cheating on Ash?  DON'T YOU?!"  Answer: not a bit.  F*** you, game.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 07 février 2013 - 10:09 .

[JECW]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

DineBoo wrote...
And the flimsy excuse that writer/dev said about it was expected that Jacob cheat because he switched loyalties is complete bull. Just because he had issues with the Alliance and later Cerberus does not make one a cheater. It's not mutually exclusive.

It doesn't make him a cheater, but it IS consistent with ME3's attitude toward a Shepard who switched love interests and allegiance in ME2.  The game seems to think if you didn't romance an ME1 LI and suck up to the Alliance, your choices didn't count for much.  

I played a Renegade ManShep who romanced Ash in ME1, Miranda in ME2, and stuck with Miranda in ME3.  I felt like a lot of ME3 was basically yelling, "Don't you feel bad about siding with TIM and cheating on Ash?  DON'T YOU?!"  Answer: not a bit.  F*** you, game.

I agree.
That's exactly how the game made you feel. Shepard became so pro-Alliance it was ridiculous to me. Not everyone's Shepard was and BW knows this. They even have Jack telling Shepard it was his/her lifelong dream to return to the Alliance. It wasn't my Shepards dream and I don't remember Shepard ever saying that.

Then they had Shepard looking like a fool for trusting Cerberus when my Shepards never really did. I never got the impression that in ME2 Shepard totaly trusted TIM. She just worked with him and then told him off in the end. ME3 comes along and it's like Shepard was completely blind to everything.

[mnomaha]

It's right up there with Jacob telling Shep that the Normandy was her only real love. Um, really? And while mine was not Jacob, I bloody guarantee you it was Thane. Did the same newb write Jacob?