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[MaxQuartiroli]

I moved this post with some modifications from another thread under suggestion of another user...

*** WATCH OUT... CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS ABOUT DAO CAMPAIGN !!!!! ***

After killing the archdemon we saw the Coronation Scene and then game make an authomatic saves which is called Post Campaign save.

This saves contains the choises you made in the whole game but is BEFORE your last dialogues options with king/queen and your old companions

These dialogues are really important because here you decided:

1) If you want to rebuild the Gray Wardens or if you decide to go away to travel the world
2) The desire you ask to the king (or queen) as reward
3) The dialogue lines with your companions, expecially with your beloved where you can decide if you will bring him/her with you or not...

These dialogues are really important to determine how your DAO game finish.. For example I decided to travel and obviously took with me Leliana when she asked if I wanted her with me...and as I played as human noble I asked they give back to me my family's properties 

So, I made all this dialogus choises then, just before go out from the castle to celebrations I made a manual save that I called "MY FINAL"

The question is:
how Awakening is going to deal with the Post Campaign save, and whether a save you make at the end of the Coronation Scene would import any differently ???

I can't believe that if you talk with Leliana/Zevran and you say them you want to travel alone and you are no more interested to have him/her with you, make a manual save game and load it in Awakening you will have the same reactions than loading the PostCampaign save game which is BEFORE you can say this to her/him....
Or they assumed that NOBODY would break the romance 1 second before you end the game.... but if they put that dialogue choices I believe there will be a reason...
what do you think??

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 03 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[Kwanzaabot]

I have another question relating to this, actually. What happens if (by playing DLC quests) you manage to improve a party member's approval, or get new armour (such as Cailan's in Return to Ostagar) after the coronation? Do these things get updated, or is everything set at when the post campaign save is created?

[BeljoraDien]

I think it probably wont matter since Awakening takes place months after DA:O ends. So, if you went 'traveling' the game will just assume you've come back to Ferelden since then.

Edit:

Kwanzaabot wrote...
What happens if (by playing DLC quests) you manage to improve a party member's approval, or get new armour (such as Cailan's in Return to Ostagar) after the coronation? Do these things get updated, or is everything set at when the post campaign save is created?

You can choose which save to take over to Awakening, so you can just pick your newest one.

Modifié par BeljoraDien, 03 février 2010 - 09:55 .

[RurouniSaiya-jin]

I'm guessing all choices up to the save you decide to import into Awakening will count. They can handle certain things differently one way or another. For example, if you decide to travel the world with or without your love Interest, they could have a casual conversation happen in the beginning of the game that gives you a chance to explain why you cut your travel short. Or they could show a cutscene of something shocking happening that has you change your mind, cut your travels short and help rebuild the wardens. Or possibly, you actually finished your travels. If I'm not mistaken, Awakening happens 6 months after Origins. Maybe it was a short trip

[Miserysky]

That's not what he means. He's talking about the difference in the epilogue if you just walk out after the post-coronation w/o talking to anyone versus having conversations with all your party-mates. For mine, it's the difference between going off to rebuild the wardens with Zevran or wandering around for a time alone. Big difference. Although I'm not sure what he means. My post coronation save was after I had made my decision for my boon and "what I'm doing next" when asked by Al/Anora but before final party mate convos. Good question about DLC adventures post-coronoation that changed approval and such and whether it's relevant.

[Kepha]

The actual "Post-Campaign" save, which you can use to play DLC is created before the coronation scene starts. So none of your dialog choices you make in the coronation scene are reflected in the Post-Campaign series of saves (assuming you load up the Post-Campagin save and do DLC, make a new save with the DLC completed, etc...). The only way to get a save which could record what you say in the coronation scene is to make a manual save before you walk out the door, and that save can't be used to play DLC.



So I think the ultimate question is whether importing a Post-Campaign/Post-DLC save into Awakening is going to be any different than importing a Save made at the end of the Epilogue after you've had the final conversation with Alistair/Anora and all your companions.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Miserysky wrote...

That's not what he means. He's talking about the difference in the epilogue if you just walk out after the post-coronation w/o talking to anyone versus having conversations with all your party-mates. For mine, it's the difference between going off to rebuild the wardens with Zevran or wandering around for a time alone. Big difference. Although I'm not sure what he means. My post coronation save was after I had made my decision for my boon and "what I'm doing next" when asked by Al/Anora but before final party mate convos. Good question about DLC adventures post-coronoation that changed approval and such and whether it's relevant.

I am not meaning about differences in epilogue... But about differences between loading in awakening the Post Campaigne Save where you have not still taken some decisions (for example if you want to rebuild the Grey Warden, if you want help Fergus to rebuild your castle (as I played as a human noble I had even this choice) or if you choose to travel the world) and loading a Manual save you made AFTER you took these decisions

I choose to travel and obviously when Leliana asked me if I want her with me I replied YES OF COURSE !!! And my Post Coronation Save is after i talked to ALL PEOPLE in the room and just 1 second before I open the door to go for celebration (and game ended)

Now... let we do some supposings... I load in Awakening my Post Coronation Save.. Then Leliana appears in Awakening as a Cameo and you are still in love with her... When some new companion try to romance you there is an option where you can reply "Sorry my heart is already busy".. THESE ARE ONLY MY SPECULATION OBVIOUSLY....

So... what will happen if after the coronation you go to speak with Leliana, you broke the romance, save the game and go with this game in Awakening??
And what will happen if we go in Awakening with Post Campaign Save BEFORE you have these dialogues?

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 03 février 2010 - 10:32 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

Kepha wrote...

The actual "Post-Campaign" save, which you can use to play DLC is created before the coronation scene starts. So none of your dialog choices you make in the coronation scene are reflected in the Post-Campaign series of saves (assuming you load up the Post-Campagin save and do DLC, make a new save with the DLC completed, etc...). The only way to get a save which could record what you say in the coronation scene is to make a manual save before you walk out the door, and that save can't be used to play DLC.

So I think the ultimate question is whether importing a Post-Campaign/Post-DLC save into Awakening is going to be any different than importing a Save made at the end of the Epilogue after you've had the final conversation with Alistair/Anora and all your companions.

Well.. You are right !! (Did you read my last post in RTO thread? )
and this is a consequence of my first question !! Because if Bioware will tell us that conversation after coronation will not have any influence in xpac we will haven't any problem !!

But if they are uneseful to xpac, why they gave us these dialogues options??

Until we will have an official answer by Bioware we will not able to do more than guesses !! 

I have already posted these questions in several threads but I am still waiting for an official answer...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 03 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[Saberdark]

My understanding is that anything that takes place after the final boss fight never actually happened. Every time I beat the game at the end of the text epilogue it states (paraphrasing here) that these are things that have not yet happened yet and that the story actually ended as you sank your blade into the final boss. That's about as official as it gets.  

So I'd imagine that, especially considering it doesn't save the choices as well, it's going to follow that train of thought.

Modifié par Saberdark, 03 février 2010 - 11:04 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

Saberdark wrote...

My understanding is that anything that takes place after the final boss fight never actually happened. Every time I beat the game at the end of the text epilogue it states (paraphrasing here) that these are things that have not yet happened yet and that the story actually ended as you sank your blade into the final boss. That's about as official as it gets.  

So I'd imagine that, especially considering it doesn't save the choices as well, it's going to follow that train of thought.

I did not understand what you said.. Maybe because I don't speak english very well... So can you explain me where you read the story ended after you put your sword into the Archdemon?? Did you sacrifice youself?? Because in my end-game I read different thinghs in my text epilogue... I read that my character left Denerim and Leliana goes away with her and they traveled togheter for some times... This final is due right to choises I made in my post coronation dialogue...

[Saberdark]

The very last text in the epilogue before the credits says it. Never sacrificed myself, so I don't know if it says that when you do. But if you did the ritual that's what it says.

Modifié par Saberdark, 03 février 2010 - 11:22 .

[Noobius_Maximo]

I'm assuming if you sacrifice yourself, you have to make the new Warden? Because, that would be the only thing that makes sense...

[MaxQuartiroli]

Saberdark wrote...

The very last text in the epilogue before the credits says it. Never sacrificed myself, so I don't know if it says that when you do. But if you did the ritual that's what it says.

Ah ok... now I undestand... well this is last text... but all the other texts in the epilogue before it?? They are very different from every single users depending on all the whole choises you did...

By the way... I need only an answer... just a little, simple answer by anyone....

"Yes, dialogue post-coronation will be influent in xpac"
or
"No, dialogue post coronation are only for fun and will not be influent in x-pac"

I am trying to have this answer from several days and I'm nearly going to cry like a baby if I can't get it

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 03 février 2010 - 11:34 .

[Saberdark]

Yes the epilogue says many things, but that last line of text is crucial. It happens in every ending and basically states that anything you think may have happened after the archdemon was killed didn't necessarily happen at all.



So yeah, no, post coronation will likely only have been for fun. The game says it and the save takes place before it. It's not going to affect anything.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Saberdark wrote...

Yes the epilogue says many things, but that last line of text is crucial. It happens in every ending and basically states that anything you think may have happened after the archdemon was killed didn't necessarily happen at all.

So yeah, no, post coronation will likely only have been for fun. The game says it and the save takes place before it. It's not going to affect anything.

So you assume that Post Campaign Save is the DEFINITIVE savegame... And if later, I made a Manual Save after my post-coronation dialogues it will be exactly the same as Post Campaign Save even if had more dialogues... Do you think so? But are you sure, did you read this anywhere, or are only your guesses?

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 03 février 2010 - 11:50 .

[Joshd21]

Sad part is we are given very little to No information about if it will have an impact the ending of Dragon Age, into the expansion. Considering us the fans helped make Dragon Age into a powerhouse. I think it only to be fair to allow a few details.

I'm not asking them to tell us all the companion's, or their backstory. More importantly on the save, if your choices at the end have any impact at the start of it. We know no matter what choice you picked, the King/Queen gives a land to greywardens so they may rebuild

Seriously, we pay for this game. We helped it grow into what it is now, what's the reasoning on hiding key fact's we keep asking endlessy abou

[Nobody Important]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I moved this post with some modifications from another thread under suggestion of another user...

*** WATCH OUT... CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS ABOUT DAO CAMPAIGN !!!!! ***

After killing the archdemon we saw the Coronation Scene and then game make an authomatic saves which is called Post Campaign save.

This saves contains the choises you made in the whole game but is BEFORE your last dialogues options with king/queen and your old companions

I have beaten this game with 8 characters on the 360 and never once got a save right before the coronation...

[Kepha]

Nobody Important wrote...
I have beaten this game with 8 characters on the 360 and never once got a save right before the coronation...

On the PC its very easy to see that the Post-Campaign save on that platform is made before the Coronation scene.  If you alt-tab at the first dialog option you can see that the save has already been created.  Now most people aren't going to stop and load that save, or even notice its there until after they're done the epilogue and the credits roll, but its defiantely getting created pretty much as soon as the archdemon dies and before any epilogue decision making about future plans.

[Nobody Important]

Kepha wrote...

Nobody Important wrote...
I have beaten this game with 8 characters on the 360 and never once got a save right before the coronation...

On the PC its very easy to see that the Post-Campaign save on that platform is made before the Coronation scene.  If you alt-tab at the first dialog option you can see that the save has already been created.  Now most people aren't going to stop and load that save, or even notice its there until after they're done the epilogue and the credits roll, but its defiantely getting created pretty much as soon as the archdemon dies and before any epilogue decision making about future plans.

I just looked at my 360 saves there is no type of save like that at all and saves I created after I spoke with the king thats it. None right after the archdemon and before talking to the king. Is it just  the 360 that is like this or is my game bugged?

[Fieryeel]

I would be very pissed if my decisions in the post-coronation didn't matter in Awakenings.



My character was in a relationship with Leliana, and continued so till the very end of the game.



If Leliana mysteriously disappears without any appearance, mention or cameo of her at all in Awakenings, I will not buy that game.



If any companions are to disappear, at least give an explanation of where they went. Etc "Leliana broke up with me and went back to Orlais T_T" or " Leliana is currently staying at Vigil Keep, unable to participate in any fights as she's pregnant with my baby and needs her rest "

[nyxocity]

Nobody Important wrote...

Kepha wrote...

Nobody Important wrote...
I have beaten this game with 8 characters on the 360 and never once got a save right before the coronation...

On the PC its very easy to see that the Post-Campaign save on that platform is made before the Coronation scene.  If you alt-tab at the first dialog option you can see that the save has already been created.  Now most people aren't going to stop and load that save, or even notice its there until after they're done the epilogue and the credits roll, but its defiantely getting created pretty much as soon as the archdemon dies and before any epilogue decision making about future plans.

I just looked at my 360 saves there is no type of save like that at all and saves I created after I spoke with the king thats it. None right after the archdemon and before talking to the king. Is it just  the 360 that is like this or is my game bugged?

I also play on XBox 360, and I have watched the game do "Saving content, do not etc." and pause while it does its own save at the point where you walk out the doors with the guard post-coronation talks. Now, I'd have to go back andsee if there is an auto save again, but I seem to recall looking last time and there was an autosave with a black picture/no picture that I assume will be the final save loaded to the next game. This is pure spec on my part, so do with that what you will.

Modifié par thenyxie, 04 février 2010 - 01:46 .

[Joshd21]

Fieryeel wrote...

I would be very pissed if my decisions in the post-coronation didn't matter in Awakenings.

My character was in a relationship with Leliana, and continued so till the very end of the game.

If Leliana mysteriously disappears without any appearance, mention or cameo of her at all in Awakenings, I will not buy that game.

If any companions are to disappear, at least give an explanation of where they went. Etc "Leliana broke up with me and went back to Orlais T_T" or " Leliana is currently staying at Vigil Keep, unable to participate in any fights as she's pregnant with my baby and needs her rest "

Strange that you mention it. I hear in some romances in Mass Effect 1, did not coutinue to Mass Effect 2. Instead they got a digital email of the person breaking up with them. No other reason but that, this has not been confirmed by me though as I only played Mass Effect 2

Perhaps, I'm looking at things the wrong way. Granted, Bioware owns Dragon Age, they have a right to do whatever they want. I'm fine with it, I'm only requesting we are given some detail about the post saved right before you walked out to the crowd

Yet we have gotten trailors of new companions and that's all fine. Though what we really want to know is about the post save. The other companions information can be held in the dark, though stuff vital to our first Dragon Age, I believe we should know

Everyone who bought a copy of Dragon Age, helped it become the big sucess it is. The fans who thrive here on disscussion forums keeping up buzz of game while interacting helps the game. Maybe some thing I don't see, would be so wrong for a Q and A about our saves only questions

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

Joshd21 wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

I would be very pissed if my decisions in the post-coronation didn't matter in Awakenings.

My character was in a relationship with Leliana, and continued so till the very end of the game.

If Leliana mysteriously disappears without any appearance, mention or cameo of her at all in Awakenings, I will not buy that game.

If any companions are to disappear, at least give an explanation of where they went. Etc "Leliana broke up with me and went back to Orlais T_T" or " Leliana is currently staying at Vigil Keep, unable to participate in any fights as she's pregnant with my baby and needs her rest "

Strange that you mention it. I hear in some romances in Mass Effect 1, did not coutinue to Mass Effect 2. Instead they got a digital email of the person breaking up with them. No other reason but that, this has not been confirmed by me though as I only played Mass Effect 2

Perhaps, I'm looking at things the wrong way. Granted, Bioware owns Dragon Age, they have a right to do whatever they want. I'm fine with it, I'm only requesting we are given some detail about the post saved right before you walked out to the crowd

Yet we have gotten trailors of new companions and that's all fine. Though what we really want to know is about the post save. The other companions information can be held in the dark, though stuff vital to our first Dragon Age, I believe we should know

Everyone who bought a copy of Dragon Age, helped it become the big sucess it is. The fans who thrive here on disscussion forums keeping up buzz of game while interacting helps the game. Maybe some thing I don't see, would be so wrong for a Q and A about our saves only questions

Yeah they do that with your old romance in Mass Effect 2. After I ran into Kaiden he sent me one saying he didnt know if he wanted to be with my girl, but there was still a picture of him in my room. I really hope they dont do that with Dragon Age because that was pretty annoying..

[Merci357]

Hm, regarding the Mass Effect 1->Mass Effect 2 romances - can only tell for Liara, but at least she kissed me, so no, there's no forced break up.

Mass Effect 1 had a similar choice that was not covered in the auto save that was used for import in part two, you had to choose Ambassador Udina or Captain Anderson as council member. In Mass Effect 2 you are asked about it early on.



I'd like to know how these post coronation choices are handled when importing an old character into Awakening.

[Nobody Important]

thenyxie wrote...

Nobody Important wrote...

Kepha wrote...

Nobody Important wrote...
I have beaten this game with 8 characters on the 360 and never once got a save right before the coronation...

On the PC its very easy to see that the Post-Campaign save on that platform is made before the Coronation scene.  If you alt-tab at the first dialog option you can see that the save has already been created.  Now most people aren't going to stop and load that save, or even notice its there until after they're done the epilogue and the credits roll, but its defiantely getting created pretty much as soon as the archdemon dies and before any epilogue decision making about future plans.

I just looked at my 360 saves there is no type of save like that at all and saves I created after I spoke with the king thats it. None right after the archdemon and before talking to the king. Is it just  the 360 that is like this or is my game bugged?

I also play on XBox 360, and I have watched the game do "Saving content, do not etc." and pause while it does its own save at the point where you walk out the doors with the guard post-coronation talks. Now, I'd have to go back andsee if there is an auto save again, but I seem to recall looking last time and there was an autosave with a black picture/no picture that I assume will be the final save loaded to the next game. This is pure spec on my part, so do with that what you will.

Ok I just went back beat the archdemon on a save I had right before it with 2 different characters. Still no auto-save for me. What about you? I also watched a video on youtube of the PC version and saw the autosave going on for them but nothing like that happened for me.