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[NamiraWilhelm]

slydfoxxy wrote...

OT but I wish a dev or someone would reply to OUR thread, every other 'companion romance' thread has had a reply, if only so that we know they are actually listening to us.

Back OT:

It would be awesome if the Joker Romance was in ME3, just because it has taken that long for them to maybe realise how they feel about each other. Joker was the one who has ALWAYS been there for you, hell you had to recruit Garrus and Tali, but he was right there from the start.

Build ups are more epic in the end.

It really would be THE epic romance for Shep, i mean i adore Kaidan but Shep and Joker, having been through it all together, are comrades etc really would be an awesome pairing

Oh and i wish we'd get dev input too, i know that its just by chance and not expected of a dev to contribute to a thread but i'd love whoever wrote him to say something. Or just put us out of our misery.

Modifié par NamiraWilhelm, 26 décembre 2010 - 08:34 .

[FenrisDeSolar]

Trapper_920 wrote...

I would disagree because being self-aware and avoiding a topic that is uncomfortable would be blowing you off with a joke or sarcastic comment. Which avoids the whole blushing and fidgeting thing altogether.

On the other hand opening up and trying to have said uncomfortable conversation he could be fidgeting and staring off to a distance.

I agree, he's likely to crack a joke if he wants to avoid a conversation.

Trapper_920 wrote...

There is a reason he spends a lot of time on the extranet or whatever they call in in ME. Its just like me and the internet you could say. I can talk about things more freely than I could ever tell someone in person because of anonymity.

Believe it or not Joker is a geek and geeky people are not known to be social. Your welcome to you opinion of Joker but I don't think hes the confrontational guy. Confrontational is someone more like Jacob or T.I.M. they just have that sort of persona.

Firstly, everyone appreciates anonymity from time to time, or the internet wouldn't be as popular as it is. I get that. But this is sort of irrelevant at the moment. Second, I did notice that Joker was a geek. Lastly, I don't mean that Joker is confrontational per se -- I meant that in an uncomfortable situation he would get slightly confrontational. Try to nitpick in someone's sentence, and find something to take offence at. This is an alternative to switching off a little, which is what happens when people start looking off into a distance. They switch off. I think Joker would become very alert if he was having a potentially emotionally harmful discussion with someone. It's got a little bit to do with being right, as well as being protected. He wants to know that he was right to distrust people, and he wants an upper hand in the conversation. That would give him cover in a fallout.

[Sorrel]

Lots of people in the KAAS have done 'reunion' pictures or pictures using the shot of Earth from the ME3 trailer to show their Sheps and Kaidan hugging.

I think that's pretty cute, so I whipped out my massive Photoshop dong and made one of my Shep and Joker. I did the best I could to make the figures look like they belong.



Sure, it's not as 'impactful' as that hug scene is, but I like to think that a knowing look says just as much.

[Corephyfish]

^



Epicly awesome.



Or is it Awseomely epic?

[FenrisDeSolar]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

And you're free to have your own opinions Fenris, i just see him as emotionally retarded, and therefore will show the behaviours i described. Im also basing it on psychology, as well as personal experience. 

He wouldn't be an Alliance soldier if he was emotionally retarded. An ineptitude to understand any kind of human emotion can disqualify a potential soldier to enlist. At least, that is how it is in the army of the two countries I've lived in. I don't see any logical psychology in this theory either. Joker has all of his strength within him. He might carry one or two insecurities that could surface if he was opening into a romantic relationship, but I don't see him slipping into a nervous and uncontrolled tick during a conversation.

NamiraWilhelm wrote...
And saying its 'school-girl' behaviour is honestly just offensive. There are thousands and thousands of adults that face issues like this everyday, and cant help it. Its not immature and school-girl, its miserable and stems from a difficult life, not one of them wish to have such poor confidence and disregarding it as immaturity is just awful.

My opinions are offensive and awful? You must have misunderstood me. I'm not implying the behaviour is immature, just not likely in a man with Joker's level of self-control. We all agree that he has barriers, and that he's emotionally guarded. He's not going to let any defences down when he admit's his feelings for Shepard. He'll be raising more and more defences. This is why I suggested he would get slightly confrontational. He will wrap himself up in preparation for a rejection. This feels like a natural and Joker-like reaction. Standing there, stripped bare of the shields he usually carries, heart on his sleeve and "uhm"-ing seems highly unlike him, and it also feels like a reaction more common in women.

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Yes you might be aware of blushing fidgeting etc once you start doing it, but only once you start. No one would willingly behave like that, you might raise a hand to begin biting your nails and THEN put it back down, but it still happens. He's self aware, yes, in the sense that he might over-analyze every situation hes in, every sentence he and other people say, everything he could have done better etc. its different when it comes to himself.

And Trapper raises a good point, using humour to depreciate the situation is also very likely, but it all stems from the same feelings and wanting to make a joke of things he finds difficult to deal with.

Of course his interpretation of his own behaviour is going to be different to how he sees others. But this doesn't mean that he doesn't see himself at all in the moment. I do believe that he's quite retrospective, but when I say he's self-aware, I mean he's always thinking about what he's doing and saying. He's very, very conscious of his actions. 

But AGAIN, this is MY opinion, and I didn't mean for it to be offensive, I'm merely saying, the way you talk about Joker makes me think of a girl, not a grown man who has -- despite lots of pain, trauma and non-believers (shuun) -- dedicated his life to flying military ships.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Emotionally-retarded really isn't the term I'd use, but socially inept...oh yeah. Speaking from military experience, I can assure both Nam and Fenris that the military is rife with social ineptitude. You can't be psychologically and socially unstable, this is true, but socially inept is a totally different story. I'd imagine this is a universal thing, because especially the more technical fields such as R&D, cyber warfare tend to attract the nerdy engineers and flying tends to attract both the nerdy engineers and ADD dreamers (<---me). This is a quality that crosses cultural and national boundaries. I will also note that I have seen many people who are excellent leaders who fall on their faces at formal dinners, and those who navigate the crowd with an incredible mastery but don't inspire their troops to do squat.

Fenris brings up a good point that Joker has a lot of self-control, which he has to. Speaking as a pilot of private aircraft, you MUST have it if you want to fly anything. However, I agree with Nam that he can't completely quash the urge to fidget. Even the person who is most self-controlled is prone to slip ups and physiological signs of attraction and lust, which can include involuntary fidgeting (even if it is a tiny bit and not all that noticeable, which is what I'd imagine Joker doing more than the obvious fidgeting thing) and blushing. Note that this is physiological, not psychological. One can control these reactions to an extent, but most of it is purely subconscious and due to our animal instincts. The only people that I can think of that can control these kinds of minute physiological responses and have fine-tuned their body language that much are professional spies. Before anyone comes down on my head on that one, do know that I'm in a human factors-related major, and have taken not only psychology classes, but physiology ones as well.

The way I've always seen it - and again, we all might see it differently - is that Joker has a barrier built up around him that consists of sarcasm and humor. He doesn't reveal to you anything he doesn't want you to know - especially any kind of insecurity - and that is because he has probably spent the majority of his life fighting against those who want to discredit him for his disability. I mean, could you imagine having a dream to fly with Vrolik's? Even in the 22nd century it he had to have been darned determined to get to where he is, and he probably built up a thick skin against numerous nay-sayers. But, even though he's very careful about what he reveals to everyone, I can't imagine anyone not getting a bit tongue-tied (eventually, anyway) around someone they really like. Granted, if it was just a passing fancy, I could imagine Joker would be able to keep it under wraps. But if someone really gets to you, they get to you.

Hopefully that makes sense...

In the end, Joker is a very multi-faceted person, and I don't even think we've scratched the surface on what we know for sure about him.

[SarEnyaDor]

Remember in ME1 when you said you wanted to get to know your people and he jumped down your throat about being the best damn pilot anywhere and you said "Sorry, Joker, I didn't even know you were sick" and how embarassed and defensive he was?



Yeah, that man has issues that eat at him that he can't quite always control. He was obviously just waiting for you to question whether or not he should be your pilot because of his condition that it never even crossed his mind that someone might just want to get to know him in general without there being some underlying reason.



I, personally, would like to be able tohave my femShep tell Joker that she punched that door button because the thought of him not making it because of her was worse than the thought of herself dying when/if it is ever actually addressed. Think that would be a good opening for Joker to come clean and admit his undying love.

[FenrisDeSolar]

Look, I haven't said that Joker wouldn't show ANY signs of nervousness or that he wouldn't fidget at all. I've only meant that he wouldn't intentionally show it, and I think he'd keep it under tabs. If he got more comfortable around Shepard, he might be really fumbly or something, but as SarEnyaDor pointed out, pretty much in the first conversation you have with him, he jumps at your throat. He IS confrontational. But not because he's a dick. That's a survival instinct. He's protecting himself from emotional hurt by issuing the first bite. This is a part of him we HAVE seen and should acknowledge. Considering that flying is his life, he probably feels really threatened every time he's put under a new captain, because one day someone could say they don't want him on their ship because of his vrolik's.

I actually really like that idea, Sar -- about telling him why Shepard pressed the button. Although it's a lot sappier than what I usually like.

Modifié par FenrisDeSolar, 27 décembre 2010 - 03:24 .

[Dan the Man with a Plan]

seth green is awesome

[Corephyfish]

Just wondering if anyone here was willing to do a commission for me? I've some some pretty awesome art and I'm willing to pay Strictly ME of course

EDIT: ALso does anyone have any idea why i'm not able to get screenshots? I used to be able to on my desktop but when I press prt scrn and try to copy paste it it's just black. I've looked in the screenshot folders and everything and it is very confuzzling.

Modifié par slydfoxxy, 27 décembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[Sorrel]

Woa chicquitas, woa.
We're finally having a discussion in here that doesn't involve Joker's Vrolik's; Let's keep it that way without ripping each other to shreds, eh?

edit:
@slydfoxxy: do describe further, and how many credits are on offer?

Modifié par Sorrel, 27 décembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[Trapper_920]

slydfoxxy wrote...
EDIT: ALso does anyone have any idea why i'm not able to get screenshots? I used to be able to on my desktop but when I press prt scrn and try to copy paste it it's just black. I've looked in the screenshot folders and everything and it is very confuzzling.

Try looking for Fraps and use that. I'll look into it a bit more because their should be a way without the other program. Let me know what OS your running because this will install different between XP and Vista/Win 7.

[Sorrel]

Isn't like, F11 'Take Screenshot' or something? Pretty sure it is.



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[Trapper_920]

Yea well the last time I tried in ME2 which has been several months now. The game did not take screen shots and I don't remember there being an option to enable it via settings menu. Some game do that and unless you go edit a ini file they don't take screens even though they may install with a folder for them.

[CDRSkyShepard]

I agree with Trapper, try Fraps. There's a free version of it that also does 30-second clips as well.

Ah yes, we do get just a bit passionate when debating Joker, don't we...? XD

[Reptilian Rob]

Sorrel wrote...

Lots of people in the KAAS have done 'reunion' pictures or pictures using the shot of Earth from the ME3 trailer to show their Sheps and Kaidan hugging.
I think that's pretty cute, so I whipped out my massive Photoshop dong and made one of my Shep and Joker. I did the best I could to make the figures look like they belong.

Sure, it's not as 'impactful' as that hug scene is, but I like to think that a knowing look says just as much.

Best photoshop ever? I think so! <3

[Sorrel]

Awww Reptilian Rob, YOU FLATTER ME.

Also what are you doing in here? Aren't you all about the Garrus?

[Sandbox47]

Yay for Joker romance! Or at least more dialogue for him. He's most most interesting person to talk to and he has the least to say. Though I'm Liara/Tali/Garrus person I would still like to see Joker more involved. A lot more involved. Please? BioWare?

[Sorrel]

I've been drawing again.





I'll finish it when it's not 4am. I could just as easily wake up and decide I actually hate it and start again but you know.

[Reptilian Rob]

Sorrel wrote...

Awww Reptilian Rob, YOU FLATTER ME.
Also what are you doing in here? Aren't you all about the Garrus?

Doesn't mean I can't like other charcters as well! Joker being one of them.

[Corephyfish]

Hey Sorrel,

I can't wait to see what you do, I forgot to mention that there should definitely be a Joker card somewhere in their deck lol. I'm still only learning to draw, I just can't seem to get shading right!

I love that picture above, I was thinking of asking you to do something intimate like that for me but everyone does that and I want them in a situation where they are companions as well as intimate

Modifié par slydfoxxy, 28 décembre 2010 - 06:41 .

[Trapper_920]

If shading is your issue foxxy I hope you don't mind but I consider you gifted. I have trouble with hands, feet and faces. I try redrawing them a few times then usually end up tossing the project.

[jillyfae]

@Sorrel: Your Joker art is loverly. (Though Bailie always looks so sad in her screenshots... *sniffles*)

@Fenris: Describing Joker as totally lacking the flight half of the flight/fight instinct? Genius. Totally fixed a scene I was having trouble with in my fic. Thanks.

And I can't draw beyond stick figures, so everything anyone has ever posted? Impresses me. And makes me happy. Yay for artistic peoples. ^_~

[CDRSkyShepard]

Sorrel, I really hope you didn't decide you disliked your artwork this morning...'cause I love it. I wish I could draw that well on paper, let alone on tablet. I did, however, help my tattoo artist come up with my tattoo design and did a sketch of the Normandy on some printer paper to help him get started. So I guess I have no room to complain, lol.

Awww...I get the intense urge to squee whenever I look back at that picture.