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[Hisilome]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Hisilome wrote...
LotR remains my personal benchmark for epic fantasy, hehe, so a bit biased there, perhaps! 

Same here.  Nothing else comes close in terms of worldbuilding.  

Yep, indeed!! I was just rereading the book a few days ago; somehow, though I know it by heart by now, I always go back to read it again, because well...it takes me to Middle Earth and I like being there!

And aye, they killed Kurt two years or so ago; HIS death, unlike Thane, was done beautifully-even if I cried like a baby and actually got tear stains on my comicbook,lol-and it made sense, it did right by Nightcrawler as we knew him! Still hurts, though-aaand you know I wish Jean was back already, Thraz!! *prepares to dodge incoming projectiles*Jokes aside, her coming back might have spared us some really BAD story arcs over the last years!!*sigh*

Mnomaha...Magneto is one of the X-Men now!!!O.o

I think, to get back on topic here, and to answer your question, dear Stilographium(awesome name, btw:D), no matter what the dlc brings, we'll be here, hehe; hanging out in this thread, chatting about ME3 and our fave character-aaand getting sidetracked a bit as well, hehe, now and then-and of course, pics of Thane are a must, no questioning that!! Personally, I like the people in here and I feel several close to my heart, so yep, not going anywhere!

PS: I want Joffrey's head on a pike too-and maybe a bit of a spoiler, but do read Dance with Dragons-we kind of get our wish!!

Modifié par Hisilome, 28 février 2013 - 05:20 .

[Thrazesul]

(No comment about Phoenix, the only way I'll ever like her, is if she resurrects Kurt)

While I'm not "over" Thane's death, it doesn't sting quite as much now as it did in the start. So seeing no Thane at all in the dlc probably won't be a news flash or even affect me. BUT... it will definitely affect my thoughts towards Bioware! Mass Effect 3 will forever be a big disappointment to me and it's not a game I will speak fondly of with others. It's not even all about Thane anymore! It's how Bioware went a step backwards in ME3 regarding LI equality. How they just decided to slap several fan bases in the face...

To be honest I think it'd hurt a company more if you're disappointed in them than angry. If I've done something I'm proud of and then hear from a lot of people that they're just sad and disappointed over what I did... I'd feel a lot worse than if they threw a fit over it. It's easier to discard anger as "trolls" and "entitled whiners" than right out disappointment.

This is not counting the obvious and first way; don't give them your money again ever.

I hope the thread stays around but there's only so much you can talk about to keep it on topic. When this dlc launches there's no longer a point in asking for a cure/better writing. =/ It'll be the end of Thane and Shepard's story. There's discussing Thane from ME2 and generally go through what happened to him in ME3. But personally I hyped around Thane since 8 months before ME2 was even released...

Good lord, the hopes one had back then. ._.

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be many others rpgs, if any, that offers the same things that Bioware does. I hope DA3 hasn't been affected by whatever happened to ME3, even so, no way I dare to buy DA3 straight off.

Sorry about all my rants.

Modifié par Thrazesul, 28 février 2013 - 06:19 .

[Renmiri1]

The DA devs seem cut from a different cloth. They don't just ban romance or IT topics from forums and actually post on the DA3 forum quite often

[mnomaha]

I can tell you the enders are less than pleased that the ending won't be address further by this dlc.

[coldwetn0se]

Stilographium wrote...

Thrazesul wrote...

I doubt the dlc will fix that, since it's been said that it won't change *anything* beyond the dlc. =/

Yep... It seems that everything we can expect is some kind of holo vid or letter from Thane, and our squadmates saying a word or two about him. But I don't want that. I don't want to be reminded that he is dead. I think it might be even more painful than knowing that there will be nothing Thane related at all. Like we'd get to see him die again.


So, I've been wondering. If or when this DLC doesn't present a chance to save Thane, what are you guys going to do? Will you be done with the series and/or with BW? Are you still going to keep hanging around in this thread? I know I'll be heartbroken if Thane stays dead, and I'll probably swear not to touch anything BW related ever again, but I'd be happy to know there will still be someone in here, raging and mourning and posting dirty pics of Thane, lol. Even though I've been hanging around here only a few months, I've enjoyed reading you guys' thoughts and discussing with you, and it'd be weird if you all just disappeared. I don't know how often I will post here, myself, after the release of the DLC, but visiting this thread has become an everyday habit for me that won't probably go away anytime soon.

This is a question I too have been pondering.   Here is the scenario I would need to jump back into the trilogy (mind you, I specifically say "trilogy" because as it currently stands in my little world, this is merely a game and its sequel - ME and ME2 - especially since I never finished me3 to begin with):

1) This DLC would have to have a way to prevent Thane's death, and allow him to live through the trilogy.  Cure, no cure, I really don't care at this point, just a "choice" for not being dead.

2) Believe it or not, his life alone is enough for me, at this point.  But, since he was a very legitimate LI in ME2, I would hope for romance content.  A reaffirmation of the LI of choice.

What would this mean then?  I would still find me3 a mess...I would still feel disconnected with the Shepards I role played and molded in the first two games. I would still hate the damn glitches/bugs/graphic kaflooeys (is that a word??). I would still loathe the damnable Journal.  I would still find the all-in-one-button anathema.  And I would find inconsistencies with the story banal at best.  Even with all that, I could probably make the trilogy "work".  If I found a way to do it well enough, then I would probably repurchase the trilogy for my new(ish) mediocre gaming rig I got last summer (just like I did with DA...rebuying the games + DLC for the PC, since I started playing them on the xbox).

But alas, I honestly do not believe this will come to pass.  So here is what most likely will happen.

1) I will take my copies of ME and ME2, and shelve them for a bit.  I still love these two games to pieces.  But I think a bit of distance is needed.  Time can be very good for healing.  The other benefit is possibly finishing my own idea(s) for how it all ends after ME2.

2) I wasn't whistlin' dixie about turning my CE of me3 into "Outsider" art.  Will post pictures when done.

Lastly, regarding bw in general, and the Thane thread: I will most likely go back to how I used to buy games...no preorder. I do see myself buying DA:I (or wuteva they end up calling it), but won't pre-order.....just like the two prior).  Going into games with my eyes wide open is probably for the best.

I will still pop into the Thane thread....love the Drellickers, and want to keep up on new Thane art and fics. But I may not post as much as I once did (hell, I started slowing down a bit since last fall).

Now that everyone has a copy of my BSN/ME "Schedule", you can all rest easy....
j/k

[Maera Imrov]

mnomaha wrote...

Skyrim is great when it doesn't crash on me. Stupid new DLC.

I'm going woefully offtopic, but maybe this will assist anyway, since I can't do anything about our surely upcoming Thane-related disappointment maybe I can do something for someone:

I had a few CTD after Dragonborn, but they went away after I did a few things. I haven't had a CTD in about 30 game hours: 1. Cleaned out all mod related things and reinstalled them all. 2. Cleaned Dragonborn/Dawnguard/Hearthfires and started using BOSS. Also, Unofficial patches for *all* DLC and Skyrim. My money is on the latter one that did the most, but a complete wipe of your scripts/meshes/textures folder and a total mods reinstall could always help.

I'm not sure if you even really use mods though, so I'll start with number two. And if these are things you've tried, then feel free to bop me on the head. For starters, get the Unofficial Patches. Not just Dragonborn, but the entire 'set'. (You only need a DLC's Unofficial patch if you have it, but if you do, get it.) They're all published by Arthmoor on the Steam Workshop and probably the same on the Nexus. If you don't use Bethesda's HD Resolution packs you can skip the Unofficial HD patch, otherwise get it, too. Next, download BOSS for Skyrim. I'm fairly certain it's on the Nexus. If not, it's easy to find the thread for it on the Bethesda Skyrim mods forum. Run it and let it move your load order around. For the vast majority of cases it puts everything in a state that will keep it from conflicting and having issues. Only once have I had to sort a mod by hand from where it put it, and that's because of a face color bug with some NPCs, nothing major. It will also give you handy notes about mods that need to be cleaned or updated for whatever reason.

BOSS will tell you that Update, Dawnguard, Hearthfires, and Dragonborn have some number of dirty edits and need to be cleaned with TES5Edit, with a link to a guide on how to do it. I was a total noob at it, and found it easy to follow. So, download TES5Edit (again I believe it's on Nexus, and if not, the Skyrim mods forum will have a going thread on it, usually on the first page or two) and follow the steps to clean those DLC plugins. It will make back ups for you, so no worries about that. (Note here: These 'cleaned' plug ins will show up as 'failed to validate' to Steam if you ever do the Verify Game Cache thing, so what I do to avoid having to reclean if I have to verify cache is move the 'cleaned' files out, restore the backups to their proper place and rename them back normal by taking the .backup.randomnumbers off, run the Verify. Afterward, I move the uncleaned plugins back to their back up folder and restore my cleaned ones. It's a bit of work, but less annoying for me than running TES5Edit when I need to verify.)

That should fix the vast majority of your issues, it certainly did for me. If you added a uGridsToLoad=7 to your Skyrim.ini, then...well, Dragonborn is notoriously unstable with that setting even on beefy rigs. If you didn't add this, don't worry about it. By default this line isn't even in the .ini and the game uses a default setting of 5. If you did change it, there are threads on how to safely revert your save down from it, but I don't have any links at hand. I know you can't just change it though. I believe it involves going inside, saving, console entries and ini edits to revert it safely. A Google search would tell you, I'm sure. I never mess with the .ini beyond shadows and minor things.

/woefully off topic


I shelved my ME and ME2 right after ME3. I've tried a couple of times to play them again, but I can't even manage to hit 'install' before I think, "What's the point? It's all for nothing and since I refuse to play 3, my Shepard's story is forever dangling at 2's end."

Modifié par Maera Imrov, 28 février 2013 - 07:57 .

[Renmiri1]

coldi weren't you an Anders fan too ?

[Vlk3]

I'm propably going to stay here for a while, but in order to move on I will have to leave BSN forums and just try to forget. So maybe I'll be there for about a month after release of this DLC and then if I  come to this forums it would be to visit multiplayer section.

Modifié par Vlk3, 28 février 2013 - 09:15 .

[Seifer006]

Renmiri1 wrote...

coldi weren't you an Anders fan too ?

**** anderson!

There's only THE Hackett! And he carries a bad**** WAR SCAR

[DineBoo]

This was supposedly posted in the Cortez group by Dusy:

"Well, obviously we can't have zombie-Thane running around, but there is a small amount of content that only Thane romancers will see."

Two issues with this:

-First of all, why was this posted to the Cortez group and not a place where Thanemancers could see it.
-Secondly, small amount of content? So a holovid? If that's it why Liara fans gets kids that just shows BW unequal treatment of characters.

As for sticking around? I might lurk from time to time after the DLC, but I got other stuff to put my attention to. Like games that actually treat me right.

[Twilight_Princess]

Vlk3 wrote...

I'm propably going to stay here for a while, but in order to move on I will have to leave BSN forums and just try to forget. So maybe I'll be there for about a month after release of this DLC and then if I will come to this forums it would be to visit multiplayer section.

Ah the MP, I haven't played it in months. Would like to again actually, anyone play xbawx?  I'd like to add some thane fans to my friends list  and be decent at it again LOL.

also read a disrespectful quote about Thane's appearance from dusty


"Well, obviously we can't have zombie-Thane running around, but there is a small amount of content that only Thane romancers will see."

.......I don't know what to say. Thanks BW. Thanemancers were already treated badly but don't worry they get a small amount of content to make up for it. 

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 28 février 2013 - 09:22 .

[Vlk3]

It's a fact- Thane dies in BioWare's game and I will have to delete my canon Shep. She will never see that. This is just sick.

[DineBoo]

@Hyrule Gal: Add me! I'm DineBoo on Xbox. I haven't been on the XBox in months though...

And that quote is just ugh. Like I said, Thanemancers getting a short holovid while Liara gets kids will be seriously jacked up.

[Twilight_Princess]

DineBoo wrote...

@Hyrule Gal: Add me! I'm DineBoo on Xbox. I haven't been on the XBox in months though...

And that quote is just ugh. Like I said, Thanemancers getting a short holovid while Liara gets kids will be seriously jacked up.

 
LOL we can suck at it together! Mine's just
Hyrulegal  



Also yeah that quote ...wow. They really don't care. Not even an attempt to sound like his fans matter. Could you imagine that with the other members of the ME2 cast?



"Well we thought you liked that dance with Jack! LOLZ. Don't worry there's a small amount of Jack content for the
romancers"



That would have gone down like a lead balloon. I feel so disappointed and annoyed that I was hopeful for something substantial.  God dammit.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 28 février 2013 - 09:31 .

[Thrazesul]

LOL

Just... wow. Really wow.

They couldn't even post that somewhere relevant to US?!

Man, we aren't fans to them, we're just some pile of crap to throw in a corner...

I just realised how much ME3 favorism there is. I've been so blind. Been on the other side of that coin before RL and hah... just... dsfsdopfsd¨.

Modifié par Thrazesul, 28 février 2013 - 09:36 .

[Vlk3]

If anyone seeks someone to play ME3 on PC, you can add me: Vlk3 (there is "L" in the middle, not "i")

[coldwetn0se]

I feel the need for a bit of clarification, and hopefully, @mnomaha won't be upset with me. Figured since the cat is out of the bag, I might as well.....

The quote found in the Cortez group, was based on an exchange between @mnomaha and Dusty (btw, she hangs out in the Cortez group, so that is the reasons for this showing up there). It looks as though @mnomaha's part of the convo was not posted. In a nutshell though, Dusty was responding to Shell's concerns relating to JM's tweets about Thane's role in the DLC is "Spoilery". I will let Shell post the convo, if she so chooses.

It of course, does not bode well for Thane fans. As stated earlier, I know what would get me to buy the DLC (and any other ME related products), and this will probably not be it. Anyway....have fun with MP guys. I have never played MP once, and doubt I ever will....and shortly, I won't be able to....*me3 outsider art project*......LOL XD

[Vlk3]

I've seen the context of these words. I don't think Dusty Everman meant to be mean with that 'zombi- Thane'. It seems they just don't understand that some romance exclusive coontent after Thane's death or at his deathbed will not make anyone happy. I will not be happy if I see anything Thane related, unless it's 'Thane lives' scenario. They think they can throw us a bone with some cheesy lines Thane's new writer wrote on his knee and that we will be happy, because they gave us something. This is so lame... I hope that most of the Thanemancers won't bother buying this, because it's a clear insult to us. Real Thane was in ME2, written by someone who cared for his character. Though I'm afraidChris L'Etoile is the one to blame for Thane's illness, I bet he didn't want it to end this way.

Modifié par Vlk3, 28 février 2013 - 10:05 .

[wildannie]

Well, that doesn't sound good... There is not even the slightest chance I'll be buying this DLC, I couldn't give a flying **** about getting some consoling words or more Thane memorial crap lol.

I'll just be freeing up some space on my console. I will hold onto my original ME save with Kaidan as LI and take her through ME2 again at some point - I won't recruit Thane as that would just ****** me off and if that goes okay I'll take her into ME3.

RE yesterday's talk on Game of Thrones - I love it (books and TV) and for me the deaths all make sense (particularly in the context of the book series to date). The darkness doesn't bother me as I'm a spectator. I get much more involved in an RPG as I am (meant to be) choosing what happens. BW have treated Thane fans as a joke and I'm going to stand by my aim to give them as little of my hard earned cash as I can. I'll be waiting for a price drop on DA: I (pc) or going 2nd hand for the console.

@coldi I was toying around the idea of filming a huge metal mallet smashing my ME3 collectors edition (My dad has just the thing in his garage) and then mounting the results on canvas. I may still do that.

[coldwetn0se]

Oh, I am right there with you sister. Again, Thane still dying/dead....NO BUY. Adding something specific after the fact, for those that romanced him means nothing. They gave us nonsensical dialogue for 3-4 minutes at Huerta's, a tacked on make-out scene (with, as I understand it, a re-skin of the Jack + Shep makeout scene from Grissom academy). Throw in his shoehorned involvement during the coup, with a face-palm worthy choreographed fight scene, the lack of any emotion or help for him after being stabbed, and a death scene that is basically identical to a non-romanced Shep and Thane. And again...."stone-faced" Shep is who we get.

Nope...can't ever watch that crap again, without a true reprieve....and that ain't happening. No buy!

[Thrazesul]

Haha, I was actually annoyed when I replayed the coup, when I couldn't just skip the god damn dying scene. Thank god the kai leng cutscene was skippable.

[coldwetn0se]

@wildannie - Brilliant! Maybe we should have a "share your art day" with repurposed copies of me3.....LOL

@Renmiri - Sorry, missed your earlier post. Actually, I'm a Fenris fan, who just so happened to romance Anders (and Isabella, for that matter) a few times. I like rping different PC's, and that means changing up the LI now and again. But for most series I get into, I still have my favorite(s).

ME was a surprise, since I only ever connected with Thane. Tried the Kaidan romance in ME1, *shrug*. Thought about doing Jacob, till SleazeShep took over (ACK!). And Garrus just never interested me romantically. Though, I know myself, had everything turned out well for my favorite, I would have eventually tried some of the others all the way through the series.

I usually just turn to my M!Sheps for trying out other romances in ME and ME2. Still won't take them into me3 either though...nope.

[Hisilome]

Well, it'll still be nice to hang out here and talk to one another now and then even if the dlc disappoints us-which seems all the more possible with each passing day driving towards it, I have to admit!:/

That statement above about small content-and the really not too good joke about Thane- was made by a dev, I am being told right now-thank you, Thraz! Well, if we're getting a holovid or a letter or a funeral, they can count my money out, that's for sure!! We don't need more heartache!!!

And really, this disregard of a portion of their fans and the blatant favouritism towards other groups of fans-do I need to be specific?I think not!-is unacceptable!!!:/

I am so with you, Wildannie, I was a stalwart fan of their games so far; I would buy them solely on seeing the company name, because I knew the name meant a solid, fun, amazing game I would surely love! But no more!! This attitude, this utter disregard they've shown for their fans ever since ME3 was released last year, means my trust in them is pretty much shot!!And fix what they will, I think a large part of the fanbase will still feel that way!!

And aye, the deaths in GoT do make sense; in terms of the TV show, I would have been a lot more upset if the books were broken and certain chars who were supposed to die, wound up not. Because their demise makes perfect sense in the scheme of the story and so has to happen for it to move forward!!

PS: I did restart ME3; I am right before the coup and I can't bring myself to turn on my console and play...because I can't bear to revisit Thane's death, even with my 'just friends' Shepard!!:/

Modifié par Hisilome, 28 février 2013 - 10:30 .

[Stilographium]

Huh.

So... at least now we know not to hope anymore.

It's funny... Did they honestly think that a "small amount of content" that doesn't even involve Thane alive would be enough for Thanemancers to buy this DLC? Or were they hoping they could fool us into buying it with all that "complicated and spoilery" talk? Wow... the nerve of these guys.

I still can't help but feel a little curious about what kind of content we will be having. A holovid? A flashback? Kolyat? I don't know if I will play to find out -- it probably won't be anything good anyway, because we know who has written it.

I have pretty mixed feelings right now. On the other hand, I'm relieved that all the waiting and guessing is over. I am now free to forget about the whole ME3 mess and create my own headcanons for Thane and Shepard. Then again, I feel like I will need to see this "small amount of content" before I can truly let go.



Well, anyway, I'm glad to hear at least some of you guys are sticking around. =) I don't regret a second spent in here, or in the other threads arguing with 'youknewhewasdying's. I feel like I've learned a lot about storytelling and character arcs from the discussions Thane's treatment has aroused, and I swear to Arashu, if I ever write about a dying character (apart from Thane fics), I won't treat them the same way BW treated Thane. So maybe something good came out of all this, after all. *desperately trying to stay positive*

[Vlk3]

The way BioWare treated us, reminds me of some events in my life I really didn't want to recall. There were people who treated me like sh*t for no good reason. And this is the day I must add BioWare to that list.

Thane's death in ME3 is illogical due to his character development from ME3 and available treatments in ME Universe. They can't explain what they did to us. There was no reason to kill Thane without an option to save him.

Modifié par Vlk3, 28 février 2013 - 10:53 .