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Kakimori wrote...

Consider this: I feel lucky if a good RPG comes out once every 2-3 years. And I am willing to support companies that develop and produce such good RPGs, on the rare occasions that they do so. Therefore, I am willing to pay for the game, in order to give said company a profit. In order to keep them in business. So that they will make more games. Which I will also buy and enjoy.

Does it make sense?


This.

Gaming is my #1 hobby and I gladly spend my hard earned money on good and solid games that entertain me in a pleasant way. And in the case of Dragon Age, Bioware certainly earned my share.

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PC Version costs $55 USD in my country. Dollar lost a lot against our currency or it would be around $40 bucks!

There are two very different situations usually being generalized and labeled "piracy".

One is the action of criminal organizations that have manufacturing falicities in many countries and actually produce copies of not only games and softwares but lots of other things that they had no right or patent to produce and they profit money by selling it all over the world. It is a very professional scheme and those are the guys that should be and probably are, hunted down by Interpol and alike.

Some streets in the city I live (18 million ppl, big metropolis) are crowded with small wooden stands that sells these goods. Cheap quality disks with games, softwares, all console games you can imagine, music CD, movies DVD, whole TV series season DVD's... I've seen it too in London and NYC when I lived in those cities over 20 years ago. Few aprehensions here tracked down the goods to China, but there are other producer countries too.

Now, it is almost like the drug business. The little fishes who are in the street selling also have a bunch of lookout guys with radio comms to warn when the police or any blitz are near. They vanish in the air and 5 minutes after the cops are gone, they're back. Very difficult to catch those guys. But this is the piracy I feel indignation for. They are the ones that cause losses to legit owners of the rights for those goods, not only because they profit from stealing but potential paying customers are deviated from legitimately purchasing the goods, only to save a few bucks. They could probably pay ffor the real thing as well.

The second situation is very different. People over the internet getting games or softwares that they will not profit from, for personal use, because they cannot afford it, in no way hurts companies. Moreover some of these downloaders will actually buy the real product if they are hooked by its quality or when they have the cash to afford it.

Why would that upset someone?

I remember when I was a ranked Starcraft player on Bnet and in a Lan house tournment here I met some ppl that could only play over Kali service because of their copied version of the game. Very soon many of them were on Battle.net meaning they actually purchased the game.

I have my Bioware games' CD-Keys registered in my Bioware account since 2002 and I can participate in forums only registered owners can post, for instance. there are many advantages for being a legit owner (or licenced user... argh) of a game, such as patches do not stop running the game until a new crack is available, if ever it becomes available. Else they're restricted to play an old outdated version of the game.

I understand and support anyone being upset with the first situation I list above. If there is anything we can do to help stop it we should, but not irrationally because it is dangerous. Those are mobs with no fear of killing someone. They are same "company" that makes forgeries out of "mineral water" , medicine pills, gasoline, milk, the list is immense. And includes our beloved games too, both PC and console version!

Sorry, english is not my primary language. And I made it his long because I copied from another post of mine somewhere else about the same topic... and the OP sucks!

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deleted triple post... damn forum tricked me real good... lol

Modifié par RageGT, 06 novembre 2009 - 03:53 .


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This is complete and utter nonsense, do i really need to list the reams of sites offering the xbox360 version for download, software pirating is something affecting all platforms. I could also argue given the far cheaper outlay to purchase a console and a higher proportion of junior gamers having access to console versions, they are far more likely to download pirate versions.



If you dislike the extra charges for console games, pay the £1500 or so for a decent gaming pc and stop whining.


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This is complete and utter nonsense, do i really need to list the reams of sites offering the xbox360 version for download, software pirating is something affecting all platforms. I could also argue given the far cheaper outlay to purchase a console and a higher proportion of junior gamers having access to console versions, they are far more likely to download pirate versions.

If you dislike the extra charges for console games, pay the £1500 or so for a decent gaming pc and stop whining.

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This is complete and utter nonsense, do i really need to list the reams of sites offering the xbox360 version for download, software pirating is something affecting all platforms. I could also argue given the far cheaper outlay to purchase a console and a higher proportion of junior gamers having access to console versions, they are far more likely to download pirate versions.

If you dislike the extra charges for console games, pay the £1500 or so for a decent gaming pc and stop whining.

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Yaggo wrote...

That's why I won't be buying this game, it is a question of principle, not because I am missing money.


I highly doubt you would register on this site and post stuff, then not buy the game based on some kind of principle which barely makes sense. :)

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I got my PC version for 28 eur. Just don't buy it on Steam or something (where you pay 50 eur).

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Yaggo wrote...

Consider that piracy in the "modern" console marked (360, ps3) is near to 0


This is simply not true. 360 piracy is rampant, but usually downplayed in comparison to PC piracy. I don't know enough about PS3 piracy to have an informed opinion, I'm afraid. PC piracy is still ahead of console piracy, it's true, but there is still a significant share of console piracy.

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I will buy the CE-PC-version (60 euro) because I like bioware, I can afford it and I am to the opinion that good work should be recompensed.



There will always be piracy, also on the console market. But I think that there are enough intelligent people who will buy the game nevertheless, simply because they want to owe bioware for the good work.

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I will buy the game because I like bioware, I can afford it and I am to the opinion that good work should be recompensed.



There will always be piracy, also on the console market. But I think that there are enough intelligent people who will buy the game nevertheless, simply because they want to owe bioware for the good work.

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That would suck if I had to pay $100 for a new PC game in the US... actually, it'd just drive piracy to record highs.

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That would suck if I had to pay $100 for a new PC game in the US... actually, it'd just drive piracy to record highs.

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Don't ever buy a video game in (mainland) Europe. Prices are ridiculous. Import from UK or something.

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What are other games going for overthere? I live in the US but unless other newer titles are 25-40% less then there is reason to complain. If there is only marginal difference in price I would have to say that it would come down to "Do I like the genre" "Will the story be worth it" and "How many hours of playtime can I get"

I decided to get this game instead of COD:MW2 for the this fact.

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Yaggo wrote...

That's why I won't be buying this game, it is a question of principle, not because I am missing money.


Then your missing out on an amazing game for reasons that Bioware cant control (value added tax, console manufactures gouging money, the fact that it was a pc game originially and was pushed to console due to EA's insistence)

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Maedyan wrote...

So how do they justify those 15$ more? Extra content? Better graphics? Innovative features?

Well if you consider the pc version gets pirated more then wouldn't they need to make up the money somewhere? Hate to say that but sounds logical to me... The poster above makes a good point as well. :)

You can always wait 6 months to a year & then pickup a copy after the price reduces. Or buy a used copy.


No.  You don't have to "make up" for money that you didn't spend.  Furthermore you can estimate it all day long but in the end it's not clear just how much damage piracy does.  Just because someone downloads it doesn't mean you lost a sale if they wouldn't have bought it regardless.  On the other hand, it's entirely possible there are people who downloaded and tried the game, then decided to go buy it, or who hadn't heard of it until they saw a torrent and after looking into what it is decided to buy.

I don't think anyone really knows what those numbers look like.

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Agreed, but if the base cost of the game is 45$ instead of 60$ then the final cost would be the same... Considering they did not have to develop tools, and that most of the costs are shared (music, design, story, etc.)...




No, it's not. You obviously haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Your beef is not with the PC or with BioWare, it's with Microsoft and Sony. If I distribute to a platform with no additional fees attached the cost per unit is not going to be the same as distributing to one where there are numerous fees attached. If you hadn't noticed pretty much ALL console games are more expensive than any PC game.

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Yaggo wrote...
Consider that piracy in the "modern" console marked (360, ps3) is near to 0 [...]


What... near 0? Are you kidding me? Things get pirated on the 360 ALL the time.

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Trigonous wrote...

Just to clarify, there will never be a toolset for the console version of any game. Ever.


LittleBigPlanet would like a word with you.

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Console games are harder to pirate because of various technologies owned by the console maufacturers (Sony/MS) and they are more expensive because Sony/MS charge a premium for this service.

So yes, that is the way to fight piracy.

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I think the best anti piracy is the Bioware sticker on the box. Sure made ME by the dang thing!

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If you think piracy on consoles is non-existent then you can't be paying attention to the real world.  I'd say that going by number of copies pirated, console piracy is as big as PC piracy.  In fact I heard from someone that the console version was cracked and on the net by Nov 1st.

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Kakimori wrote...

Consider this: I feel lucky if a good RPG comes out once every 2-3 years. And I am willing to support companies that develop and produce such good RPGs, on the rare occasions that they do so. Therefore, I am willing to pay for the game, in order to give said company a profit. In order to keep them in business. So that they will make more games. Which I will also buy and enjoy.

Does it make sense?


This makes sense to me.  If you're all pissy about an extra $15 then you're missing out.  It's a great game and well worth buying to support companies making great games.