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[Ataru13]

I know this is slightly off topic, but the issue of female aliens came up, and I can't help but wonder... Do you think the Salarian on the council might be female? According the codex entry, only the female Salarians get involved in politics... Couple that with their amphibious nature (no breasts, or other mammalian secondary sexual characteristics...) Sure, the council member doesn't sound female, but we don't know what female Salarians sound like.



On topic: I don't particularly care one way or the other if they show Tali's face. I'll trust Bioware's judgement either way.

[HAGA NAGA]

1

 Total let down. but i don't blame bioware for being terrified about a potential fail.

2

I'm glad they put all the "cuddling", "lap-sitting" and "dancing" stuff in the endgame and made it repeatable. BIG step in the right direction. But yeah, they need to improve/increase the amount of content here.  It would be nice if there were different ways to sit on the couch and you could toggle back and forth and see them reposition each time. 

As far as Shepard's wonkiness, um yeah, he looks like a dummy or something.

I think they should be able to exchange comments if you want to, that would be nice.

Take a shower together

Look at the fish together and talk

would be really nice if you could actually leave the cabin and walk with her around the ship. talk to the crew.

alright, now i'm gettting carried away, but it'd be nice.

[this isnt my name]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Take a shower together

Seems like that would be in a porn film not a video game.

[HAGA NAGA]

this isnt my name wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Take a shower together

Seems like that would be in a porn film not a video game.

wow, yeah "taking a shower together". real hardcore porn there.  honestly, kelly's dance is pretty hardcore if you ask me (and yes, i liked it being in the video game)

[HAGA NAGA]

poisonoustea wrote...

I'd be more than OK with some more dialogue with the whole crew. And I suppose there's more to talk about with your LI than choosing to break up or stay together.

A shower together? Cmon, it's an RPG, not Second Life.

P.S.: Am I the only one who felt satisfied with Tali's face not being revealed? I like to keep my imagination working.

hey. if it was in there, you'd do it. don't lie.

[binaryemperor]

yeah, I don't really care what Tali looks like, I just want to see what the Quarians look like. I mean, there have to be old videos or whatnot. A lot of Asari are old enough to know, also.

[HAGA NAGA]

poisonoustea wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

poisonoustea wrote...

I'd be more than OK with some more dialogue with the whole crew. And I suppose there's more to talk about with your LI than choosing to break up or stay together.

A shower together? Cmon, it's an RPG, not Second Life.

P.S.: Am I the only one who felt satisfied with Tali's face not being revealed? I like to keep my imagination working.

hey. if it was in there, you'd do it. don't lie.

Well... can't say no. :innocent:
Though I can't see the use of a suited Quarianhaving a shower with Shep. That would be weird.

 lol. good point, i guess it would end up being more of a funny moment than a romantic one.

oh, and on your p.s. I was mainly upset with not seeing Tali's face because it resulted in a short cutscene. we gotta see it in ME3 though.

[daksmiley]

abx009 wrote...

Your first point actually goes into my gripe, which is just that the feel of the game is off; you go from feeling like being part of the ME universe, to feeling like you're watching a movie, to feeling like you're playing an arcade game, and the transition is fairly jarring. It's not as much of a cohesive experience as it was in the first game.

They could have done better, IMO, without actually showing the face. They could have shown the back of the neck/head, the hand, the feet, or something that would have given us a vague sense of what they might look like without revealing the face (before ME3?).

I also agree about the fish; I paid for that goddam fish, and I want to see it!!

"The feet"


My god, if they had shown Tali's feet there would now be around a thousand threads full of Tali foot fetishists and countless posts of "dem feet" along side "dem hips". lol

[this isnt my name]

daksmiley wrote...

abx009 wrote...

Your first point actually goes into my gripe, which is just that the feel of the game is off; you go from feeling like being part of the ME universe, to feeling like you're watching a movie, to feeling like you're playing an arcade game, and the transition is fairly jarring. It's not as much of a cohesive experience as it was in the first game.

They could have done better, IMO, without actually showing the face. They could have shown the back of the neck/head, the hand, the feet, or something that would have given us a vague sense of what they might look like without revealing the face (before ME3?).

I also agree about the fish; I paid for that goddam fish, and I want to see it!!

"The feet"


My god, if they had shown Tali's feet there would now be around a thousand threads full of Tali foot fetishists and countless posts of "dem feet" along side "dem hips". lol

Then it would be like ME2 chickens everywhere are disapearing...Except its because of te Tali footfetish caused by indoctrination...Indoctrination is fun.

[dissonance-zaon]

Haven't read the whole thread but I agree with the OP.

I never liked Tali for her supposed "mystery". In fact, I always hated when people wanted to keep her a mystery because "that's what made her so attractive". BS to me. That's like saying Miranda is only attractive because she's got massive T&A. There was more to her than that. Edit: Not trying to say anyone's reasons for liking Tali are invalid but that should hardly be a reason to avoid (what should be) the inevitable.

I felt so disconnected from the love scene. Tali was aching to reveal what was under the "damn helmet" to you (via Shepard). Risking her life just to share herself. Not wanting some crappy simulator to feel. You would think it would be a very loving scene as a result...

Instead, all it did was reinforce Quarians' looks as a running gag.

Modifié par dissonance-zaon, 08 février 2010 - 02:55 .

[Killer Irish]

poisonoustea wrote...

I'd be more than OK with some more dialogue with the whole crew. And I suppose there's more to talk about with your LI than choosing to break up or stay together.

A shower together? Cmon, it's an RPG, not Second Life.

P.S.: Am I the only one who felt satisfied with Tali's face not being revealed? I like to keep my imagination working.

  Okay, yeah, the shower idea...*laugh*


Alright, I keep reading the comments when it comes to peoples opinion on not showing her face etc...I still want to reiterate my point however ==>

My complaint is how Bioware wrote themselves into a corner on this one from a story/game development perspective.  Whether you wanted to see Tali's face or not I hope you can agree with me on this one...

They take the entire game to set up that you the player, are in fact Shepard.  They do an excellent job at making sure all actions, choices, things you do and see are one and the same with your character.  After you make these choices you see the rewards or consequences in all its sadness or glory.  Tali's "love scene" is the only moment in the entire game where they pull you away from being Shepard and back to being the player.  This is the one moment where you and Shepard have different perspectives while things are going on screen.  If Bioware didn't want us to see Tali's face then Shepard shouldn't have been able to see her face.  If (for whatever) she couldn't have taken the helmet off then I would have been fine with that (yes, I would still be curious what she looks like, but I wouldn't be frusterated).  It was that the character I was playing got to see her and I didn't.  This is what threw me off from both a story perspective and a character development perspective.  So in the end my initial argument isn't whether I got to see her face or not to fullfill my own curiousity.  It was the jarring point in the game where they had all this build up, all these promises, but no pay off.  While in the process of disconnecting the player from the character.  Say what you will, but that's the way it was written.

Does this take away from me loving this game?  No...not in the least.  I have never been an actual "fan" of a certain game in my life...that is until Mass Effect.  I'm not taking away anything that the Developers did.  I applaud them for being amazing story tellers and taking on a project like this.  This was the only moment in this entire video game where I was disapointed as a fellow developer that they took this route.  And that in itself is a huge compliment...15 seconds of disapointment compared to the 50+ hours of applause and amazment. 

Modifié par Killer Irish, 08 février 2010 - 03:39 .

[Spoonuser12]

I'll just reiterate my thoughts here...







I support Tali as a squad member/ love interest. I also strongly support seeing under the helmet







I strongly feel that we should see her face. I felt it was very inconsistent to the formula of the game that we didn't see it, but Shepard did. I feel that the game has catered to the fact that the player and Shepard are one.







It was her enigma that captured our attention, It's a great build up, and finally seeing under the mask could be one of, if not the biggest pay off for some people. Mystery needs to payoff at some point. Same goes for the Quarians in general.







Just showing my support for this thread, with an opinion of my own.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Seeing Tali's face should kill the player.



In all seriousness, we'll see her face in the third game I'm sure.

[Killer Irish]

Spoonuser12 wrote...
...It was her enigma that captured our attention, It's a great build up, and finally seeing under the mask could be one of, if not the biggest pay off for some people. Mystery needs to payoff at some point. Same goes for the Quarians in general.



Just showing my support for this thread, with an opinion of my own.

  Yeah, that build up...wow.  The voice actor did an amazing job making you feel how badly she wanted to get the helmet off and be with you.  It actually made me feel a little sad for her...which really drove it home for me to want to be with her.  Aside from the actual ending I do agree it had the potential to be a very rewarding scene.

[MusicToEat]

I'd just like to add my agreement to the OP here. Leaving aside all the build up to her revealing her face to you and the massive disappointment when it wasn't, leaving ALL that aside, in a Role Playing game, there should never be secret information between the character you're playing and you. If there is, it pulls you out of the game and you're no longer that character, but someone watching that character.



It's like in pen and paper Dungeons and Dragons. If one of the other players wants to whisper something to just you, the GM will usually have them actually whisper it to you, or write it down on a piece of paper and pass it to you. The GM may or may not want to know what was said, depending on how they're running the game. This whole Tali's face thing would be like that player whispering the info to the GM and then the GM not telling you what they said. It's completely inappropriate for this style of game.



If they weren't going to show the player her face, they should have never made it an option, or come up with some reason why Shepard also didn't see her face. This hidden info stuff just pulls you out of the game.



I really don't see how they'd go about revealing her to the player in ME3 now. The big reveal scene has already happened. There would be a disconnect between the player (seeing her for the first time) and Shepard (seeing her for at least the second time). Bioware really had a chance to make a powerful and touching scene here, and they completely blew it imo.

[Killer Irish]

MusicToEat wrote...

I'd just like to add my agreement to the OP here. Leaving aside all the build up to her revealing her face to you and the massive disappointment when it wasn't, leaving ALL that aside, in a Role Playing game, there should never be secret information between the character you're playing and you. If there is, it pulls you out of the game and you're no longer that character, but someone watching that character.

It's like in pen and paper Dungeons and Dragons. If one of the other players wants to whisper something to just you, the GM will usually have them actually whisper it to you, or write it down on a piece of paper and pass it to you. The GM may or may not want to know what was said, depending on how they're running the game. This whole Tali's face thing would be like that player whispering the info to the GM and then the GM not telling you what they said. It's completely inappropriate for this style of game.

If they weren't going to show the player her face, they should have never made it an option, or come up with some reason why Shepard also didn't see her face. This hidden info stuff just pulls you out of the game.

I really don't see how they'd go about revealing her to the player in ME3 now. The big reveal scene has already happened. There would be a disconnect between the player (seeing her for the first time) and Shepard (seeing her for at least the second time). Bioware really had a chance to make a powerful and touching scene here, and they completely blew it imo.

I never thought of it like that...but you are 100% right.  Although I would still hope against hope that they could come up with a clever way of revealing her face to us. *sigh*

[Valthaur]

Lol, I see I'm coming to this thread incredibly late, but only just finished the game

Very well-stated points, Killer Irish and MusicToEat, I think that exactly captures why it was such a disappointing scene. And yes, at this point there is going to be a disconnect in your and Shepherd's perception of Tali whether Bioware do a reveal in the next game or not. The only way I could think of that would kind of resolve that is if early in ME3 (maybe when he sees Tali for the first in-game, or something like that) Shepherd has a cutscene flashback to the love scene, this time shown from his perspective. That way we'd get the payoff from that buildup, albeit a game late, without them having to contrive another reveal scene. Not ideal, but it'd work.

[78stonewobble]

Sockwolf wrote...

Really, what good reason could there be to not show it? All they have to do is make it human like and pretty, not that hard.

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They could even have based it on Liz Sroka's real face and that'd have been plenty good enough. They need to give her glowing eyes though.

I had no idea who Liz Sroka was until I visited the forums. She is quite pretty imho and that would be fine by me.

But really the looks didn't matter to me. The character herself reminded me of a very good female friend with a kind of similar accent and the same positive energetic personality. Which I like in a person. The accent is just charming IMHO.

I'd like to see the face whatever the surprice it might contain. Lizard scales or whatnot... Which is kinda the whole point in the Tali love interest/relationship. It is beyond or at least aside from looks.

However... They could add an "spoilers ahead" option.

[Killer Irish]

78stonewobble wrote...

Sockwolf wrote...

Really, what good reason could there be to not show it? All they have to do is make it human like and pretty, not that hard.

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They could even have based it on Liz Sroka's real face and that'd have been plenty good enough. They need to give her glowing eyes though.

I had no idea who Liz Sroka was until I visited the forums. She is quite pretty imho and that would be fine by me.

But really the looks didn't matter to me. The character herself reminded me of a very good female friend with a kind of similar accent and the same positive energetic personality. Which I like in a person. The accent is just charming IMHO.

I'd like to see the face whatever the surprice it might contain. Lizard scales or whatnot... Which is kinda the whole point in the Tali love interest/relationship. It is beyond or at least aside from looks.

However... They could add an "spoilers ahead" option.

Wow...how in the world did people find this thread?   Hasn't been read in a year!  Well, here we are, past the DLC and waiting for ME3 to come out next year...so no more hopes of updates to ME2 or DLC to show Tali's face.  We will just have to wait, hope, and see if they finally choose a model for ME3.  This whole thing will always be my one "let down" (as it were) for ME2.

I have complete faith in the artists at Bioware...human like, scales, whatever they choose for Tali's look I'd be fine with because I know they would be true to Quarian race (and to Tali herself).  In the end however I just want them to freaking choose!  It would be nice to have some closer in this area...no payoff after all this build up would be a huge let down in my opinion.

Modifié par Killer Irish, 11 juin 2011 - 04:51 .

[Orion1836]

Killer Irish wrote...

This is the one moment where you and Shepard have different perspectives while things are going on screen.  If Bioware didn't want us to see Tali's face then Shepard shouldn't have been able to see her face.  If (for whatever) she couldn't have taken the helmet off then I would have been fine with that (yes, I would still be curious what she looks like, but I wouldn't be frusterated).

Shepard (Channeling Brock Samson): No, leave it... I like it with the helmet on.

[Hallusinaatti]

I fear that the quarian mask serves as a paper bag.

[78stonewobble]

In retrospect I'm not so much worried about the face but the possibility of a nasty body wide skinrash only kept in check by their overdoses of antibiotics.