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[ChaoticBroth]

SunfighterG8 wrote...

AtomRobot87 wrote...

SunfighterG8 wrote...


The real plot whole is why do we need an IFF in the first place, theyve said several times that ships openly pass though the gate without an IFF.....so what do we need an IFF for? To get back? I thought this was a sucide mission?

The IFF is so you don't get blown to sh*t the moment you come out of the omega-4 relay. I guess it makes it so no alarms go off when you enter the collector space or something...

You still got attacked, so the IFF didnt even work. Sorry I still dont buy it, there is something more with that IFF then we knew. The way it was signaling the collectors means it had some AI on it or part of that reaper's 'soul'. How conviently it was placed on a cart easy to find, Why they stole your crew....it almost seems as if the reapers WANTED you to go though that gate and attack....the outcome they might of not anticpated though..... I personally think we did something they wanted in the long run...we just arnt aware of it...

You don't get attacked by automated defense systems. Sure, you do get attacked by the Oculus, but those are likely being continuously monitored by the Collectors.

The reason that the Collectors could pick up on it was simple. What the IFF would do is track the location of all the ships that had it. Meaning, at this point in time, the Collector ships. Now, imagine you were the CG. You've had a network of who's-got-the-IFF, and it's been unchanged for the last, oh I don't know, 35-45,000 years. You also know that there's a small group that's been actively (and quite successively) working against you. Now, all of a sudden, when monitoring the statuses of whoever's connected with the IFF, you notice a new "user", if you will, pop up. Won't you put two and two together?

And tell me, which would pertain to their goals better? Killing the crew members, or capturing them, and processing them?

It's possible (since the IFF was found on a 37-million-year-old Reaper, and the Collectors have only been around for, at most, 50,000 years) that the location beyond the Omega-4 relay was used quite a bit in the past.

[Giantevilhead]

The developers just got lazy with that part. They just decided to have Shepard go on a mission off screen rather than really giving you a mission to do.

[Elen]

Honestly, I don't think it qualifies as a plot hole per se, but it was pretty poorly done. I didn't have any missions or anything else to do so the only reason my gang jumped on the shuttle was so that Collectors could conveniently takeover Normandy. They could have at least thrown in a token save a colony from collectors quest so that the team would have a legit reason to leave ship while IFF is being installed.

[rhagen1]

Please just pay attention to the game, read the codex, and don't jump to ridiculous conclusions like this. At the very least, ask a question, don't blame Bioware for plot holes when it obviously wasn't one.

[Kolaris8472]

Its a plothole for my Shephard and seems lazy on the devs part, but oh well. Maybe it wasn't.



She'd never take her entire team with her for an N7-esque mission. I find it hard to believe that all 11 of them could fit in that little thing anyway.

[addiction21]

rhagen1 wrote...

Please just pay attention to the game, read the codex, and don't jump to ridiculous conclusions like this. At the very least, ask a question, don't blame Bioware for plot holes when it obviously wasn't one.

YOu would have as much luck getting in wow and telling people to stop chatting or looking for groups in the trade channel.
(not a shot at anyone just trying to get people to act differently on the internet is a impossibility)

[Ebosian]

The whole thing about they were off because of the test doesnt fit. Didn't Miranda says they were going on a mission and Shepard could pick who he wants when they get there?



It would have been better if the story explained that they got off so nothing would happen to them if the IFF testing went bad. And it could have been explained that the Normandy FTL jumped away for the test.

[Urazz]

SunfighterG8 wrote...

AtomRobot87 wrote...

SunfighterG8 wrote...


The real plot whole is why do we need an IFF in the first place, theyve said several times that ships openly pass though the gate without an IFF.....so what do we need an IFF for? To get back? I thought this was a sucide mission?

The IFF is so you don't get blown to sh*t the moment you come out of the omega-4 relay. I guess it makes it so no alarms go off when you enter the collector space or something...

You still got attacked, so the IFF didnt even work. Sorry I still dont buy it, there is something more with that IFF then we knew. The way it was signaling the collectors means it had some AI on it or part of that reaper's 'soul'. How conviently it was placed on a cart easy to find, Why they stole your crew....it almost seems as if the reapers WANTED you to go though that gate and attack....the outcome they might of not anticpated though..... I personally think we did something they wanted in the long run...we just arnt aware of it...

Actually, I think the Omega-4 relay was rigged that any ship that used it without a IFF ended up destroyed when they came out the other side.

[Missouri Tigers]

I'm pretty EDI explains that if something went wrong in testing, she didn't want you and all the important fighters to die.  Also, I was told that the Reaper IFF caused the virus.

[Rilke21]

Had we actually gotten to play a mission after the shuttle departed, the Collector attack wouldn't have seemed so jarring. Shoddy storytelling, if you ask me.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

SunfighterG8 wrote...
The whole IFF thing is sorta silly, not only is the mission lazy (we are inside a dead reaper..how cool! Oh wait..its just a bunch of cerberus crates with the IFF on a cart in an elevator).....

The real plot whole is why do we need an IFF in the first place, theyve said several times that ships openly pass though the gate without an IFF.....so what do we need an IFF for? To get back? I thought this was a sucide mission?

Cerberus had established a base at the dead reaper to find the IFF but fell victim to indoctrination + husk.

The IFF is needed to go through the Omega IV relay without being immediately destroyed by an automated system.  Like the Ebon Hawk launch codes.

They went on a mission in the shuttle, the shuttle is capable of FTL.  They were likely doing something while it was happening. (or en route somewhere)

[akintu]

It happened to me when I activated the galaxy map. I think the game assumed I was going to go do a mission somewhere. Sadly, I was just intending to gather some resources. It kinda made me laugh when I got shunted into the shuttle. I was like, "What, how am I gonna gather palladium in this?"

[boogu168]

For me they had to leave to turn off a false distress beacon.

[Urazz]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Cerberus had established a base at the dead reaper to find the IFF but fell victim to indoctrination + husk.

The IFF is needed to go through the Omega IV relay without being immediately destroyed by an automated system.  Like the Ebon Hawk launch codes.

They went on a mission in the shuttle, the shuttle is capable of FTL.  They were likely doing something while it was happening. (or en route somewhere)

Exactly, it seemed like Shepard was gonna go on a mission with his entire squad with the shuttle and left the Normandy so testing on the IFF could be done.  They probably didn't actually get to do the mission since EDI probably called them back before they could get to it.  At least that's my guess.

[dan107]

This is nothing compared to the plot hole of exploring the "derelict" collector ship. If that was just a trap, they would've sealed the doors and blasted the Normady to pieces as soon as you were inside. But it's a game. Willing suspension of disbelief and all that.

[Blue_dodo]

SunfighterG8 wrote...

Its supposed to be like you went off to do a mission on a planet somewhere...plus those shuttles can go FTL...

The whole IFF thing is sorta silly, not only is the mission lazy (we are inside a dead reaper..how cool! Oh wait..its just a bunch of cerberus crates with the IFF on a cart in an elevator).....

The real plot whole is why do we need an IFF in the first place, theyve said several times that ships openly pass though the gate without an IFF.....so what do we need an IFF for? To get back? I thought this was a sucide mission?

because apperantly all other ships whoe went through were torn to pieces, I mean there is a black hole in the background.

and I personally liked the iff mission,people expect to much

[Zemore]

they went to Oz they were off to see the wizard ... and with all fantasy games and stories the loop holer de holer is "a wizard did it"

[rhagen1]

Here's the quick explanation of what happened:



They are going to go do a mission (it doesn't matter what specifically they were going to do). This entails driving the Normandy to that solar system and getting it accomplished. EDI says, I'm doing a lot of testing with the Reaper IFF and it's dangerous business, just let me sit here and get things figured out, while you guys take the shuttle. The shuttle is just as capable of FTL travel, it just can't carry the entire crew. Shepard takes his normal away team members on the shuttle and off they go, meanwhile the rest of the crew continues to test and monitor the reaper IFF with EDI.

[Chained_Creator]

Do people sleep when playing this game, or something?

[D00GS729]

DEFAULT SHEPARD'S STUBBLE IS THE EXACT SAME AS IT WAS IN THE FIRST GAME, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, THIS GAME MAKES NO SENSE

[TheLostGenius]

Fuzzyrabbit wrote...

As GnusmasTHX mentioned, the shuttle is capable of FTL and relay travel, this is shown at the start of the game when you leave the Lazarus facility and head to another Cerberus base. They all left the ship because EDI said it would take time to set up the IFF and they'd rather be out doing something than twiddling their thumbs on the ship.

Also, no Geth virus would much affect EDI. She's based on recovered Reaper tech, and it took a Reaper virus to even temporarily bother her. Even then, she found a loophole that let her retake the entire ship.

Ok. That may be true, but they don't show it happen. Their should have been a specific mini-quest that required the entire team. (No other quest in the game requires the entire team except the last mission).

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

benaq wrote...

It's not a plot hole at all. They took the shuttle for a mission..

What mission? I did not have any missions to do when my crew decided to "oh hey, lets all get on the shuttle".

[JakePT]

The leaving on the shuttle thing was incredibly clumsy, but it wasn't a plot whole, more of a plot contrivance.

[Carthson]

The shuttle has FTL drives as well, not just the Normandy. The only reason they use the shuttle as a drop ship is because the Normandy is too damn big to land in most places.

[KalliChan07]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

SunfighterG8 wrote...

Its supposed to be like you went off to do a mission on a planet somewhere...plus those shuttles can go FTL...

The whole IFF thing is sorta silly, not only is the mission lazy (we are inside a dead reaper..how cool! Oh wait..its just a bunch of cerberus crates with the IFF on a cart in an elevator).....

The real plot whole is why do we need an IFF in the first place, theyve said several times that ships openly pass though the gate without an IFF.....so what do we need an IFF for? To get back? I thought this was a sucide mission?

Wrong. Ships can enter the Omega 4 relay but they get shredded. Hence the massive graveyard on the other side. The IFF prevents this from happening and it is also installed on all Collecter ships.

^ this. 

I played through never asking Legion for upgrades, thus not letting him into my firewall.  The same thing happens.  It was speculated that Legion caused the signal, and I honestly remember reading that on a wiki.  I looked back and it was taken off.  I can't remember if Edi specifically says that the reaper is emitting the white noise (which turns out to be the signal to the collector ship), but I'm it isn't Legion.