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[RShara]

I am in the Keep Thane alive group. If he dies, I will just sob at my desk for days. There's no reason he *has* to die, a cure can be handled any number of ways.



But if he has to die (nonononono) I hope BW handles it tastefully and carefully. This is my worst-case-scenario....



Finality

[Baris]

OK, I always say his illness is a lame excuse and did not matter to me much but this being a few playthroughs and lots of ideas ago, I could not remember *why* I felt that way to begin with (bad memory here) until now.

Here it is: first I thought it was definite Thane was going to die since he outright says "I'm dying". Not too much left to interpretation there. Then you learn he has 8 to 10 months to live and the last cutscene with the Reapers gives the feeling that it won't take as long as 2 years between ME2 and 3 - at least to me. Now, if ME 3 does take place within the next say 8 months after ME2, do Bioware really have to do anything with Thane's illness? They don't have to kill him, they don't have to cure him - everybody's happy y/n? Shepard's story ended and Thane's story is left open (with maybe a few comments about Hanar still working on it and maybe Mordin showing interest like he does for Joker) and the rest is up to the fans' imagination.

I don't know, the more I think about it, the less viable every other solution sounds. Note that this is only my opinion but giving an LI a terminal illness *is* lame and unnecessarily melodramatic, trying to cure him might be even more so. Then again, there's a reason why I'm not a writer and they might just pull it off.

I just typed this in a hurry fearing I might forget about it and skipped some comments so I don't know if this was mentioned. I wonder what Thane fans think about this "solution" though. Is it acceptable or I shouldn't ever consider such a thing?

Edit: laradenton said it's 8 to 12 months - even better.

Modifié par Baris, 22 mars 2010 - 11:47 .

[Arahlene]

Baris wrote...

OK, I always say his illness is a lame excuse and did not matter to me much but this being a few playthroughs and lots of ideas ago, I could not remember *why* I felt that way to begin with (bad memory here) until now.

Here it is: first I thought it was definite Thane was going to die since he outright says "I'm dying". Not too much left to interpretation there. Then you learn he has 8 to 10 months to live and the last cutscene with the Reapers gives the feeling that it won't take as long as 2 years between ME2 and 3 - at least to me. Now, if ME 3 does take place within the next say 8 months after ME2, do Bioware really have to do anything with Thane's illness? They don't have to kill him, they don't have to cure him - everybody's happy y/n? Shepard's story ended and Thane's story is left open (with maybe a few comments about Hanar still working on it and maybe Mordin showing interest like he does for Joker) and the rest is up to the fans' imagination.

I don't know, the more I think about it, the less viable every other solution sounds. Note that this is only my opinion but giving an LI a terminal illness *is* lame and unnecessarily melodramatic, trying to cure him might be even more so. Then again, there's a reason why I'm not a writer and they might just pull it off.

I just typed this in a hurry fearing I might forget about it and skipped some comments so I don't know if this was mentioned. I wonder what Thane fans think about this "solution" though. Is it acceptable or I shouldn't ever consider such a thing?

Edit: laradenton said it's 8 to 12 months - even better.

My initial assumption was definitely that his illness just wouldn't matter that much in terms of the games, just like you mention. To be honest, I will be content with just not having to watch him die in the game. However, I would prefer a little more ambiguous ending where his life is either prolonged or his illness is cured.

Summary of my opinions:
Happy: Thane is cured or his life is prolonged
Content: Thane does not die in the game
Unhappy: Thane dies during the course of ME3
Nerd Rage: Thane dies in between ME2 and ME3

[Collider]

Baris wrote...
They don't have to kill him, they don't have to cure him - everybody's happy y/n? Shepard's story ended and Thane's story is left open (with maybe a few comments about Hanar still working on it and maybe Mordin showing interest like he does for Joker) and the rest is up to the fans' imagination.

That's quite a good idea. The plot of element of a deadly disease is still there, but you also have ambiguity so the cure could conceivably be imagined to happen after. Or you could imagine that Thane doesn't get a cure and femshep enjoys the time she has left with him.

[Lara Denton]

51ha wrote...

Baris wrote...

OK, I always say his illness is a lame excuse and did not matter to me much but this being a few playthroughs and lots of ideas ago, I could not remember *why* I felt that way to begin with (bad memory here) until now.

Here it is: first I thought it was definite Thane was going to die since he outright says "I'm dying". Not too much left to interpretation there. Then you learn he has 8 to 10 months to live and the last cutscene with the Reapers gives the feeling that it won't take as long as 2 years between ME2 and 3 - at least to me. Now, if ME 3 does take place within the next say 8 months after ME2, do Bioware really have to do anything with Thane's illness? They don't have to kill him, they don't have to cure him - everybody's happy y/n? Shepard's story ended and Thane's story is left open (with maybe a few comments about Hanar still working on it and maybe Mordin showing interest like he does for Joker) and the rest is up to the fans' imagination.

I don't know, the more I think about it, the less viable every other solution sounds. Note that this is only my opinion but giving an LI a terminal illness *is* lame and unnecessarily melodramatic, trying to cure him might be even more so. Then again, there's a reason why I'm not a writer and they might just pull it off.

I just typed this in a hurry fearing I might forget about it and skipped some comments so I don't know if this was mentioned. I wonder what Thane fans think about this "solution" though. Is it acceptable or I shouldn't ever consider such a thing?

Edit: laradenton said it's 8 to 12 months - even better.

I agree. Although I would like him to get cured if they don't do that they should at least leave it to the imagination. So if you romance him you get some kind of encouragement that maybe he will be well. If you don't you get in text that you never saw him again (he went to solitude or got cured - however you want).

And he said he will be FINE for another 8- 12 months. The more time he spends in dry environment the better. So I say 12 months. And after that he would start showing symptoms and probably have a very slow and painful death.

And that's cool and "emo" (whatever that's suppose to mean, it sounds silly, should everybody around here be in a corner and crying?) and it gives players some sense of drama that are looking for, except for one thing:  it's not their LI in the game.

Modifié par laradenton, 22 mars 2010 - 01:02 .

[Baris]

Arahlene wrote...

Summary of my opinions:
Happy: Thane is cured or his life is prolonged
Content: Thane does not die in the game
Unhappy: Thane dies during the course of ME3
Nerd Rage: Thane dies in between ME2 and ME3

The "unhappy" one is what makes me shudder. I'm not much into this kind of stuff, especially in ME universe - I'd much rather he is cured magically between ME2 and 3. My Shep: "I knew it was just a distasteful plot device. Let's move along!"

"Rage" one on the other hand is just downright unfair.

Collider and 51ha, good to see there are people who agree this can be a viable solution of sorts for Thane's story. I do not remember if he says he has 8 to 12 moths to live or 8 to 12 months to show symptoms though - the more time he has the better.

[Collider]

laradenton wrote...
And that's cool and "emo" (whatever that's suppose to mean, it sounds silly, should everybody around here be in a corner and crying?) and it gives players some sense of drama that are looking for, except for one thing:  it's not their LI in the game.

Very good point. I've seen people suggesting that LIs should get killed in ME3 just for the drama. That's just distasteful. Bioware is perfectly able to create drama without killing off fan favorites.

[Collider]

Since we're talking about this particular, I'd like to post this poll on the very subject:
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2682/

[Lara Denton]

RShara: I don't have the heart to read it.

Baris: I'm fine with a cure between the games. There's nothing wrong with that.

Collider: because ME2 was named the dark chapter, I am expecting some happy endings.
The poll pretty much shows that more people care about him being cured, one way or another, than him being dead.

51ha: I dont call him emo, but I've seen it before and there's a post a page back that uses the word and I was referring to that one.

[Arahlene]

Baris wrote...

Arahlene wrote...

Summary of my opinions:
Happy: Thane is cured or his life is prolonged
Content: Thane does not die in the game
Unhappy: Thane dies during the course of ME3
Nerd Rage: Thane dies in between ME2 and ME3

The "unhappy" one is what makes me shudder. I'm not much into this kind of stuff, especially in ME universe - I'd much rather he is cured magically between ME2 and 3. My Shep: "I knew it was just a distasteful plot device. Let's move along!"

"Rage" one on the other hand is just downright unfair.

Collider and 51ha, good to see there are people who agree this can be a viable solution of sorts for Thane's story. I do not remember if he says he has 8 to 12 moths to live or 8 to 12 months to show symptoms though - the more time he has the better.

I've seen remarkably many people dismiss Thane as per my "rage" option.
"He won't  be around in ME3 because he will be dead"-type of argument (granted, he could actually be dead but that goes for everyone and has nothing to do with his illness). Yes, it would be really unfair, but some people seem rather convinced that that's how it will turn out. I for one, hope and think Bioware has a better view of storytelling than that.

I don't mind having some type of twist to curing him. The one to keep Alistair (or yourself) in DA is brilliant for example (and it was very entertaining to persuade him), though that type of twist might be hard to implement in a believable fashion in ME . Or is it? Maybe there will be some hanar seductress/shaman/witch sitting on a cure...[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

[Collider]

laradenton wrote...
Collider: because ME2 was named the dark chapter, I am expecting some happy endings.

It'd stand to reason. The formula for a trilogy in general may very well be this:
Introduction - Dark Second Chapter - Victory.
Victory includes a happy ending as well. I'd hate for anyone's LI to die or get the shaft so to speak (then again I doubt Jacob matters haha).

[Lara Denton]

Arahlene wrote...

I've seen remarkably many people dismiss Thane as per my "rage" option.
"He won't  be around in ME3 because he will be dead"-type of argument (granted, he could actually be dead but that goes for everyone and has nothing to do with his illness). Yes, it would be really unfair, but some people seem rather convinced that that's how it will turn out. I for one, hope and think Bioware has a better view of storytelling than that.

I don't mind having some type of twist to curing him. The one to keep Alistair (or yourself) in DA is brilliant for example (and it was very entertaining to persuade him), though that type of twist might be hard to implement in a believable fashion in ME . Or is it? Maybe there will be some hanar seductress/shaman/witch sitting on a cure...[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Nah... I think ME is different in that regard. But you never know...

[Collider]

Arahlene wrote...

I don't mind having some type of twist to curing him. The one to keep Alistair (or yourself) in DA is brilliant for example (and it was very entertaining to persuade him),

It's kind of sad how the Alistair romance was handled especially since Alistair staying with you apparently hinges a lot on whether you said something in one easily missable conversation that didn't appear to be that significant...

[Lara Denton]

Collider wrote...

laradenton wrote...
Collider: because ME2 was named the dark chapter, I am expecting some happy endings.

It'd stand to reason. The formula for a trilogy in general may very well be this:
Introduction - Dark Second Chapter - Victory.
Victory includes a happy ending as well. I'd hate for anyone's LI to die or get the shaft so to speak (then again I doubt Jacob matters haha).

Star Wars has a happy ending (the original 3 episodes) so, yes, that is what I'm expecting. Everybody's happy, all the matters resolved and well, this time the hero to get the girl (the guy in our case).

[Lara Denton]

Collider wrote...

Arahlene wrote...

I don't mind having some type of twist to curing him. The one to keep Alistair (or yourself) in DA is brilliant for example (and it was very entertaining to persuade him),

It's kind of sad how the Alistair romance was handled especially since Alistair staying with you apparently hinges a lot on whether you said something in one easily missable conversation that didn't appear to be that significant...

That was a... cheap trick. Too many events depended on a damned crappy line. Let's not get into that. I'll get dizzy.

[Arahlene]

laradenton wrote...

Collider wrote...

Arahlene wrote...

I don't mind having some type of twist to curing him. The one to keep Alistair (or yourself) in DA is brilliant for example (and it was very entertaining to persuade him),

It's kind of sad how the Alistair romance was handled especially since Alistair staying with you apparently hinges a lot on whether you said something in one easily missable conversation that didn't appear to be that significant...

That was a... cheap trick. Too many events depended on a damned crappy line. Let's not get into that. I'll get dizzy.

Really? I didn't know that. Oh, now I got curious...  Anyone mind telling me what that was?

[Collider]

Arahlene wrote...

laradenton wrote...

Collider wrote...

Arahlene wrote...

I don't mind having some type of twist to curing him. The one to keep Alistair (or yourself) in DA is brilliant for example (and it was very entertaining to persuade him),

It's kind of sad how the Alistair romance was handled especially since Alistair staying with you apparently hinges a lot on whether you said something in one easily missable conversation that didn't appear to be that significant...

That was a... cheap trick. Too many events depended on a damned crappy line. Let's not get into that. I'll get dizzy.

Really? I didn't know that. Oh, now I got curious...  Anyone mind telling me what that was?

Alistair's quest, if you get his approval high enough, is to meet his sister in Denerim for the first time. She treats him like dirt and doesn't welcome him around. After you leave her home there's a conversation about how Alistair didn't expect his sister to be so malevolent. Basically, you've got like 6 options to say to him, and one of them tells him that everyone is out for themselves. This option allows Alistair to keep the warden as a mistress later on in the game if he's made King. The problem is that the player would have no idea that that line would make such a difference.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Alistair

Modifié par Collider, 22 mars 2010 - 02:07 .

[Baris]

Baris: I'm fine with a cure between the games. There's nothing wrong
with that.

The thing that is wrong with that is it would make me question the existence of a terminal illness to begin with. Even more so than I already do. And the answers I come up with (that I mentioned earlier) are not making this subplot any more endearing to me than it already is - which is to say not at all. Actually, a part of me would really like a shortcut like that just to get rid of this aspect of the character - and move along to discuss many other things that deserves at least as much attention, not to mention to see a more playful and relaxed Thane. However, I can't say I could convince myself to be completely fine with it.

Or is it? Maybe there will be some hanar seductress/shaman/witch sitting
on a cure...

Maybe it will be Mordin. Oh the places my mind wanders...

[Lara Denton]

Arahlene wrote...
Really? I didn't know that. Oh, now I got curious...  Anyone mind telling me what that was?

The hardening or not part is what I was referring to..

Anyway, never mind, because:

SPOILER for Awakening:










You get a happy ending.

Modifié par laradenton, 22 mars 2010 - 02:10 .

[Sialater]

The problem with Thane's illness is that it may not have been intended to define his character, but it does. He's The Tragically Dying Romantic Interest. It's lame in normal fiction, doubly lame in Sci-fi.



Cure him, so we can forget the illness ever existed and he can just be an awesome assassin.

[kaimanaMM]

Summary of my opinions:
Happy: Thane is cured or his life is prolonged
Content: Thane does not die in the game
Unhappy: Thane dies during the course of ME3
Nerd Rage: Thane dies in between ME2 and ME3

Spot on.

My rage will be beyond epic if choices and consequences are taken away from me (i.e. Thane dying between ME2 and ME3) and I would not spend one red cent on ME3.  I've said it in other places, possibly even in this thread, but what does his death give to those of us who romanced him?  A more emotionally engaging game than those who romanced Garrus or Kaidan or Ashley, etc.?  And those who didn't romance him, should their choices in the game trump my own thus giving them a more rewarding experience at the sake of my own (i.e. a  happy ending with Tali or Miranda)?  I'm all for tragedy and dramatic story lines, but Thane's death before ME3 or in ME3 would most likely turn me from a huge BW fan into the Batarian Prophet.

That said, I don't want Thane to live forever, nor do I expect him to.  I imagine he has a part to play in ME3.  His character and story evolution through ME2 put him on the cusp of something very interesting going into ME3, his plotline is hardly resolved whether you romanced him or not.  Should a choice arise where Shepard has to choose between Thane and X, involving a cure or possibly proloning his life without suffering then that has the potential to be a very memorable and poignant moment - but not at the cost of the relationship between him and Shepard. 

There are many ways to keep Thane alive and still retain the feeling of drama and attachment to the character.

[Arahlene]

laradenton wrote...

Arahlene wrote...
Really? I didn't know that. Oh, now I got curious...  Anyone mind telling me what that was?

The hardening or not part is what I was referring to..

Anyway, never mind, because:

SPOILER for Awakening:










You get a happy ending.

Hehe, nice. I just ordered it, makes it worth my while :happy:

Anyways, I'm not implying that Alistair and Thane should have anything in common, I just liked that "are you kidding me?!" feel that I got from the whole thing. It was fun and uncomfortable at the same time. And I hardly think Thane needs hardening, though I still would like a renegade approach to the romance. Renegade FemShep needs some affection too and Garrus lacks the cosy-factor and Jacob, well... I don't think I need to explain.