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[fogofeternity]

Given the whole focus in ME2 is on the bringing together of an elite group, with significant investigation and exposition of their backstory, and development of their relationships with Shepard, I'm surprised there's so many comments that say they don't think ME2 squadmates will have more than a cameo role.

The existence of the loyalty quests goes far further in examining the background of each character than anything in ME1. In fact the loyalty questions and examination of characters are as large (probably even larger, actually) a part of the game as the main plot, certainly in gameplay terms. If the squadmates are subsequently largely abandoned in ME3 then ME2 is basically pointless as a game. You may as well jump straight to "Reaper Plan C" in ME3 as there is no real reason for ME2 to have happened.

The argument seems to go; "they could have died in ME2, so Bioware won't write story in case the player won't experience it." But it's hardly a serious stretch for Bioware to develop all of these characters' stories further, even if some players won't experience all of them on first play through.  Games developers for good RPGs always have a lot of redundant material that will only be available to players on multiple playthroughs, and never all in one story. e.g. in DA:O you don't even have to have any of your potential LI in your party.

Each squad member's story (in both ME1 and ME2) is effectively self contained, and has little impact on the other squad members. Therefore it doesn't really matter in what combination squad members of ME2 died or survived. 

You could also probably assume that the vast majority of players will have made it through ME2 with at least 75% of their squad. So already you're only looking at one or two subplots that are redundant for any particular player.

Given the expectation that ME3 will be far more solidy focused on the final battle against the Reapers, it seems unlikely that there will be as much opportunity for specific missions to investigate character backgrounds. It will make more sense on an in-character basis for character relationships and exposition to develop on board the Normandy. So there's no further work

Bioware have specifically said that they aren't doing any particular work on game engine stuff, so that the moves towards the release of ME3 are almost entirely based on gameplay, plot and characterization. That means they can specifically focus on these aspects of the game. 

I'd be really surprised if at least half of the ME2 squadmates didn't also make it into ME3 as squadmates.

[MerchantGOL]

*Claps*



Thank you

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Or most of the characters could be relegated to Zaeed status (sans having them be DLC), thus cutting down on the amount of work needed to incorporate them into the game.

Modifié par ItsFreakinJesus, 04 février 2010 - 01:47 .

[ComTrav]

More evidence that you're right:



Bioware wouldn't have made ME2's 'suicide mission' without a good idea where they would go in ME3. I think ME2 to ME3 integration will be smoother then ME1 to ME2, because they have more experience with it, and because when ME1 came out, they weren't sure of a sequel. (It could've flopped massively, after all.)

[epoch_]

Well, they can't have us scour the galaxy all me2, just to dump everyone we've become friends with for an entirely new squad in ME3. That would just be lame.



I'm sure they won't do that.

[TeaCokeProphet]

Yeah. Whatever. I just want to have a clown squadmate. His name will be Chuckles.

[DirtyVagrant]

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

Yeah. Whatever. I just want to have a clown squadmate. His name will be Chuckles.

I second this. Make him romancable. It's what the people want, Bioware, can't you see? Make it so!

[ToshiStation38]

ComTrav wrote...

More evidence that you're right:

Bioware wouldn't have made ME2's 'suicide mission' without a good idea where they would go in ME3. I think ME2 to ME3 integration will be smoother then ME1 to ME2, because they have more experience with it, and because when ME1 came out, they weren't sure of a sequel. (It could've flopped massively, after all.)

You're right. I just think the fact that the ME 2 character's are executed so much better is a good amount of evidence. Also, the fact that Bioware almost wanted the player to choose a new LI is good. I see some people feel bad about it, and will likely be returning to their ME 1 LI, but some are legitimately pissed at their ME 1 LI and want nothing to do with them. Bioware knew this could/would happen.

My only concern is that Casey said in an interview on IGN GameScoop that the romance plots are three act stories, and that ME 2 is the middle act. Hopefully the ME 1 LIs don't get any preferential treatment.

[TeaCokeProphet]

We should have our own petition thread. Naow.



On a more serious note, I wholeheartedly agree. Fans were already disappointed by the less than cold reception they recieved by half of the previous comrades. I'm sure that'll serve a bigger purpose, but I want to see more of these people as characters, and hopefully ME3 will retain part of the character-centric plotline from ME2.

[GraciousCat]

I honestly don't see why they couldn't be squadmates in ME3, sure they can die at the end but so can Shepard and we still get to play as him/her

[ThatDancingTurian]

Here here, OP.

I'm going to quote a reply I posted in another, very similar thread, simply because it doesn't make sense to me to rewrite the same opinion just with slightly different words:

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I think the big problem with this theory is the idea that because it's been done once, that that is the standard. That's like saying 'I tossed this coin and it landed on heads, so it's going to be heads the next time'. Once
isn't enough to get a clear idea of what will for certain be, especially when the situations for ME2 and ME3 are totally different. ME3 will likely be fundamentally different from ME2 simply because it is a finale. The rules change for a finale.

And look at what ME2 is. The plot is almost secondary to character-building; that's obviously for a reason. Why make an entire game about getting to know this new group if none of them are important for the next one?

And frankly, it's pretty hard to get all of them killed. You have to barely play the game at all. Anyone who doesn't care enough about the characters to get to know them shouldn't really be rewarded with a new cast of characters to ignore, at the expense of the majority of people that really enjoyed having the characters and saved at least 80% of their team.

Basically, it's a finale, the whole idea of a finale is to build on already established stories and relationships. What would be the point of starting from scratch when it comes to teammates?

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 04 février 2010 - 01:58 .

[Lord Atlia]

A lot of people who are saying that ME2 squad mates will not be back in ME3 are just bitter that their favorite squad mates didn't make it into ME2.

Modifié par Lord Atlia, 04 février 2010 - 02:05 .

[shinobi602]

*Applauds*



Good post. I tried to get someone to make a group for all ME2 squadmates to return in ME3, sadly, didn't really get any attention.



Meh =/

[Default137]

Yup



As I've been pointing out to my friends, ME2s entire point as a game was to basically play Galactic Pokemon collecting all these bastards, with a small sidestory about human colonies getting attacked, and you joining some bad guys for a bit, so chances are fairly high that they will all appear again in ME3, especially since unlike the first crew, most of the community actually likes these new guys, or at least most of them.

[Lyriq]

I agree with this. Part of the reason that they dropped the level cap (I believe) was so a player could directly port his character into the second game, making the third game a direct continuation of the first. Pretty sure I read it on Kotaku, if anyone feels like hunting for it. Having a direct lead-in and then dropping all the characters makes no sense.

[jlb524]

I can't agree with all of this. I prefer the ME1 squad mates to the ME2 ones. It seems like some of you want them forgotten. Keep in mind, not everyone is disappointed by the 'cold' reception they received from ME1 characters.



I'm not opposed to having some ME2 squad mates around, but not at the expense of Liara, Ashley or Kaidan, and Wrex....characters it seems Bioware is saving for the final act of the trilogy.

[fogofeternity]

jlb524 wrote...

I can't agree with all of this. I prefer the ME1 squad mates to the ME2 ones. It seems like some of you want them forgotten. Keep in mind, not everyone is disappointed by the 'cold' reception they received from ME1 characters.

I'm not opposed to having some ME2 squad mates around, but not at the expense of Liara, Ashley or Kaidan, and Wrex....characters it seems Bioware is saving for the final act of the trilogy.

I don't see why it has to be an either/or proposition.

I think there are three or four characters in ME2 that could legitimately move on to be NPCs/cameos; Samara, Mordin, and potentially Jacob/Thane/Jack/Grunt.

So no problem to free up a spot for Liara and a spot for Ashley/Kaidan. I'm not sure I see Wrex coming back as a squadmate. Why would he leave his homeworld when he's bringing it to unity? Grunt has more in-character justification to stay on.

I'd also expect to see one or two potential new squadmates, but probably no more than that.

[Nayt Navare]

I just hope that Miranda returns. I really enjoyed her character. If I had to guess the squad make up for ME3, there would certainly be some ME2 characters there.

[boogu168]

Shavon wrote...

There is another thread that makes an excellent point. With all of the people Shepard has worked with so far, there really is no reason to have any new squadmates at all. Some of both should return, but especially the ME1 squaddies that are favorites/li's: Ash/kaidan, Liara, Garrus as well as the Me2 faves, which it's probably too early to tell yet, but most likely Miranda, Thane, Grunt and Mrodinwould be my guess.

I also think Tali would be in ME3 because she has been in both ME1 and ME2.

[Rhostadt]

If I had to guess, we'll have to pick a 'new' squad, and all the candidates will be our previous squadmates. Possibly to the point that some recruitment choices are mutually exclusive (i.e. Ashley or Miranda, but not both).

[Default137]

Rhostadt wrote...

If I had to guess, we'll have to pick a 'new' squad, and all the candidates will be our previous squadmates. Possibly to the point that some recruitment choices are mutually exclusive (i.e. Ashley or Miranda, but not both).

Thing is, there are only two people that can come back from ME1.

Liara, and Ashley/Kaiden.

Wrex is gone, I know this is hard for alot of people to accept, but we are not going to ever have two Krogans on board the Normandy, and Wrex is far to busy uniting Tuchanka for the final battle against the Reapers to suddenly become a Squadmate again. That only leaves Liara, and Ashley/Kaiden.

I can see Ashley/Kaiden, as we end ME2 ith the knowledge they are on some sort of secret suicide mission, which implies we will end up having to save them at the start of ME3, which will probably put them on our crew, as for Liara, she will probably join us after we find out the Shadow Broker is in fact a Reaper, and kill him, or however that arc ends. But thats just two people, its not like it will be a hailstorm of new folks, and even if our entire new crew survived, adding two more people is not going to throw things completely overboard, especially since Mordin can just become an NPC, as can Jacob, or Garrus, or Legion.

[citizen_snipsV1]

MerchantGOL wrote...

*Claps*

Thank you

Bravo TC, exactly what i knew but couldnt put to words as well.
Lets just hope bioware remembers that fact and doesnt bombarde us with new teammates we wont grow to care about, and instead brings back our favorites, Tali, Garrus, Legion, Thane, whoever, so we can continue to flesh out those who helped us get to this stage, and have them next to us in the final battle, of which should be one of the most climactic battles ever

Please Bioware, bring them back, we want them, add a few new people but leave a huge number for our favorites<3

[HeyUder]

I want you to be right, but the fact that in 2 years' times excitement over the story/characters of ME2 will die down a bit will lead to new characters. There is the obvious "they can die" argument (which is definitely a good argument), but wht really makes me think they're not coming back is that they signd on JUST for the suicide mission. No one thinks that the Reapers are coming right now. They will be off doing other things, as their main mission is complete.

[marshalleck]

ME2 crew, subtract Zaeed, subtract Kasumi (assuming she's real?), add Liara, add Kaidan/Ashley, there's your crew for ME3.



Bioware expressed an interest in the fireworks that may result from 'cheating' on your ME1 love interest, well I can't imagine more fireworks than all of you being on the same ship under the pressure of imminent Reaper invasion.