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[LoonySpectre]

after seeing those videos, my Shep would have marched into Anderson's and Hackett's office and raised holy hell.

Still, Liara is kinda closer to raise holy hell. I know that it's another "writing oversight", but it's impossible that the Shadow Broker's agents missed all Thane's correspondence to Shepard. They have fished out an unsent love letter from Normandy's computer network, but failed to obtain all the video, text and paper letters sent through open channels? IM-POS-SI-BLE.

[Roxy]

Stilographium wrote...

Thank you for those three of you who sent me a PM! Love you guys. I just registered on the forum.

I didn't sleep well and when I woke up I was still shocked about what we got in the DLC lol and I need to go to school soon, but after that I'll be venting in that forum (which has a cool name!) like there is no tomorrow.

About modding the game, I'd be very happy if someone made a "Thane stays alive" mod even though I play on PS3. To know such a mod exists would give me some kind of peace of mind.

I agree!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but we're taking writing that we KNOW is poor concerning the transition between ME2 and ME3, and blaming Hackett, Liara, and Anderson for it?

It's not their fault that there are huge plot holes in ME3. It's not like they marched out of the screen, into the BioWare offices, and burned cigarette holes in the game or anything  I headcanoned it as less than 2 months between Shep being brigged and the Reapers invading, and that didn't contradict the stuff in game too badly.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 07 mars 2013 - 08:30 .

[LoonySpectre]

By the way, those videos from Citadel DLC can be very useful for such mod. Like, after the Palaven mission, Liara comes to Shepard and says "I have something to show you", and then Shepard watches these vids from Thane in Liara's room, which leads to a very different exchange between Shepard and Thane in Huerta, where she practically forces Thane to undergo lung transplantation (with success depending on several sidequests and decisions, like, if Chakwas was left in Huerta, it gives more "points" than Michelle).
He could even still take part in the Cerberus coup mission (assuming that the Tuchanka story arc is month or so long) - sniping some Cerberus troops on Shepard's way with a Raptor stolen from some Nemesis he killed in the Huerta, and then, in the mission's climax, putting a nice red dot on Kai Leng's chest during the standoff, causing him to flee. After that, because of overexerting himself during the mission, Thane could stay at Huerta for further recuperation and be either available for some dialogue or sending letters. And, of course, get his Normandy scene somewhere after Thessia or Horizon.

[Sable Rhapsody]

It's not as simple as taking cinematics from a piece of DLC and inserting them into a mod. MEHEM was made using the fan-made ME3Explorer tools, which are quite limited in scope. Fob used a lot of footage folks hadn't seen before for MEHEM, but that was largely low-EMS Destroy footage. Footage clips that weren't from the EC itself were much shorter and more limited in scope.

Currently with ME3Explorer, you can only insert cinematics where cinematics already exist in-game, and you can't exceed a certain limit or the game crashes. You can make some changes to gameplay material, but again, that's usually limited to model swaps and dialogue changes (which then don't map to the lip sync or animations properly).

Long story short: unless the modding tools we have take a huge jump forward, we can't make Thane "live" or interact in any meaningful way.  But we can potentially negate his death.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 07 mars 2013 - 08:44 .

[LoonySpectre]

I know the technical limitations, but plot-wise, these videos are quite useful.

[JECW]

If someone managed to make some kind of mod for Thane I would love that.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I just don't want you guys to get your hopes up like for Citadel I want to be clear on what we can expect if someone cobbles together a mod using ME3Explorer. Not sure if Fob has the time or the desire to work on such an undertaking, though he can probably provide pointers after MEHEM.

[mnomaha]

@Sable...yes....because...reasons. LOL I've been mad at Hackett since last March.

Yes, please make us a mod!!!

And the main reason I am here...this f*cking dlc just NOW finished downloading. Really, just freaking now. Gotta love that Origin client, aye?

[JECW]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I just don't want you guys to get your hopes up like for Citadel I want to be clear on what we can expect if someone cobbles together a mod using ME3Explorer. Not sure if Fob has the time or the desire to work on such an undertaking, though he can probably provide pointers after MEHEM.

That's why I said if. I don't think anyone has their hopes high.
You don't have to worry. We won't have a nervous break down if it doesn't work.
If someone can do something great. If they can't then they can't.

[Sable Rhapsody]

mnomaha wrote...
 I've been mad at Hackett since last March.

Was I the only one who found Hackett kind of sexy in a silver fox way?  I did also kind of want to bang TIM back in ME2.  I might have a problem 

[BeanieBat]

I would definitely be interested in a mod that could alter the content in ME3. Anything that could make more sense of Thane's character arc/let us avoid the ridiculous conversation points and not have Shep say she was there to see the VS!

Modifié par BeanieBat, 07 mars 2013 - 09:55 .

[Vlk3]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

mnomaha wrote...
 I've been mad at Hackett since last March.

Was I the only one who found Hackett kind of sexy in a silver fox way?  I did also kind of want to bang TIM back in ME2.  I might have a problem 

HAckett was more like an unle or even father for my Shep. But, TIM ... I must admit, he has that something...

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The SaveThane Mod- I'll post my thoughts on it later. It's the only hope right now.

[Renmiri1]

LoonySpectre wrote...

By the way, those videos from Citadel DLC can be very useful for such mod. Like, after the Palaven mission, Liara comes to Shepard and says "I have something to show you", and then Shepard watches these vids from Thane in Liara's room,

This seems very doable right now with the tools we have

LoonySpectre wrote...
which leads to a very different exchange between Shepard and Thane in Huerta,

I was planning on "stealing" the ghost Thane convo and bringing it to Huerta

LoonySpectre wrote...

where she practically forces Thane to undergo lung transplantation (with success depending on several sidequests and decisions, like, if Chakwas was left in Huerta, it gives more "points" than Michelle).
He could even still take part in the Cerberus coup mission (assuming that the Tuchanka story arc is month or so long) - sniping some Cerberus troops on Shepard's way with a Raptor stolen from some Nemesis he killed in the Huerta, and then, in the mission's climax, putting a nice red dot on Kai Leng's chest during the standoff, causing him to flee.

way beyond what we can do right now.. we would need voice acting too :/

LoonySpectre wrote...

After that, because of overexerting himself during the mission, Thane could stay at Huerta for further recuperation and be either available for some dialogue or sending letters. And, of course, get his Normandy scene somewhere after Thessia or Horizon.

That seems doable

I don't think Mr Fob would have the time to do this though. I was thinking on me doing the easier parts, if i don't start a new job soon and don't get sidetracked -.- If anyone else wants to have a go, I'd be glad to help as well.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 07 mars 2013 - 04:17 .

[Renmiri1]

Thee is also Second Life Machinimia...

[JECW]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

mnomaha wrote...
 I've been mad at Hackett since last March.

Was I the only one who found Hackett kind of sexy in a silver fox way?  I did also kind of want to bang TIM back in ME2.  I might have a problem 

Hackett looks like someone's grandfather so I don't get that one.
TIM I do get. I actually liked him before he went completely crazy in ME3.

[Renmiri1]

I've always had a sweet spot for Duncan from DAO. My mage would have totally jumped him when she showed him to his room

[coldwetn0se]

@Renmiri - if you (or anone else with the skills/tools) could do some of these things, that is fantastic. However, I think I should clarify (or specify) what @giftfish and I were discussing as far as mod options for Thane.

The very, very little I know or understand about how this game is designed, we were thinking about exploits we might be able to utilize. For example, to negate Thanes death, utilize the fact the even with an import with a loyal, romanced Thane, if you don't speak to him before the coup then it will default to Kirahee dying or the Councilor dying (if Kirahee isn't alive in your import). The exploit would come in such a manner that we COULD still talk to him before the coup (it maybe crappy dialogue, but I would still want to see him at least a little in the game), but then it would revert (?) back to the settings as though you didn't speak to him, by the time the coup comes around. Thus, Kirahee or the councilor dies.

This would also make the convo with Garrus after the coup ("glad we didn't lose anyone..") make a lot more sense. From there, we look at having an ending made like the MEHEM, but with Thane (if possible) in one of the place holders. Hell, maybe they could even rehash the kiss, and have it NOT be in front of a giant window (preferable without extraneous...uhhh..."noises" *stoopid trampy Shep*). Lastly, if possible, just make sure his name isn't on the Memorial board, though truth be told, I can headcanon that he is put into a sort of Hanar witness protection (minus the "witness" part), so he has to be presumed dead.

The end result is that we do have to do a lot of headcanoning, BUT it will still look and play as though he lives through the game. Now, if someone is capable of doing something much grander, hooray! But I am unsure if it could be done, or done so that it would be more than just a machinima. (I am not against someone making a machinima, just looking at ways for people to play the game and have Thane live.)

**EDIT**
One last thing; a change in the final KL fight ("That's for Thane!"). We would need to have that line not trigger as well....unless we just want to headcanon that we say that due to the crap he pulls on the Coup, putting Thane and his son in danger....just in a general sense. Or hell, something even more dramatic like imagining he is going in for the transplant at or around the time of the coup....putting his life then literally at risk with the actions of KL and Cerberus. Okay, I'm just riffing here, but there it is.....

[LoonySpectre]

If KL kills Councilor or Kirrahe, Shepard doesn't say "That's for Thane". Problem solved?
As far as I recall, Shepard can say "That's for Thane", "for Kirrahe", "for Miranda", "for Thane and Miranda", "for Kirrahe and Miranda", and "Take that you son of a ****" if KL killed Councilor (either of them).

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 07 mars 2013 - 07:14 .

[RShara]

I'd be glad to help write any scripting if anyone thinks of a way/scenario to mod the game. I don't know how good my Thane voice is these days, but I'll take a stab at it.

[LoonySpectre]

Well, I don't know if it's technically feasible, but I'll try to repeat my take on the situation.
After Priority Palaven, Liara invites Shepard to the hacker's lair and shows him/her the three Citadel videos (and a fourth one to the Siha!Shep). Then Shepard meets Thane at Huerta and has an option to literally force him (through either Paragon or Renegade persuasion) to get a lung transplant, if he's loyal/romanced. Several fetch quests and decisions can be tied to this (like the outcome of Hanar Diplomat/Hanar Medigel missions, whether Michelle or Chakwas is on the Normandy, specific dialogue choices when speaking to Thane etc.); if you rush too much and force Thane to undergo the transplantation without obtaining a certain amount of "points", he can die, but if you do it right, he's transferred to the Inpatient wing to that room next to VS's for recuperation and temporarily unavailable for interaction.
During the Cerberus coup, the non-loyal Thane gets the same scene as in the vanilla game. Thane with a transplanted lung takes a different approach: he kills a Nemesis in the hospital (perhaps assisted by VS), takes her Raptor and snipes some Cerberus troops with it during Shepard's progress (as in the old "leaked script" mission). When it comes to the stand with Kai Leng, a red dot suddenly appears on KL's chest after his "Now it's fun", he gets a bullet from Thane who's sitting on some high perch, cloaks and flees. Thane then collapses from overexertion and is again sent to Huerta for further rest.
After that, Thane can send Shepard some letters and get quality time at the Normandy later in the game (after Thessia or Horizon), perhaps even transferring to Normandy permanently in some non-combat role and occupying his old Life Support room.

[coldwetn0se]

LoonySpectre wrote...

If KL kills Councilor or Kirrahe, Shepard doesn't say "That's for Thane". Problem solved?
As far as I recall, Shepard can say "That's for Thane", "for Kirrahe", "for Miranda", "for Thane and Miranda", "for Kirrahe and Miranda", and "Take that you son of a ****" if KL killed Councilor (either of them).

You are correct about that.  The only thing we would have to check, is if certain flags need to be removed there, just as the flag (btw, I'm using the term flag, because it is the only word I can think of that fits my meaning....forgive the armchair game designer here...lol) for you being able to have talked to Thane at Huerta but still have Kirahee or the councilor be the one dealing with KL during the coup.

As for all the rest you are suggesting, while I have no problem with it (and wished we had had that in the original game), as I understand it, this game isn't quite moddable in that way.  I could be completely wrong (like I said, not a game designer/dev at all), but unlike say DAO where you CAN add full on gameplay elements, I don't think we can in this game.  Even the MEHEM is more or less just an alternative cutscene.....no dialogue or gameplay/choices. That was why I was trying to keep it simple....just negating the death, and adding a similar cutscene at the end like the already fan-made MEHEM but with Thane as the focused LI.

Now if you are talking about building a machinima, all those elements (minus gameplay, since it would just be a "movie" so to speak) could probably be used.

[mnomaha]

And....since Keythe would never do it, Just A Benedictine on Tumblr might...

[Sable Rhapsody]

 Some very preliminary reactions to the DLC so far (I'm in the archives):

Extra content (ambient, Anderson's datapads, etc.): 
Squaddie interaction: 
Main plot: 
Replayability and variety: 
Lack of Thane: <_<

[Julia_xo]

I'm a console player so I couldn't use the mod but I support you guys if you decide to do it.

I really don't know how I feel about the DLC content for Thane. Surprisingly, I didn't outright hate it like I thought I might. It affected me a lot more than I thought it would. I go into more detail in the other thread. I wish things had turned out differently.