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[Apollo1450]

what about the end when harbinger released what seemed like a reaper from the collector base?



in my opinion it was probably there overseeing the construction of the human/reaper, but will now take steps to bring the fleet into the galaxy. and i'm hoping that it will succeed with at least bringing a handful in during the third game....i wanna see an epic battle with rachni and geth forces at my side....

[Quillan666]

I have a feeling that the effect on Haestrom's sun (the dark energy) is the Reapers siphoning off either energy or fuel to maintain themselves while out in darkspace. I'd expect that since they retreat into darkspace to avoid discovery until time for their return, it's probably so far out that they can't easily fly back using their own drives. That doesn't preclude them from having a back-up mass relay out there, though.



The Reapers have to know every mass relay that was in existence. While such a list may be accessible on the Citadel, the lack of ability to run it might well mean the current galactic civilizations don't know every relay. The Reapers could potentially return via another relay to some other location in the galaxy, but would then have lost the elements of surprise and the ability to decapitate the galactic government at a single stroke.



My thought is the Council and Cerberus will use the wreckage of the collector station/ships (or the intact station itself if you choose to preserve it) and try to upgrade their own technology in preparation. The Turians built the Thanix guns from studying the wreckage of Sovereign; how powerful do you think a dreadnought-sized version would be? It's quite possible that the major militaries could have vastly more powerful weaponry by the time the Reapers arrive.



Personally, my thought is that ME3 is going to involve the Reapers final contingency plan. I believe the Collectors targeting of humans is not necessarily due to Shepard's importance, but rather that human genetic diversity might make them the most easily altered race of the current galactic residents; they'd be the chosen race for the Reapers to preserve and modify into the Collectors for the next cycle of extinction and rebirth.

[GnusmasTHX]

Apollo1450 wrote...

what about the end when harbinger released what seemed like a reaper from the collector base?
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Do you actually think that the Collector cruiser looks anything like a Reaper?

[Tuttotus]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Apollo1450 wrote...

what about the end when harbinger released what seemed like a reaper from the collector base?
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Do you actually think that the Collector cruiser looks anything like a Reaper?

The very end when the station is about to blow or the EMP goes off. When the Collectors says" I release you".

Not the collector ship.

[GnusmasTHX]

Tuttotus wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Apollo1450 wrote...

what about the end when harbinger released what seemed like a reaper from the collector base?
.

Do you actually think that the Collector cruiser looks anything like a Reaper?

The very end when the station is about to blow or the EMP goes off. When the Collectors says" I release you".

Not the collector ship.

What are you talking about?

The only thing that leaves the Collector base is the Normandy, and a Collector cruiser. No Reapers come out of it.

Harbinger doesn't release anything but the Collector General. That's very poor and imprecise wording if you're talking about the hologram the General is looking at at the end. Even so, that hologram is of Harbinger, he doesn't release himself.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 03 février 2010 - 09:22 .

[BlackwindTheCommander]

It is possible that the Citadel Relay was merely for suprising the unsuspecting galaxy. You know, part of a shock and awe sort of thing. Nothing scarier than thousands of mechanical monsters appearing at the center of all culture in the galaxy.



I think they'd probably be able to get back to known space no problem. It would most likely be thier backup plan. I mean they had to have gotten out to Dark Space in the first place somehow.

[Darth_Ultima]

Harbinger says "Releasing control of this form." And then the hologram of the Reaper ship disappears.  Harbinger was never there.

Modifié par Darth_Ultima, 03 février 2010 - 09:43 .

[Apollo1450]

yea that hologram is what i was talking about, which is obviously a reaper...i get it now though...harbinger is a reaper who was controlling that collector....now it makes sense

[SunfighterG8]

I figured they just showed the galaxy as a whole because bioware knows the average person is stupid..and wed have topics asking what galaxy was that in the video?! Its bad enough we've already had one asking why the egyptians were not wiped out by the reapers...50,000 years ago...

[Tuttotus]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Tuttotus wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Apollo1450 wrote...

what about the end when harbinger released what seemed like a reaper from the collector base?
.

Do you actually think that the Collector cruiser looks anything like a Reaper?

The very end when the station is about to blow or the EMP goes off. When the Collectors says" I release you".

Not the collector ship.

What are you talking about?

The only thing that leaves the Collector base is the Normandy, and a Collector cruiser. No Reapers come out of it.

Harbinger doesn't release anything but the Collector General. That's very poor and imprecise wording if you're talking about the hologram the General is looking at at the end. Even so, that hologram is of Harbinger, he doesn't release himself.

Harbinger
Harbinger is a Reaper, and the real mastermind behind the Collector
General. His plans included the creation of a Human-Reaper hybrid. With
the use of advanced Reaper technology and the implants within each
Collector he is able to control the Collector General from Dark Space.
After Shepard destroys both the Collector General and the prototype
hybrid, Harbinger asserts that this is a temporary setback. It is last
seen awakening its fellow Reapers from hibernation.


http://en.wikipedia....llector_General





I hate using wikipedia as a resource. But the end ship is a Reaper.

Modifié par Tuttotus, 03 février 2010 - 09:55 .

[talbainx]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

It is possible that the Citadel Relay was merely for suprising the unsuspecting galaxy. You know, part of a shock and awe sort of thing. Nothing scarier than thousands of mechanical monsters appearing at the center of all culture in the galaxy.

I think they'd probably be able to get back to known space no problem. It would most likely be thier backup plan. I mean they had to have gotten out to Dark Space in the first place somehow.

When talking to Vigil in the first one, he does confirm that without activating the citadel, they are indeed trapped in dark space. That's why they sent Saren and Sovereign to do what they did in the first game, and also very likely why they were building a reaping in our galaxy.

Note that the mass relays are not all powerful. You can't jump from one end of the galaxy to the other without bouncing relays. With the universe being infinite, dark space is most likely to be completely out of reach unless the giant citadel relay gets active. And the reasons they went retreat to darkspace in the first place is that dormant reapers are vulnerable, so they don't wish to take the chance of being discovered by anyone,

Modifié par talbainx, 03 février 2010 - 09:58 .

[Spectreshadow]

I don't see how people were confused by this. It was very clear to me at the end of the game that Harbinger was with the other reapers in dark space remotely controlling the collector general. He releases him to show the viewer that he had been controlling the collectors the entire time.



Without a shortcut into the galaxy the reapers wouldn't make it very far as every civilization will be fully prepared to destroy them. Their plan A was Sovereign who failed, their plan B was the reaper human which failed and their plan C is some other way to get into the galaxy without physically traveling there. I will say they no longer have the element of surprise so they will have to have something epic to continue the cycle.

[Gill Kaiser]

I'm guessing that the Reapers have a means of inducing wormholes from afar.

[fogofeternity]

Spectreshadow wrote...
I will say they no longer have the element of surprise so they will have to have something epic to continue the cycle.

I dunno, it's still set up so that no large organization outside Cerberus is forced to admit their existence. It's still just Shepard and crew who've seen the Reapers, and no real suggestion that TIM is going to release info on the Collector base (if you saved it) - or if even that will be taken as proof of the Reapers and not just proof that Shepard defeated a "Collector threat" like he saved everyone from a purely "Geth threat" in ME1.

I can see a relatively large part of ME3 being a case of persuading all the races that *yes* the Reapers are real and *yes* the Reapers are coming. A persuasion that's more important than before.

Modifié par fogofeternity, 03 février 2010 - 10:14 .

[Tuttotus]

Spectreshadow wrote...

I don't see how people were confused by this. It was very clear to me at the end of the game that Harbinger was with the other reapers in dark space remotely controlling the collector general. He releases him to show the viewer that he had been controlling the collectors the entire time.

Without a shortcut into the galaxy the reapers wouldn't make it very far as every civilization will be fully prepared to destroy them. Their plan A was Sovereign who failed, their plan B was the reaper human which failed and their plan C is some other way to get into the galaxy without physically traveling there. I will say they no longer have the element of surprise so they will have to have something epic to continue the cycle.

This is my opinion only. But the Reaper who was a hologram at the Collector base is near, hiding. The Reaper that was in control of the Collector General. Once the Collectors failed, he called his buddies. I don't think that he could be in direct control so far away (think of the lag). But could send a message to the others when the crap hit the fan.


I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.

[mundus66]

Im got the feeling that the Geth will have something to do with the reapers return. I mean the technology used to age that sun, sounds like something only the reapers are capable of.

[Skilled Seeker]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

The Reapers don't want to give the civilisations of the galaxy centuries to prepare. They have a plan C, and the foreshadowing indicates it's something to do with dark energy.

Make that Plan D. Sovereign was Plan B and Collecters building a new Reaper to activate the relay was Plan C. Plan A was for the bugs on the Citadel (shame on me I forgot their names) to activate the relay themselves but they were sabotaged by the Protheans from Ilos.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 04 février 2010 - 12:17 .

[Sabre120]

You know whats illogical? The fact that you are being too logical. ITS A GAME, you can't base every single law of real life physics on something which is just pixels and programming, hence the Reapers are coming, they don't need the Citadel Relay, that just helps them take out Galactic government in one foul swoop. Also the Reapers have technology millions of years beyond our own, how do you know they require resources and such to perform such a maneuver? Also to Tuttotus, your theory has no logic, just because the main enemy is destroyed doesn't mean more threats incur. For instance, the Elder Scrolls Oblivion, Martin closes Oblivion and everyone is saved yay happy times, but 40 years onward and a floating city full of the undead invades Tamriel, you see? There can be threats to equal, or be even greater than the Reapers

[NoUserNameHere]

Dark. Energy. Wormhole.



I'm calling it.

[DarthCaine]

Harbinger: "We will find another way"

meaning they can't get out of dark space without someone activating the citadel

[fogofeternity]

Sabre120 wrote...

You know whats illogical? The fact that you are being too logical. ITS A GAME, you can't base every single law of real life physics on something which is just pixels and programming, hence the Reapers are coming, they don't need the Citadel Relay, that just helps them take out Galactic government in one foul swoop. Also the Reapers have technology millions of years beyond our own, how do you know they require resources and such to perform such a maneuver? Also to Tuttotus, your theory has no logic, just because the main enemy is destroyed doesn't mean more threats incur. For instance, the Elder Scrolls Oblivion, Martin closes Oblivion and everyone is saved yay happy times, but 40 years onward and a floating city full of the undead invades Tamriel, you see? There can be threats to equal, or be even greater than the Reapers

But it's a game that has its own coherent reality. If the Reapers can simply invade without any particular sacrifice, and can fly from dark space to Citadel space without the need for mass relays, then it undermines and devalues both the story of ME1 and ME2, and also the vast amounts of information about the galaxy in the Codex. Given BW have obviously spent a great deal of time developing this IP and providing as much background information as possible, it *is* logical to discuss matters based on the reality that they've created.

[deusofnull]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Geth. Dying sun. Dark Energy. Wormholes.

You think that suns is opening a wormhole?  Interesting.  I thought of it as a salvation, not a damnation.