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[coldwetn0se]

I may be the odd man out on the Game of Thrones series....I'm a sucker for it. That isn't to say that I don't see the grimdark of it (it can be a bit oppressive...lol) But I think I understand why something like that series is different to me, than most sci-fi. I can immerse myself plenty in fantasy/high fantasy, but there is often "just enough disconnect" (because so many elements are not comparable to real life), that I can handle much more of the grimdark. Besides, there is a difference (I find) between immersing oneself in a set storyline (like a book or a movie), and immersing myself in an RPG.

Now having said all of that, I am not a fan of grimdark in sci-fi. Even though it is fiction, we CAN imagine it as a "future of possibilities". Because of such, I don't enjoy imagining that life now is all for naught, because doomsday is right around the corner. Scientific "hell-on-earth" is about to be unleashed. Blah! There is a sci-fi writer that participated in a futurist conference, with a number of scientists, and the acedemics pointed their proverbial fingers at him, and blamed sci-fi writers for righting to much doom and gloom. They claim that sci-fi authors were not encouraging new and upcoming scientist/inventors from coming to be, because too much of the current genre is dedicated to the "doom and gloom".  Here is the LINK that explains a new challenge that this conference (and the writer in question, Neal Stephenson), has put forth to the sci-fi writing community.  I for one, hope they throw down their gauntlets, and accept such a challenge.

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 28 février 2013 - 12:58 .

[Roxy]

I just want Joffrey's head on a pike end of story!

They killed Nightcrawler?
I had a bit of a crush on him years ago.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Roxy wrote...
I just want Joffrey's head on a pike end of story!

You and the rest of the Internet.  And everyone in Westeros 

True to form, the actor who plays Joff is apparently the nicest, sweetest kid in the word who was constantly apologizing to his co-stars when he had to be horrible to them in scenes.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 28 février 2013 - 01:33 .

[Thrazesul]

I don't really MIND some deaths, it's just right now it's a lot of them happening in a short time so I'm getting very depressed and terrified of bothering with characters anymore...

Random spoilers below.


Ned's in Game of thrones, did make sense... Drogo's just seemed so cruel and unnecessary vicious, but that's just me maybe. (I assume we have spoiled the crap out of them anyway by now so might as well talk)

Mordin's death was sad, but "nice"... Red Dead redemption also has a death that's "nice".

But few provoke as much anger as Thane's, and it's not as much him dying that does it, it's the how/why and how everything before is crap... -.-


Nightcrawler's death is shortly behind Thane's... maybe it was done well, but the fact Marvel now chicken out on their usual tactic of bringing everyone back to life somehow is just pissing me off to no end. I mean, Phoenix has HOW MANY god darn esurrections, but when Kurt dies? NOPE! Sorry!

(No I'm not a fan of the Phoenix thing)


I'm just so sick and tired of seeing so much death everywhere. Don't we have enough of that RL already. Don't need games to remind me how frigging fragile life is. (yes I know I can just skip that kind of stuff in media) But the fact it seems to become the new norm is worrying.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Thrazesul wrote...
Ned's in Game of thrones, did make sense... Drogo's just seemed so cruel and unnecessary vicious, but that's just me maybe. (I assume we have spoiled the crap out of them anyway by now so might as well talk)  

Well, think of Drogo's death from the point of view of the witch who killed him.  She IS right to an extent about the Dothraki; they rape and kill without a second thought, and sell survivors into slavery.  Drogo and Daenerys's son would've been the Stallion who Mounts the World, a Genghis Khan figure.  She was getting revenge on Drogo for killing and enslaving her people, and at the same time preventing Drogo's son from doing the same thing on a much larger scale.  I would've done the same thing in her shoes.

On a storyline level, Drogo's death helps accelerate Daenerys's character development.  The "goal" for her character isn't happiness or comfort or love; it's the Iron Throne.  She was happy with Drogo, but also dependent on his strength, his military might.  Without Drogo or her brother, she's forced to grow up quickly and find her own strength.

[Thrazesul]

I can see all of those things now, really, but the first view left a very sour after taste. I only cared for a few characters and they all perished, some more minor than others. xD They've obviously done something right, since it's a popular show, it's just too dark for my taste. (And I'm a HUGE fan of anything with dragons, yet it wasn't enough here)

I might look at it again, when all the seasons are out. Least to avoid any cliffhangers.

Also, back on topic, just... 6 more days until we know.

[mnomaha]

*snorts* seven days if you're in New Zealand.

[Thrazesul]

Sorry, I can't account for all time frames. It's 3am on the 28 where I am.

[Roxy]

Man,I can see why your depressed,all your favorite characters dieing out....*hugs*?

[disc0nnect7]

Khal Drogo's actor was a hottie, though I don't like his character in the books. Who would have thought a boo-boo would have killed him in the end, he was a beast. My favorite actor in Game Of Thrones is Kit Harington, who plays Jon Snow Mmmm I love me some emo boy.

The Biotic Mastery banner with Thane is great, definitely going to be my permanent banner in MP. Thankfully I've had Biotic Mastery done for a while I'm kind of surprised a banner with Thane even made it to the top 10, but I'm sure as hell glad it did.

[coldwetn0se]

Thraz, I really am right there with you. I may not have a problem with all deaths in all stories, but I really do get the "ENOUGH with the death thing!" In fact, if truth be told, Game of Thrones may be the first show in a while, that I have been willing to watch even though it is dark. Have that little bit of disconnect, as I was saying in my previous post, helps.

I have a problem with Thane's death for a number of reasons, but one that isn't brought up often enough is the fact that his "illness" made him easier to kill off. They could get their "emotional" impact, but at the expense of someone who was nearly knocking on heaven's door already. To me, this is a terrible message. Consider this for a moment: Thane is terminally ill, gets killed and people say he "went out like a boss" (which by the way, that saying is like nails on a chalkboard to me...no joke!) considering he was already dying. Then we have Mordin (assuming you don't have him live); in terms of relative age, he could be considered the oldest (salarians having rather short life spans). So again, someone who is "SAFE" to have die. Lastly, Legion. No matter how much you might like him, many (and the popularity of Destroy sort of implies this) will still not see him in the same manner as a living creature. Whether right or wrong, it doesn't matter. It is still pretty natural to "get over" a character like Legion (geth and machine). So here are three EASY deaths. Still get to make the tough boys get a bit misty, but they don't have to really feel bad.....and they sure as hell are not going to feel truly sad or depressed over these particular deaths. And this is who bw is catering to. They want to have grimdark, but EASY grimdark (except maybe the ending...LOL).

BTW, I am not suggesting that they try and punch everyone in the gut with killing off a bunch of favorite characters, but this is what it means having a forced grimdark storyline, for the sake of simply being grimdark. Pathetic. Just my .02.

[mnomaha]

Grimdark....grimdark..you know, this word is really growing on me.

As for Drogo's boo-boo, at least he didn't deliberately run into it. and technically, it's her fault for making him see the witch. Dragon chick or not, that was totally uncool.

*sigh* I feel apathy coming on...

[Askeebe]

@giftfish - great WTF list. Okay, I'm a bit late to the party.

As to the grimdark in SF lately, I agree. The one that's getting to me is "The Walking Dead". Loved the first two seasons, but this one is just almost impossible for me to get through. I'm five episodes behind, and about to chuck it because it's too depressing to watch anymore. Even the still living humans are acting more like monsters than the actual zombie monsters.

But I don't have the same problem with Song Of Ice and Fire. To me, it feels almost like a historical fictional account. People die unexpectedly. Other people do crazy things, like Joffrey killing Ned Stark instead of doing the expected thing and sending him to the Wall, thus precipitating the War of the Five Kings. (Um, hope I didn't spoil anyone there.)

[bananflugan14]

mnomaha wrote...

Wow, I quit reading the X-men when they let Magneto rip the adamantium out of Logan. I didn't realise he was even still around.

Oh yeah, Khal Drogo, yummeh...

Out of the loop here and probably responding way to late buuuut have you seen him (the actor that plays Drogo) in Stargate atlantis? 

Very sexy fellah idd Just had to point that out as well

[mnomaha]

He was also Conan in the new Conan movie.

[Sable Rhapsody]

mnomaha wrote...

He was also Conan in the new Conan movie.

Jason Momoa is a sexy, sexy human being.  

disc0nnect7 wrote...
My favorite actor in Game Of Thrones is Kit Harington, who plays Jon Snow [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie] Mmmm I love me some emo boy. 

I've fallen in love with Peter Dinklage's portrayal of Tyrion.  He is so much winsauce.  Ian Glen as Jorah Mormont has also grown on me, which is weird because I loathed that character in the books.

[CroGamer002]

mnomaha wrote...

Drago or something like that. The man was a full hottie!

He's from, where?

[disc0nnect7]

I suddenly am interested in seeing the new Conan movie, huh imagine that...

Peter Dinklage is just flawless as Tyrion, I couldn't imagine anyone else in that role. Although he is considerably better looking than his character is described in the books. Ian Glen is very good as Jorah, I was very "meh" about him in the books. Emilia Clarke is very pretty and looks the part of Daenarys, but I think you can tell she's a bit new to acting. Really liked Sean Bean as Ned too, oh Ned :'(

Modifié par disc0nnect7, 28 février 2013 - 08:40 .

[disc0nnect7]

Mesina2 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

Drago or something like that. The man was a full hottie!

He's from, where?

Khal Drogo, from season one of HBO's Game of Thrones, aka A Song of Ice and Fire book series.

[LoonySpectre]

Did anyone try to contact Keythe Farley and ask him whether he recorded any voicework for the DLC?
(I haven't read the entire discussion of the last few days, so if someone already answered it, I'll be glad to be pointed to that).
Also, what's that "WTF list of ME3"?

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 28 février 2013 - 09:11 .

[Stilographium]

coldwetn0se wrote...
I have a problem with Thane's death for a number of reasons, but one that isn't brought up often enough is the fact that his "illness" made him easier to kill off. They could get their "emotional" impact, but at the expense of someone who was nearly knocking on heaven's door already. To me, this is a terrible message. Consider this for a moment: Thane is terminally ill, gets killed and people say he "went out like a boss" (which by the way, that saying is like nails on a chalkboard to me...no joke!) considering he was already dying. Then we have Mordin (assuming you don't have him live); in terms of relative age, he could be considered the oldest (salarians having rather short life spans). So again, someone who is "SAFE" to have die. Lastly, Legion. No matter how much you might like him, many (and the popularity of Destroy sort of implies this) will still not see him in the same manner as a living creature. Whether right or wrong, it doesn't matter. It is still pretty natural to "get over" a character like Legion (geth and machine). So here are three EASY deaths. Still get to make the tough boys get a bit misty, but they don't have to really feel bad.....and they sure as hell are not going to feel truly sad or depressed over these particular deaths. And this is who bw is catering to. They want to have grimdark, but EASY grimdark (except maybe the ending...LOL).

I 100% agree. Though Mordin's death was anything but easy to me, BW could always argue that "he was old, you knew he would die soon anyway." What made Mordin's death more bearable to me was the fact that his death was actually meaningful, people mourned him and he could be saved if you played your cards right in ME1 & 2; not the fact that he was old. Legion, then... I'm one of those people who don't really see geth as living creatures, so Legion's death wasn't such a big deal for me. So yeah, that was an "easy death". Then we also have Anderson: another old man who is safe to kill off. I don't know who they should have killed to make each player experience a somewhat equal emotional impact; I just know that only one of the deaths was handled well (Mordin), one of them ruined the game for me (Thane), and the rest I didn't give a crap about.


@LoonySpectre Some people have posted on Farley's facebook page asking about that, but he hasn't answered.
As for the WTF list, check out the new Character Spotlight (by giftfish) about Thane on Cosmic Love. It is an accurate list indeed!

Modifié par Stilographium, 28 février 2013 - 11:34 .

[Thrazesul]

Sounds like I need to start up Stargate Atlantis soon then... if he's there too. xD

At least my favorite characters from Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim stays alive. You know, because we can CHOSE.

As for safe characters, I see the points you bring up actually. Thane was dying, Mordin was old...
I'm not sure what I should class Nyreen as...

Imagine the reactions if Wrex or... Aria... hell, Joker, had died with NO choice. Good lord, the screaming.

Doesn't beat the fact that Thane is still the only LI to die permanently. What a slap in the face.

Man I love being a guinea pig for them...

[LoonySpectre]

Thane in ME3 was used largely as a plot device to establish our hate against Kai Leng, that's all. Like in the old-school Chinese kung fu movies where the villain takes down the protagonist's elderly teacher or good friend (Thane falls somewhere in between, because he's a friend/lover, but physically frail, like an older man).
The battle proper was poorly executed though, seemingly because of engine limitations and lack of budget/time/care to render a CGI cutscene with better... um... choreography. If we saw a really awesome fight where Leng gets his ass thoroughly kicked and only wins when Thane gets too tired to continue, and Shepard/squaddies can't join the fight because of some reason, however stupid (for instance, Thane giving Kai Leng a beatdown, throwing him down a large flight of stairs and telling Shepard to get the Councilor to safety, and then, after they walk far enough away, Leng re-emerging from the downstairs and attacking Thane).
Saying that... what if the Citadel DLC will really give us this proper Thane/Leng fight CGI cutscene? This is, of course, not saving him, but at least the death will look not SO stupid as it does now.

[Thrazesul]

I doubt the dlc will fix that, since it's been said that it won't change *anything* beyond the dlc. =/

[Stilographium]

Thrazesul wrote...

I doubt the dlc will fix that, since it's been said that it won't change *anything* beyond the dlc. =/

Yep... It seems that everything we can expect is some kind of holo vid or letter from Thane, and our squadmates saying a word or two about him. But I don't want that. I don't want to be reminded that he is dead. I think it might be even more painful than knowing that there will be nothing Thane related at all. Like we'd get to see him die again.


So, I've been wondering. If or when this DLC doesn't present a chance to save Thane, what are you guys going to do? Will you be done with the series and/or with BW? Are you still going to keep hanging around in this thread? I know I'll be heartbroken if Thane stays dead, and I'll probably swear not to touch anything BW related ever again, but I'd be happy to know there will still be someone in here, raging and mourning and posting dirty pics of Thane, lol. Even though I've been hanging around here only a few months, I've enjoyed reading you guys' thoughts and discussing with you, and it'd be weird if you all just disappeared. I don't know how often I will post here, myself, after the release of the DLC, but visiting this thread has become an everyday habit for me that won't probably go away anytime soon.