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[SarEnyaDor]

LOL that is so wrong.

[amethyst_rose2009]

I just found this thread.  The is too funny.  I love Joker. 

When I saw the Normandy explode I thought he was still on it and I cried like a baby.  I was so happy when the Illusive Man said that Joker would be my new pilot.  I support a romance with Joker 100 percent!  I just hope the poor guy can endure the........uh........love scene. 

[SarEnyaDor]

As long as femShep doesn't pull a Miranda-scene and try to slam Joker up against the Engine room wall I think he'll be able to manage.

[amethyst_rose2009]

LOL, I haven't seen that.  Then we will just be really gentle with him.

[Melissa Russell]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

As long as femShep doesn't pull a Miranda-scene and try to slam Joker up against the Engine room wall I think he'll be able to manage.

Oh, God, that hurts me just thinking about it.

[SarEnyaDor]

And they weren't even unclothed, so I don't know what that grinding was about. LOL

[RAZZberree]

IstTyrr wrote...

Wow. Only today did I discover this thread and I honestly don't know whether I should be jumping for joy or have the blues. Brace yourselves, this is going to be long. =)

I'm generally not very active in forums, when it comes to pitching in my opinion due to lack of time mostly, but *this*...I HAVE to support this. I've played ME1 several times and I've already completed a quick play-through ME2. I'm a huge fan of the Mass Effect universe/setting and probably one with the fewest complaints. My ONLY and MOST EARNEST wish throughout the story was to be able to get closer to Joker, to finally be able to experience his personality and depth of thought behind the heavy mask of a simple comic relief device.

I can understand the difficulty some players have in taking Jeff seriously, with views ranging from adoration to neutrality (meh, he's funny) to downright annoyance. He's in essence a love-or-hate type of person and you can easily get confused about his motives and goals. It takes time and effort to understand him, to watch him and learn to read "behind the lines" as they say. Even then, he'll somehow manage to shock and surprise you. He is for me, the single character in any game I've played so far that can pack so much character under a thin disguise of cheerful immaturity, that after two whole games I still don't seem to fully understand him.

I'm glad that finally proper attention is drawn to him and hopefully it will have the desired effect. If *we* (his fans) do not speak, *he* will never be heard. He will pass on to the history of gaming as just another comic character.

My bemusement stops right about when I start reading some of the comments. People have used very strong words to describe the EDI/Joker relationship, words like: belongs to, is ideal for and even *engaged to* with comments summarizing a: "how can you be so mean as to get between them, they're obviously perfect for each other!"
Seriously people, has anyone even remotely considered what *Jeff* wants? The way I see it, it all falls down to his own choice in the end. We're not just talking EDI vs. Shepard here, even if all the Normandy's males/females where after him, he'd be the one to choose in the end (or choose no-one). It has nothing to do with anyone's personal views or morals on the matter, this is all about what Jeff wants and I want to find out what he wants.

The point isn't whether or not you hook up with him (if you do, all the best), the point is to get a chance to finally express your feelings to him, to look him in the eye and say "Listen, Jokey-baby, you make my world go round, deal with it!" no matter what the outcome, no matter if he chooses a krogan female over you! If he really wants EDI, he won't quit her, but if he wants you...don't you wish to know?
It just confuses me that people use EDI as a "shield' to not touch the Joker issue, that's what it seems to me.

That's what I love about Joker, it's incredibly hard to sum up what he's saying/doing. He's remarkably hard to read, especially in the second game. The most obvious for that is him joining Cerberus. You don't know if he really joined because he feels he owes you, because they offered him alot of money, let him fly. He merely brushes off your death, claims a simple 'hell yeah they let me fly' (and he didn't know about the actual Normandy till the night prior). The more I think about it, the more I'm sure Bioware did this purposely, I feel like over-analyzing the situation so I shall. Shepard's death is, most likely, still a very fresh wound. Two years seems like a long time, but for something like that, it takes longer to heal and I'm sure just because Shepard's alive, doesn't mean it's closed up. From what we know about Jeff, he deflects any and everything with dry sarcasm, only showing a mildly 'softer' side when it seems appropriate (pretty much...only after Virmire and...when you die). My favorite moment with Joker was after the crew gets taken and he expreses his anger about the situation by yelling at you. (Sorely interrupted by EDI, I like being yelled at by my crew, seems realistic...) That made me hurt, because you honestly don't know if he means it or not, even if he says he doesn't. (And trust me I would have left the people with the better guns, but EDI and Miranda made me take a shuttle and my entire squad for some stupid reason! D,

Joker is definitely 'love em' or 'hate em' kind of character, so are alot of characters in Mass Effect, Ashley, Liara, Jack, Miranda, Zaeed. Any of the characters can be like that come to think of it. Anyway. I am in the 'LOVE THEM AND THEN SOME' group. I like characters like Joker, especially from a romantic point of view. You have to work to get them to notice you, you have to fight to get them to open up to you, it's tough and challenging but ends with the sweetest rewards if your successful! I think it's a pilot thing as well as a lot of pilot-type characters seem to have the same personality types (this one just happens to not be romanceable ;____

I would love to see something like that play out, instead of Shepard being the one in control of the relationship, being the one that says "I want, don't want", it would be remarkably refreshing to see the role reversed and have someone else determine that. It could really work with Joker. If Jeff literally tells me in-game that his heart is only for EDI, I'd happily backdown (and probably sacrifice myself because I just got beat out by a computer...). In the second game there's no such implication. Joker never tells you he only has eyes for EDI, EDI sounds somewhat disturbed by the insinuation of Jeff flirting with her and...where the hell do people get this idea? I could easily imply that Garrus is flirting with the calibration of the ship's guns, but it doesn't mean they have a romance going on. So from now on, I'm replying to EDI posts with the fail picture.

I would be so happy to tell Joker how my Shepard feels and I would be happy with a 'Oh? Is that so?' response. Yes, him leaving me hanging would not be an utter disapointment to me, because at least I would be able to JUSTIFY why my Shepard hasn't had a single thought about sleeping with ANYONE on her ship...EVER. I would love to get the chance to know if there was a 'what if?' Just a small chance would make me happy. I'd be happy with him saying we could talk about it AFTER the reapers are dealt with, because then I'd know that there 'might' be a chance. I think alot of people feel the same. And as it's been stated before in this thread, and all the five billion Tali threads and the Garrus threads, Jacob, Jake...if you're not interested don't pursue it. I know I wasn't interested and it was hella easy to not get into a romance. (I just wish people wouldn't stop talking to me because of that...;_____

[Melissa Russell]

Joker yells at you? Maan. I need to stop campaigning and finish that damned game.

[RAZZberree]

D: You do, your missing out on epic stuff!

[SarEnyaDor]

Wait, what did you do to make Joker yell at you? I've finished it a couple of times, and haven't had him yell at me....

[RAZZberree]

D:? It's after the crew gets taken and after the meeting with Jacob and Miranda, if you go talk to him he yells at you and threatens to leave! Though...granted he's not YELLING at you, but still. ;____;

[banana boat super banana]

Joker seems friend-zoned.

[RAZZberree]

RAZZberree wrote...

It would just be so nice to have ANYTHING with Joker though, even a better friendship.

Oh look, I can quote myself.

[IstTyrr]

banana boat super banana wrote...

Joker seems friend-zoned.

Garrus is friend zoned, even while romancing you. I don't think it can get any worse with Joker.

@Tooneyman
Joker's quote is epic! I can even hear him saying it! But it's not necessary for him to look back. I believe we already have a kissing picture posted? (for more straightforward approaches)

Modifié par IstTyrr, 11 février 2010 - 12:04 .

[Melissa Russell]

RAZZberree wrote...

D:? It's after the crew gets taken and after the meeting with Jacob and Miranda, if you go talk to him he yells at you and threatens to leave! Though...granted he's not YELLING at you, but still. ;____;

He threatens to leave?  What a dick.  I hope he and Shepard have hot make up sex afterward.  OH, RIGHT, NO JOKER ROMANCE PLOT.

*kicks his chair*

[RAZZberree]

ARGH THERE'S ALWAYS A CATCH! D<



Careful with that chair, it's leaaaatheeeer.

[Tooneyman]

Melissa Russell wrote...

RAZZberree wrote...

D:? It's after the crew gets taken and after the meeting with Jacob and Miranda, if you go talk to him he yells at you and threatens to leave! Though...granted he's not YELLING at you, but still. ;____;

He threatens to leave?  What a dick.  I hope he and Shepard have hot make up sex afterward.  OH, RIGHT, NO JOKER ROMANCE PLOT.

*kicks his chair*

Now you get it. I'm kicking my chair even more.

No joker romance.

My needs his body worked softly by my femsheps super thighs ahhhh!

[Corephyfish]

You want more Joker art?



I call it 'Joker Face'

Its the face he pulls when EDI tells him that she likes seeing humans on their knees before telling him she is joking. I hope you like (i'm crap with ears).

Anyway onto quotes.

RAZZberree wrote...
So from now on, I'm replying to EDI posts with the fail picture.

Yay! I hope it gets spread around lol, glad you guys like it!

RAZZberree wrote...
D:? It's after the crew gets taken and after the meeting with Jacob and Miranda, if you go talk to him he yells at you and threatens to leave! Though...granted he's not YELLING at you, but still. ;____;

I never got this lol, I always asked him if he was ok and he was all like i'll be fine, maybe I missed something.

I was just thinknig about it and I think we should write a petiton and get people to sign, send a copy to Bioware AND Seth Green, maybe if he sees all us fans into Joker he will get on our side, he probably doesn't even know Joker is as popular as he is.

I agree though that he is very emotional at the beginning and end and in between with Shepard, I find it to have more emotional meaning with femshep then with maleshep, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Modifié par slydfoxxy, 11 février 2010 - 01:32 .

[SarEnyaDor]

Yeah, I always ask him if he's okay (because no matter how I play I'm nice to Joker LOL) and he doesn't yell at me.... maybe I'll youtube it, don't know if I want him to yell at me.

[Rhia87]

Person who posted the aimo fanart: you just earned my undying love. :-D Happy!



I agree that we ought to try organizing some kind of letter-writing campaign thing. Just gotta figure out who at BioWare to send it to... It's clear that BioWare is responsive to what their fans are saying (see: Garrus, Tali, departure of Mako), so with luck we'll at least get some kind of response.

[RAZZberree]

I'm the only person he yells at? D,: This makes me sad face. It's after the meeting, you go to the cockpit and you just...talk to him and...he flipped out on meeeeee.



AH HA, found it!







And yes, we need to organize our efforts! I tried surfing around to find the right address to send a email...argh too many contacts! But we should totally...TRY something. Anything, I'll include fanarts if I have to...DONT MAKE ME USE MAH FLUFFY FANARTS! D< Cause, I'll totally do it...

[Rhia87]

I'm only on my second playthrough, and I guess I didn't go talk to him after the crew got taken last time. I think I bolted straight for the map going "OH GOD MUST SAVE CREW OH NOOOOOOES".



This time, I'm sure I'll get yelled at. I go talk to Joker constantly. (And also, isn't this the scene that the EDI/Joker people keep citing as their proof? The fact that they both go "no, not flirting" and Joker refers to EDI as his mother doesn't... I don't know, throw a wrench into that idea?)

[RAZZberree]

Lol, I was all like...I'll go save my crew...AFTER I TALK TO JOKER and then scan a bajillion planets and...wander around doing nothing...>> Needless to say they all died. ;_______; Except Chakwas, but she was the only cool one...aside from Gabby, and Ken...and the janitor...CRAP. I suck.



Yeah, this is the very scene that apparently proves they are meant for each other and are totally getting married in March. It's lovely in March I hear. >> Y'know, when I was courting my fiancee I totally called him 'pops', it's a real turn on, referring to someone as your parent. Totally.

[Rhia87]

Eh, I think they're more vitriolic best buds with a healthy dash of mothering concern on EDI's part.

Oh, and speaking of Joker's mom (whee random transition), did anyone else catch this line? At some point when you're hovering behind Joker's chair, he makes a comment about "If my mom could see me now, we'd have zombies on top of everything else." It didn't quite click right away, but I think his mom died at some point. Had to go an alter my head-canon notes when I figured that one out.

[RAZZberree]

That seems to about sum it up.



I heard him say that but...holy crap, it never really clicked! o______O;; Thanks for pointing that out, I'm pretty sure it means his mom is dead, sadly, wonder what the mother of Mr. Snarky-pants was like. -alters own canon notes-