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i love his comment about seemlessly moving through the game with a couple of hot keys and non stop firing, with no tactics involved.... he must not play on insanity. i think that article was a joke.

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HeadTrip325 wrote...

i love his comment about seemlessly moving through the game with a couple of hot keys and non stop firing, with no tactics involved.... he must not play on insanity. i think that article was a joke.


That describes ME1 pretty well if thats what he meant :lol::lol:

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Innovation in video games is overrated. The Wii was pretty innovative.

Besides, they totally innovated the Mass Effect series.  Apparently most people didn't like it.

Modifié par Crawling_Chaos, 04 février 2010 - 02:19 .


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HeadTrip325 wrote...

i love his comment about seemlessly moving through the game with a couple of hot keys and non stop firing, with no tactics involved.... he must not play on insanity. i think that article was a joke.

I dont' think he's even playing on veteran or normal - what kind of gun does he have that wouldn't run out of ammo by non-stop firing?

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Innovation in video games is overrated. The Wii was pretty innovative.

Besides, they totally innovated the Mass Effect series.  Apparently most people didn't like it.


Nothing says innovation like 20 years of Mario and Zelda games!

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I don't know what to think. I don't agree with a lot of criticisms. I liked the game and I understand the reasoning behind the criticism. Its something different, people are scared Bioware will change into something we all don't want. Valve got hit with that when L4D2 was released a YEAR later after L4D, Valve was always know for taking forever on their releases of games. Their fans panicked...and we all know what shenanigans insued from that.

Modifié par RockingKraut, 04 février 2010 - 02:22 .


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The only major fault I find in ME2 is the writing. In particular, the ending. A suicide mission where everyone can survive is boring, and only encourages the players to keep trying until they have an ending where everything is perfect. In ME1, you were forced to make a tough decision with no easy way out. With ME2, there isn't any of that. No emotions, and plenty of easy ways out. As Anthony Burch from Destructoid puts it, by giving the player what they want, you are depriving the story of what it needs in order to be emotionally engaging.

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tommythetomcat wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Innovation in video games is overrated. The Wii was pretty innovative.

Besides, they totally innovated the Mass Effect series.  Apparently most people didn't like it.


Nothing says innovation like 20 years of Mario and Zelda games!


Who cares?  Those games are fun.  Bottom line for video games: FUN.

I could care less if they "boldly went where no dev has gone before" because if it isn't fun, then it isn't worth jack s***.

Microevolutions and microinnovations (ie: ME2) to keep things from being "the same ol' game" is all that you need.

Modifié par Crawling_Chaos, 04 février 2010 - 02:23 .


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I was relieved at the ending, I wanted everybody to survive so when they did I was excited since that will most likely effect ME3...big picture people..

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One thing I find funny about that article is how he says he didn't use very many powers and just hid behind walls and shot things until they were dead. He claims he only died when the cover system bugged out on him.



People that play on normal difficulty really shouldn't criticize ME2 in this area...



On insanity mode, using a SMG against barriers is a good idea. Using the hand cannon against armor is a good idea. Using incinerate/health regen prevention abilities against Vorcha is a good idea. Doing none of those things will make the game a lot harder than it should be.

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Anyway, this article is a mediocre attention whoring piece of trash and needs to stop being posted on these forums on account of spam.

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This article has already been posted on these forums once already, interestingly enough by the guy who wrote it trying to pass himself off as an uninterested observer. I won't rehash everything I said last time I felt the need to respond to this drivel except to repeat that this douche isn't a professional writer he's just a disgruntled old school RPG nerd venting over the fact that the genre is evolving in ways he disapproves of and nearly 98% of the gaming community, critics and consumers alike, have no problem with.

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RockingKraut wrote...

I was relieved at the ending, I wanted everybody to survive so when they did I was excited since that will most likely effect ME3...big picture people..


ME3 would still have plenty of opportunities to present emotional decisions if you were forced to sacrifice a single character in ME2.

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tommythetomcat wrote...

How many times are people going to post this article?


This. /Thread.

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Arde5643 wrote...

HeadTrip325 wrote...

i love his comment about seemlessly moving through the game with a couple of hot keys and non stop firing, with no tactics involved.... he must not play on insanity. i think that article was a joke.

I dont' think he's even playing on veteran or normal - what kind of gun does he have that wouldn't run out of ammo by non-stop firing?


Seeing as I'm on normal now and run out of assault rifle ammo sometimes, I say this guy is on a modded super easy?
As for him only dieing when the Cover bugs out on him, Hell I beat ME1 on Insane, I'm playing this game on Normal and still die sometimes.. .__.

Modifié par DesetFox1943, 04 février 2010 - 02:53 .


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The article is spot on and hopefully someone in Bioware can use his points to improve the sequel. The mindless fanboys calling him an idiot for not blindly loving the flaws however, need to shut up. You're the reason the industry is stagnating with bottom dollar ethics instead of seeking innovation.

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ME2 was not a failure. It is an excellent game that deserves all of its praise. I have plenty of grubs about the sequel, but overall I thought it was excellent, and the reviewers were not far off.

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blackrhubarb 2.0 wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...



The game is not perfect, but it does a better job of sucking you into the story and Shepard's boots that ME1 did.


You might think so. Other people don't. That's the point.


ME1 did a better job sucking me into the story.

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Within the first four paragraphs he accuses the ENTIRE REVIEW INDUSTRY of being in the bag, and then proceeds to call them all fanboys. This person opinion officially means squat. If you have something worth saying, then you don't need to preface it by ****ting on everyone who has an opinion different than your own. Particularly if you aren trying to maintain any semblence of professionalism or objectivity. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 04 février 2010 - 03:04 .


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MassEffect762 wrote...

blackrhubarb 2.0 wrote...

Monstruo696 wrote...



The game is not perfect, but it does a better job of sucking you into the story and Shepard's boots that ME1 did.


You might think so. Other people don't. That's the point.


ME1 did a better job sucking me into the story.


I'm sorry for your loss.

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sinosleep wrote...

Within the first four paragraphs he accuses the ENTIRE REVIEW INDUSTRY of being in the bag, and then proceeds to call them all fanboys. This person opinion officially means squat. If you have something worth saying, then you don't need to preface it by ****ting on everyone who has an opinion different than your own. Particularly if you aren trying to maintain any semblence of professionalism or objectivity. 


Sorry to say it, but he is generally right about the review industry. Most care more about how shiny the graphics are than whether the game is actually good or not.

Of course, this is all just opinion anyway, so take it as you will.

Also, I generally agreed with him. ME2 was disappointing. Maybe I was just expecting something different than what they delivered, but this game just doesn't do it for me like the first one did.

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While the author of the article was a bit harsh in conveying his feelings, most of the tings he said are in fact absolutely true. Bioware needs to read this. If no one to tells you the negatives you cannot improve PERIOD. The part where he calls all reviewers fanboys is also true to a certain extent. Also all the idiots crying about how bad this guy is need to shut up, Its his honest opinion and he is very well entitled to it.

Modifié par GrimmjawJin, 04 février 2010 - 05:55 .


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I also like how if all the reviewers agree that the game is great, they're instantly bad reviewers or in someone's pocket.

Get over yourselves, god forbid they all agree because a game is actually good for once.

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GrimmjawJin wrote...

While the author of the article was a bit harsh in conveying his feelings, most of the tings he said are in fact absolutely true. Bioware needs to read this. If no one to tells you the negatives you cannot improve PERIOD. The part where he calls all reviewers fanboys is also true to a certain extent. Also all the idiots crying about how bad this guy is need to shut up, Its his honest opinion and he is very well entitled to it.


But the reverse isn't true of the vast majority of reviewers who showered the game with praise? 

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The level up process was WAY better in ME1. U actually had options to choose from to add points to and the whole XP in ME2 is so cheap. Its like we're just being thown a bone instead of actually really earning the XP.