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[RangerSG]

Taxonomical wrote...

Simple answer: They do it the way they did in BG1 and BG1's expansion: Tales of the sword coast.

In there, you had a FINAL SAVE the game automatically made...but you could also just as easily use another OTHER save you had.

I imagine we'll just be prompted with a box that lists our saves and allows us to pick one. The reason why they made a post coronation save is to sabe the game just in case the player forgets.

Exactly. There's lots of ways this could work. And right now, guessing off of script lines isn't going to do anything but cause unnecessary heartache. When we get official word, that's when we'll know.

Same kind of rubbish went on between NWN2 and the MotB, everyone assumed the PC would be dead and all sorts of other rubbish based on things they thought they saw. Turned out 90%+ of the speculation was wrong, pointless, and unfounded.

If you want to guess, guess. But don't present it as fact unless it's been stated as fact. And right now, all that's official is our end-game choices regarding who killed the Archdemon and who we put on the throne will matter. Anything else is pure speculation.

[Nirvana_Dest]

Actually, what I did was load a save "prior" to starting the final battle on all my play throughs. Ran RTO and then played the final battle again for each character. Its my opinion that the Wade's Superior DragonBone armor is much better than Cailen's armor. Cailen's Shield is pretty useless when compared to other high end shields like Duncan's and the Auducon (dwarf noble) shield. Cailen's sword is also of questionable value. When I played as a Dwarf Noble warrior I gave Cailen's armor to Alistair and kept the Dragon Bone that Wade made for myself.

[Kepha]

If the only thing you can effect in the Epilogue is ending the romances you can get the same effect by breaking up with them in the camp in the Post-Campaign save if you really want too. So it seems like there won't be much difference between importing a Post-Campaign save versus a manual save in the epilogue into Awakening.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Ocyris wrote...

Yes, if you were to tell Leliana that you want to end your relationship then that is stored in your save. Like wise for all the other but everything else I said still stands.

Recap, The only effect your conversations in post coronation will have is wither or not you continue your relationship through the end. Telling Sten you'd like to go with him back to his homeland does not have any actual effect and is just what someone else described as "fluff". This translates to all the conversations as far as I can tell.

With that said I haven't gone over them all with a fine toothed comb so I may have missed something. If you're really interested grab the toolset and look at the conversations in the Epilogue folder. You'd specifically be looking for any nodes with either an 'A' or 'AC' denoting an Action or Action and Condition. The variable names thus far have been fair self explanatory.

 

Thank you.. I dear you so much !!!
Finally I had an answer..
So we know that, unless we won't break up our romance, every save we are going to load in Awakening after killing the Archdemon SHOULD have the same impact on it...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 05 février 2010 - 08:42 .

[bri193]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

So we know that, unless we won't break up our romance, every save we are going to load in Awakening after killing the Archdemon SHOULD have the same impact on it...

Lets look at 2 possibilities from the Campaign/Epilogue Save (autsave after archdemon is killed)

Player A and Player B played the game exactly the same way, made all the same in-game decisoins, etc.

Player A proceeds from this to chat will all mates in the hall, makes a manual save and goes out the door triggering the post campaign event cards, credits roll, and that is that. Then uses the final manual save to import into Awakening.

Player B uses Campaign/Epilogue Save to play RtO, thus by-passing all the final hall chat, and makes a final manual save back at Camp after RtO. Then uses this save to import into Awakening, thus bringing the RtO loot, exp points, achievment, etc, but without triggering the post campaign event cards, and credits roll.

By your analysis, Player A should get a very different story-line in Awakening than Player B cos Player A triggered the post campaign event cards, based on final hall chat, and Player B did not do this.

As desirable as this might be, or not be, I just cannot see this being the case, for many of the reasons posted by others earlier...

Modifié par bri193, 05 février 2010 - 09:45 .

[edeheusch]

Ocyris wrote...

Yes, if you were to tell Leliana that you want to end your relationship then that is stored in your save. Like wise for all the other but everything else I said still stands.

Recap, The only effect your conversations in post coronation will have is wither or not you continue your relationship through the end. Telling Sten you'd like to go with him back to his homeland does not have any actual effect and is just what someone else described as "fluff". This translates to all the conversations as far as I can tell.

With that said I haven't gone over them all with a fine toothed comb so I may have missed something. If you're really interested grab the toolset and look at the conversations in the Epilogue folder. You'd specifically be looking for any nodes with either an 'A' or 'AC' denoting an Action or Action and Condition. The variable names thus far have been fair self explanatory.

Just to be sure, did you check also the first conversation with the King/Queen (the one in which you can choose your reward) or did you only check the conversation with the people in the room?
Your answers during this conversation are the one (from the epilogue) that could potentially have the most impact on a sequel.

[MaxQuartiroli]

@bri193

No I said right the OPPOSITE thing.. What you describe was my fear and the reason why I opened this thread. If you read what  Ocyris wrote we may notice that every single answer in final dialogues DON'T change any variables in the game... This means that if you compare PostCampaignSave (before or without speaking to anybody) and ManualPostIncoronationSave (after you spoke to everybody) you will see that all settings, variables and checks are the same.. therefore we may PRESUME that player A and player B will have the same reactions by awakening

The ONLY way to have any difference beetween player A and player B is to break up the romance, telling to Lel/Zev that you are going to travel alone.. But this option is available in the Post-Epilogue camp too.. If you load your Post-Campaign save, play RTO, then go to camp, talk with Lel/Zev, break romance and manually save the game it will be different..

By the way I really will have no problem with this because i never will go to break the romance...

@edeheusch 

I am 99% sure that PostCampaignSave is originated just AFTER you finish to speak to king/queen... If you remember, that dialogue comes after you killed the Archdemons but there are no moments before that dialogue where you can manually perform a save.. and if you want to change your choises you have to load before Archdemon kill it again, watch the coronation clip and then talk again with king/queen 
Therefore I think that dialogue is ALREADY included in PostCampaign Save

[edeheusch]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

@edeheusch 

I am 99% sure that PostCampaignSave is originated just AFTER you finish to speak to king/queen... If you remember, that dialogue comes after you killed the Archdemons but there are no moments before that dialogue where you can manually perform a save.. and if you want to change your choises you have to load before Archdemon kill it again, watch the coronation clip and then talk again with king/queen 
Therefore I think that dialogue is ALREADY included in PostCampaign Save

In fact I have tried to save just after the end of this dialog and there is a difference of a few minutes between my save and the epilogue save (you can see when the save was done in its description) so the post campaign save doesn’t seem to be done after the end of the dialogue. 

It is possible that the epilogue save is done between you last relevant answer and the end of the dialogue but I think it is most probably done just after the final blow.

I would really like to have an official answer about this.

Modifié par edeheusch, 05 février 2010 - 12:47 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

Both of answers seems to be relevant... Because they asked you If you want to rebuild the Wardens or not, and what is your desire as a reward for your victory... Anyway.. I believe that the 1st question is more relevant than 2nd and automatic save may also be made beetwen this two questions...
But reading the 1st post of Ocyris I understood that by toolset he saw that those choises were included in the automatic PostCampaign Save.. and only postcoronation dialogues were missing Maybe I am wrong or I did not understand...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 05 février 2010 - 01:07 .

[Bfler]

What is the great change that can happen after the final battle? If only Oghren will be included in Awakening it doesn't matter what you say to the other comrads and Oghren does offer only one option for his future.
The other little story elements could be predefined by Bioware. Sure they have said that your decisions will have influence on the story but they didn't say what decisions and how far this will go.

Modifié par Bfler, 05 février 2010 - 01:42 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

Who knows?? But just because nobody knows anything we are in doubt about this.. So, unless we will have an official answer by someone, I am going to load my PostCoronation Save in xpac, to be sure I will load 100% of my choises, useful or uneseful they could be... and then.. whatever will be will be !!

[edeheusch]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Who knows?? But just because nobody knows anything we are in doubt about this.. So, unless we will have an official answer by someone, I am going to load my PostCoronation Save in xpac, to be sure I will load 100% of my choises, useful or uneseful they could be... and then.. whatever will be will be !!

Currently they don't want to reveal too much about the expansion but I am pretty sure that we will know officially what would be the best save to load into Awakening before its release. 

[Kepha]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...
@edeheusch 

I am 99% sure that PostCampaignSave is originated just AFTER you finish to speak to king/queen... If you remember, that dialogue comes after you killed the Archdemons but there are no moments before that dialogue where you can manually perform a save.. and if you want to change your choises you have to load before Archdemon kill it again, watch the coronation clip and then talk again with king/queen 
Therefore I think that dialogue is ALREADY included in PostCampaign Save

I'm 99% sure the save is made before you say anything to the king/queen.  Once the dialog option comes up, I have alt-tabbed and checked the Characters directory and the Post-Campaign Save is already there, before I give my answer about what I plan to do (rebuild the Warden's, go home, travel, etc...)

I think though, given what we've been told Awakening, that it can sort of be assumed that if we import our Character into Awakening its because we want to rebuild the Wardens with that character, so they may not give a reason for why a character who may have given an imcompatible answer with Awakening would come back to rebuild the Wardens.

Modifié par Kepha, 05 février 2010 - 05:20 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

Kepha wrote...

I think though, given what we've been told Awakening, that it can sort of be assumed that if we import our Character into Awakening its because we want to rebuild the Wardens with that character, so they may not give a reason for why a character who may have given an imcompatible answer with Awakening would come back to rebuild the Wardens.

Continuity is over then... very sad !

[DJ0000]

The post coronation save does take into account what you said after the Archdemon battle, hence the name post coronation(After coronation) it saves everything you said but places you before the battle so you can play dlc without having to do the whole end game over again.



I have no doubt what-so-ever that it will take all this into account. You should really put more trust in the devs.

[MaxQuartiroli]

DJ0000 wrote...

The post coronation save does take into account what you said after the Archdemon battle, hence the name post coronation(After coronation) it saves everything you said but places you before the battle so you can play dlc without having to do the whole end game over again.

I have no doubt what-so-ever that it will take all this into account. You should really put more trust in the devs.

You are wrong.. Post coronation save is the name we gave in this topic to all MANUAL saves we did after the final battle and after talking to queen/king

The authomatic save which allows you to play DLC is called by the game "Post Campaign Save" and it doesn't take all yor dialogues... If you don't believe me load it, go into the diary, look at dialogues history and you will see that your last dialogues recorded are before you go to fight the archdemon 

[Joshd21]

While I don't agree with keeping fans in the dark if their choices will carry on to the next game, considering entire game is about choices and cause and effect. You can pick a morally good choice, have the option not to get reward or take the bad path

And be rewareded(Only reward you know about) It is their game. I won't say anything bad about the game, because it is a art work masterpiece. However I do not like waiting, seeing trailor after trailor of random things that are not connected in any way shape or fourm to the post save

I simply have no choice, they saw this thread and saw fit not to reply

[MaxQuartiroli]

Joshd21 wrote...

While I don't agree with keeping fans in the dark if their choices will carry on to the next game, considering entire game is about choices and cause and effect. You can pick a morally good choice, have the option not to get reward or take the bad path

And be rewareded(Only reward you know about) It is their game. I won't say anything bad about the game, because it is a art work masterpiece. However I do not like waiting, seeing trailor after trailor of random things that are not connected in any way shape or fourm to the post save

I simply have no choice, they saw this thread and saw fit not to reply

You know... sometimes silence may also be an answer.. expecially if someone knows that you may not like too much that answer... So, if we get no answer what do you think may be the reason? And what do you think must be this answer?

[Lady Jess]

I found this thread after reading the FAQ for Awakenings and being rather disappointed. First, there are no romance options in Awakenings at all (http://dragonage.bio...ening/faq/#q1-7). Focus is on the mission at hand. Second...DLC weapons and armor won't be carried over (http://dragonage.bio...ening/faq/#q2-3).



I'm apparently going to be a weaponless, naked, warden commander with a divorce from the king I guess.

[Kepha]

David clarified that they're not breaking up the romances, there's just no extra romance content in the expansion. See http://social.biowar...ex/1180276&lf=8

[Lady Jess]

Kepha wrote...

David clarified that they're not breaking up the romances, there's just no extra romance content in the expansion. See http://social.biowar...ex/1180276&lf=8

That's good news, thank you:)

Though I'll still miss that whole aspect of the game, it really added to the experience for me. In fact, it's what kept me playing. Hopefully it returns eventually:(

[MaxQuartiroli]

I believe that FAQ + David's post gave us an answer to all of our questions.. Now I am going to play Awakening much less worried

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 13 février 2010 - 09:34 .

[Lady Jess]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I believe that FAQ + David's post gave us an answer to all of our questions.. Now I am going to play Awakening much less worried

Same for me, aside from the armor/weapons I'll be lacking. I suppose thats a good excuse to play through again and get different ones though. I have to keep reminding myself that Expansion doesn't = Sequel. I already preodered Awakenings so, regardless I'll play it, but I'll be whistfully waiting for the rest of my story to continue I imagine...lol

[Lycans4ever]

So would it be better to load a save from the post-coronation than the post-campaign to use in Awakening? And also before all this should i put all my items to the inventory so i can use them in the expansion?

[horner3344]

i heard in a thread or forum or the faq cant remember but when u load your saved game from origins into awakening that there is a advanced option to load any saved game that you want from your character which means post corination now idk if the dialoge u had with companions at the end will be in awakening but u can load the saved game and hope for the best