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[Biotic_Warlock]

And Shep will say... inspired by Mordin...

"Thought i was harmless did you?"

[carilynn46]

I give my support 100% to a joker romance or more dialogue... a slight more for the romance though lol just because he has been with you longer then any of the crew memebers and there is a lot you really don't know about him or about the past two years shep was gone... besides the fact that it sucked and you are a downer cause you died.... saving him....

[Melissa Russell]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Isn't it just the leg which is unstable?

Yes.  His Vrolik's only effects his legs.

[Erode_The_Soul]

People act like if we get a Jokermance, we're just going to rip the poor boy from his chair, slam him up against the wall and force him to...."break his pelvis." <_<

Personally, I would love to see a Jokermance in the same vein as the Carth romance from KOTOR, but with maybe a smidge more physical interaction (hand holding, a kiss, etc). I would actually prefer they NOT do a cheesy love scene, and explore a different type of romance, because the love scenes always seem awkward.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

People act like if we get a Jokermance, we're just going to rip the poor boy from his chair, slam him up against the wall and force him to...."break his pelvis." <_<

Personally, I would love to see a Jokermance in the same vein as the Carth romance from KOTOR, but with maybe a smidge more physical interaction (hand holding, a kiss, etc). I would actually prefer they NOT do a cheesy love scene, and explore a different type of romance, because the love scenes always seem awkward.

I agree, a romantic dinner... in thecaptains 1/4's a little romantic music...

[Melissa Russell]

Here, here, Erode!

AM50 wrote...

Jeff "Joker" Moreau:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/956769

Check it out! We got linked on a banner bar thread.

[Rhia87]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

People act like if we get a Jokermance, we're just going to rip the poor boy from his chair, slam him up against the wall and force him to...."break his pelvis." <_<

Personally, I would love to see a Jokermance in the same vein as the Carth romance from KOTOR, but with maybe a smidge more physical interaction (hand holding, a kiss, etc). I would actually prefer they NOT do a cheesy love scene, and explore a different type of romance, because the love scenes always seem awkward.

AMEN. Well, mostly. I'm hardly going to complain if we get to sex up the pilot. But I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we got lots of flirty dialogue, getting to know each other better, and then making out on the bridge. But yeah, I think for majority of people here, it's not about getting to sleep with Joker, it's about getting to have a deeper relationship with him. Sex would just be icing on the cake.

[Slukers]

Brahlis wrote...

Femshep would literally break his pelvis.

Dude, femshep will let him take control... he knows what he can handle.

[Biotic_Warlock]

I would guess mordin will have to say something about the Joker romance.

[Wynne]

Foe Paw--I absoLUTEly support a Chakwas option. She's an older woman which has NEVER been done before, she's beautiful and fit, she's experienced in all the right ways, she's a doctor which is attractive in the first place; all those sexy moments of patching up wounded bulging muscles. And she's appealingly lonely.  Every time I play a DudeShep, I've wanted him to just reach over, take her in his arms, and kiss her. I adore Dr. Chakwas in a platonic way, so I would LOVE to make her happy with some tender moments with Torran or Mal.

[quote]slydfoxxy wrote...

It could be one of those epiphany moments in ME3 like: "Wow, I never realised how much Joker has been there for me and stuck by me through everything, maybe there's something there..."
I could totally see Joker having unrequited love for Femshep but never saying anything because 'she is a hero of the galaxy' and he's just some lowly pilot, he might think he isnt good enough for her. And Femshep showing interest would blow him away, I could see this as a very good unexplored romance if Bioware does it right, I just hope they read this and take everything that everyone says into consideration.
As always, if its not for you you dont have to pursue the relationships.
PS: As I think someone mentioned already, if they can bring Shep back from the dead, they could make Jokers bones stronger and I don't think a full on love scene would be Joker's style anyway, it'd probably be more like Thane's.[/quote]
NOOOOOOO DON'T SAY THAT!!! I mean, say all the rest of it, but DON'T say no love scene!!! If we get no love scene then some people will be like, "Meh, they just kissed. I wouldn't want to romance somebody who can't do more than kiss" and we'll have to fight all sorts of nonsense, much like the EDI/Chakwas romance and the bones breaking jokes! Thane's and Garrus's scenes were sweet in their way, but there was no reason not to show a little passion between the characters in Thane's case, with him taking that damned jacket off and sweeping Shepard into his arms. And there is even LESS reason not to have Joker, a human, in a similar position.

I want Shepard climbing slowly on top of Joker. I want to see his eyes widen like he just won the friggin' lottery and he just can't believe it. And I want to see them lying comfortably in bed together afterwards with expressions of non-pain so that no one can say "lol all his bones broke and he had to go to the med bay." Grrrr. Actually, I could live without the climbing, but I want to see his face, I want kissing a la the Thane romance, but I also want to see naked shoulders and arms wrapped around each other. Post-bliss snuggling in bed is important. Well. I think so. *wonders abashedly whether she's just hornier than most people* I mean, I'm a romantic, but I'm not the type who can separate the love/sex categories. I want both, and lots of 'em. I wouldn't feel like my Shepard and Joker were truly happy unless they both had deep emotional interactions (even if it's subtle, cloaked underneath humor) AND got gloriously naked together. Not like porn, I just want them to seem naked so I'm not thinking "How silly, lying in bed with your clothes on after you just had sex..." even if you don't see bum or side boob as in ME1, nor unzipping or gyrating as in ME2. Nudity is part of intimacy in my book. It's something you don't do with everyone, so it feels more like closeness to me. So I want them to be naked even though I don't really want to see them naked, if that makes sense. *wonders now whether she's being far too candid* I mean, Joker deserves some action if ANYBODY in the ME universe does. Right? Right?

Well, moving on to other things... ahem. Well, I LOVE your graphic. That is simply awesome. So is the Joker Face one. *giggles* Like Razz, I'm gonna reply to the EDI posts only with the Facepalm from now on! And you & Razz's combo with the gun pic--also insanely awesome. God, this thread is FULL OF AWESOME. (And sadly, a few moments of incredibly predictable trolling and/or misinformation. We really need an FAQ for the front page.)

[quote]RAZZberree wrote...

I hope that Bioware sees this too, and at least considers it. I've said before, if the reason for a non-romance with Joker is because Seth Green doesn't want to do lines, I'm cool with that...[/quote]
Hey, but that's not gonna happen! Why would he be all like, "No, I don't want to voice these lines because they're romantic..."? Seriously, most people give actors way too much credit for sway in these things. The actors get paid. They don't call the shots, they just read what's on the paper. They might ad-lib sometimes and it might get used, but it's not like Bioware's people are gonna sit down with him in the recording booth and be like, "Okay, here are these fifty lines we wrote for a Joker romance," and he's gonna be all like, "Meh, I don't like that. Don't wanna do it, even though I've made out with strangers in my acting career I don't want to say 'I love you' to a hot badass heroine in a video game," and they're gonna be like, "Well, okay. We'll just rip up this contract and throw away these lines, then. No biggie." Also, Seth Green actually sounded like he was COMPLAINING in that video with the cast. "Joker's only romance is with the ship? *sarcasm* Thanks..." I'm pretty sure he's on our side here... Granted, he'd love to make out with Tricia Helfer, but I bet he'd still enjoy Joker being able to get it on with a LadyShep! How many people have thought that if their best friend was the other gender, then they could become more than friends?

lea.l--I saw that ending, too... BROKE MY FREAKING HEART.  I want to get to know that Joker better! If this is what they've been intending all along; if the reason you don't see Joker's heartbreak and survivor's guilt over losing Shepard is that he's had deep feelings he just didn't want to show but couldn't hold in when he loses you (whether as a friendship thing or a romance thing)... I will be so thrilled I think I will go up to Canada and hug EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT BIOWARE. Or at least as many as I can before security arrives.
 
[quote]IstTyrr wrote...

My ONLY and MOST EARNEST wish throughout the story was to be able to get closer to Joker, to finally be able to experience his personality and depth of thought behind the heavy mask of a simple comic relief device.
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He is for me, the single character in any game I've played so far that can pack so much character under a thin disguise of cheerful immaturity, that after two whole games I still don't seem to fully understand him.
I'm glad that finally proper attention is drawn to him and hopefully it will have the desired effect. If *we* (his fans) do not speak, *he* will never be heard. He will pass on to the history of gaming as just another comic character.[/quote]
QFT. QFMFT! I am severely hoping that the reason they hid Joker's feelings about Shepard's death is for a payoff in the third game... I would be over the damned moon if that was the case. But I'm worried. I don't know what the writers are thinking, whether they did this intentionally or whether they're just thinking "funny guy who's a friend." I mean, I love the friendship elements... but I want something deeper than that to be on the table. Even if it's just seeing his deeper emotions, I would accept that, but I would really like to see more. I was glad he had an expanded role... I hope that's a progression to making him an even closer friend in ME3, someone with whom more can form if Shepard and Joker start to think of each other that way.

The darker ending to ME2 is a good foreshadowing of this sort of thing... but you shouldn't have to die in order to know he truly cares! I want the chance to get closer to Joker. To really, really talk about this stuff. The last thing I want is for him to just be relegated to the funny friend role. If it's merely platonic, then I want it to be serious platonic love shown onscreen with full-on bromancey tears, not just implied and only seen if you die!

He's too cool a character for that.

[quote]RAZZberree wrote...

He merely brushes off your death, claims a simple 'hell yeah they let me fly' (and he didn't know about the actual Normandy till the night prior). The more I think about it, the more I'm sure Bioware did this purposely, I feel like over-analyzing the situation so I shall. Shepard's death is, most likely, still a very fresh wound. Two years seems like a long time, but for something like that, it takes longer to heal and I'm sure just because Shepard's alive, doesn't mean it's closed up. From what we know about Jeff, he deflects any and everything with dry sarcasm, only showing a mildly 'softer' side when it seems appropriate (pretty much...only after Virmire and...when you die). My favorite moment with Joker was after the crew gets taken and he expreses his anger about the situation by yelling at you. (Sorely interrupted by EDI, I like being yelled at by my crew, seems realistic...) That made me hurt, because you honestly don't know if he means it or not, even if he says he doesn't. (And trust me I would have left the people with the better guns, but EDI and Miranda made me take a shuttle and my entire squad for some stupid reason! D,[/quote]
Yeah, that was actually pretty lame! I hate cutscene incompetence. Joker blaming you for something that you had no control over, for going off and doing--what the HELL were you doing ANYWAY?--was weird and lame; they should've given you some kind of awesome mission to do where you only find out afterwards see what happened on the ship. Or something. And the whole brushing off your death thing--I hated that SO much, that they didn't capitalize on their own awesome opener! Nobody really pays attention to the whole "you died" thing, not even the guy who SAW you die!!! I am hoping against hope that it will turn out that they hid his reaction specifically for the payoff in ME3 when he finally, brokenly confesses how he felt seeing that. That he suppressed it all. 

P.S.--I had all my crew die except Dr. Chakwas, too. *sheepish commiserating face* So I know exactly how you feel about that! I was relying on the conventions of games, and then everyone DIED, and the Doc was brokenly reproaching me and FemShep was saying in anguish that she needed more time to prepare and I watched Kelly die right in front of me and... and... *relives the trauma* That was so freaking sad. I saved my whole squad but not my crew!

[quote]RAZZberree wrote...

Of course with how my Shep is, she'd have been like 'Lieutenant, as commanding officer the first person to take off their pants in this ship would be me...you know, duty and all.' See she's funny, because she manages to keep rank while breaking it! [/quote]
*cracking up big time* I LOVE THAT LINE! God, if the writers are watching, I SWEAR they have to make a joke about it... too good to resist. Also, you are SO RIGHT about Alistair. I mean, he was goofy, innocent, and sweet... and look how well he went over! Joker wouldn't be Alistair, but he has a similar appeal in the sense that women LOVE a sense of humor. A guy who can make you laugh is showing that he's intelligent and real and fun all at the same time. Plus, he's just such a normal guy; Jacob and Kaidan feel like beta males, which isn't bad exactly but just... I don't know, I hate thinking "alpha vs. beta vs. omega"; I hate having a pack mentality pop into my head like that. With Joker, I can't categorize him and I like that. He's just... Joker.

I'm also in complete agreement about Thane (and Ash! She was so my BFF.) He's great if you like drama... and I do in some contexts, the whole dying part was interesting if not the unappealing family issues, but there's one thing I like more than drama--realism. Joker is the only character in the entire series which makes me feel like he's so real and authentic I could meet somebody like him in real life. He looks and acts like a normal guy with his head on straight, with no tragic or dramatic past that could fit in a romance novel. His story is the player's story, in a way. He's always close at your side, and he has a vital role to play, but he's not obtrusive. He's a part of Shepard's life, not just her crew.

[quote]SelphieSK wrote...
Am I the only one who thinks that Joker would be scared ****-less if Shep were to voice feelings for him? I mean, has he ever been with a woman before anyway?[/quote]
I do wonder about that! It's a very interesting question to ponder. He did say "This is why I don't date crew" over your relationship with Kaidan, so I think he's definitely dated before, but then again he could've been saying that just to seem normal. I'm really not sure, but he seems mature enough, so I'd say he's had some sort of relationship before... maybe it eventually dissolved because of his condition. That'd be pretty sad. Maybe he got emotionally burned by someone who wanted wild sex, or who just wanted something other than he could be as a person. I'd like to find out.

[quote]Tooneyman wrote...

I'm not going to lie if they do the Romance option with him. They  would really need to think about how the dialogue would be placed. It couldn't be just, Oh hey joker baby how you doing? What to do the dirty like in the garrus romance.  [/quote]
Ohhhhhh they'd so better not do that!!! *glowers off into the distance, remembering the mostly-flopped Garrus romance* I'd almost rather they NOT do ANYTHING than give us a booty call Joker thing. Thank goodness Joker's the same species so it can't be about being a pervy turian fancier or something. *bites back a rant about how nobody would want to do Garrus for reasons other than his personality and voice besides the whole uncanny valley factor*

Like Rhia said, Joker's got that wall o' sarcasm to hide behind. It will be hard to break through that wall. I don't think it necessarily has to be as dramatic as the idea you had, but it easily could work that way. I think if she needed him, if she was really broken and scared and emotional, Joker would be there for Shepard.

Also, I can't tell you how much I love the idea of no-grav sex with Joker.

[quote]Trapper_920 wrote...

If I was female I'd be all over him ... I cant see any reason to not like any of his ... charming features.

That totally sounded gay didn't it... yea that sounded gay....[/quote]
No it didn't. You're in a thread mostly full of chicks who like Joker, not 14-year-old straight boys who scream the other f-word at the slightest provocation. You do nothing but win points with us by saying things like that. I've felt the same way about a number of female characters. Like, "If I were gay/born a guy, I'd be all over that." Theory is not fact; appreciation doesn't determine orientation. Hell, Aethyta (the asari bartender on Illium) is one of those for me. She's so cool that I almost want to hit that! And I think a lot of straight chicks kinda wished Jack was an option, so believe me, you're not likely to be mocked around here, just welcomed and admired.   I totally agree with what you said later about why it would be rewarding. I love the idea of this tough woman with a guy who probably never thought he'd have a chance with her, but who sees something in him that no one else does and feels this easy bond with him. It's incredibly romantic.

[quote]Blue Walrus wrote...

[quote]RAZZberree wrote...

I blame my lifelong obsession with guys that are completely cocky, arrogant and very self-assured and confident. Also, pilots. [/quote]

Smart, witty, emotionally guarded, extremely- talented-and-always-has-to-let-you-know-it jerk with a heart of gold?  That's like my ideal man. [/quote]
Sounds like we're all in the same boat, here... I mean, seriously, he's like a non-murderous Atton with a far less tragic backstory who is much less smoking hot! *sheepish face* Well, not that I don't find Joker attractive, I absolutely do, but it's not because I'm drooling over how  incredibly gorgeous he is like a lot of us were over Thane (who is odd-looking, but so brilliantly designed and visually appealing nonetheless!) Joker, on the other hand... he's just adorable. He has very nice eyes, he looks attractive enough in an average sorta way but... I don't know. It makes him... approachable? You look at Joker and see the boy next door, sort of. He's just so real, so down to earth; not a glamorous hot model guy, but so cool in personality and so very well-voiced that you can't resist liking him.

Atton--for me his facial features, and Gann's, for that matter, and of course Thane's--that physical element was important. A distinct part of the appeal. Joker, for me, transcends my normal preferences... I like his eyes, I like his look, but I couldn't just stare at him with a smile on my face until I giggle and feel like a teenager all over again. I just feel this warm affection for the character. I just feel this connection between him and Shepard which is so compelling, so emotional, so real and filled with humor and tragedy and mutual respect and friendship and--life. Just life. In some ways, the Shepard/Joker connection is THE SINGLE MOST COMPELLING, NUANCED, AND MULTI-FACETED RELATIONSHIP IN THE ENTIRE GAME. Even better than MaleShep/Jack or Shepard/Anderson, and that's saying something, because I freaking adore Anderson; I just want to hug him all the time and I cheer him on practically every second he is speaking; my Colonist Shepards (one male, one female) both think of him as being as close to a father as they have after losing their real dad.

But Joker... he was able to be at your side the whole time, and that makes the bond between the characters incredibly moving. Even just as a friendship... but as a romance it would probably be the best romance ever in a game. Ever. EVER. Simply because of how powerfully it could be built up, and possibly already has been being built up. If that makes any sense.

[quote]Blue Walrus wrote...
And besides, KotOR started a proud tradition (for me) of protagonists who sleep with their pilots, and I'd hate to see a good thing ruined.[/quote]
*lol* LET IT BE SO!!! It's sort of ironic that Joker and Kaidan were basically the first characters Shepard meets in-game... both in the pilot seats, and yet Joker blew Kaidan away from the very first moments in my book. I came away from that convo far more intrigued with Joker.

[quote]Trapper_920 wrote...

[quote]Rhia87 wrote...

Heh. Or he limps into the medbay and demands pain meds from Chakwas. "What the hell did you do, Joker?" "Trust me, doc, you don't want the details. Suffice to say I'm going to be coming back here a LOT in the future so make sure you keep my meds in stock, kay?"
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LMAO [/quote]
*rolls on the floor in a fit of squealy giggles* THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT SHOULD BE!!! Oh, God... WHERE'S MY JOKER ROMANCE? *lol* COME ON, KARPYSHYN, WALTERS, WEEKES! MAKE OUR COLLECTIVE DAY! (We will LOVE you for it!)

[quote]RAZZberree wrote...

You do realize that there's more to a romance than sex right? Personally I'd love to see one without a sex scene. I would love to see them go back to KoTOR or even take a leaf out of Star Wars and do a romance that's not focused on getting into bed. Leia and Han had a romance that didn't involve sex, at all.
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I want to see something like that with Joker, where they can connect on an emotionally significant level rather than be spurned by lust and sex. And Bioware can do it. I'd be completely content with my Shepard not 'jumping his bones'.[/quote]
Heh... try the Garrus romance; it's the exact opposite of what you'd expect. All starts out with sex talk and has a bit of friendly talk mixed in, then you end up doing nothing more than having a short, cute conversation and touching foreheads onscreen. I kinda facepalmed just from the weird contrariness of that. Like, "All this time they're awkwardly talking about sex and lube to the point where Garrus creeps himself out right in front of you, with a bit of 'moments just for us before the galaxy explodes' thrown in which becomes his only line for a long time, and you talk with Mordin about stress relief and all this stuff, and NOW IT GETS BRIEFLY SWEET AND ROMANTIC?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" I mean, the appeal of Garrus was NEVER sex. NEVER. It was pretty much all Keener's voice acting and the writing that made him endearing. I'm a Garrus fan... but I didn't get what I wanted with Garrus, not by half. I was ultimately depressed by the ME2 interactions, even though I fiercely loved the writing and characters. Thane has his Carthesque backstory and half his talk is about his family as well as his sidequest forcing you to get involved with his deadbeat dad syndrome, Jacob has hot abs and that made me happy but despite being a decent character (if a bit too similar to Kaidan in vague ways) he is more a booty call than anything else, Garrus is this weird interspecies copulation thing, and STILL NO JOKER, the one I wanted most anyway. It just makes you feel like, "where's the romance in my female romances?" You get it more with Thane than anyone else, but you have to endure a lot of talk about this whole other life he had without you, rather than getting to know him personally. And he comes in so late in the game anyway; much later than the combination friendship + booty call options.

I liked it better in ME1, where the intimacy scene felt like two characters making a connection that made both their hearts beat faster. It was a bit steamy, a bit spicy, but it felt like it grew out of their emotions, NOT out of being horny. This time... well, a number of the romances felt empty. More of FemShep's options felt that way to me than MaleShep's options, which was all the more ironic. Whatever happened to that handy stereotype about women preferring romance to sex? Never thought I'd miss it.

So I sympathize with the whole "sex isn't the important part with Joker" line--I would rather have a sexless romance than something like what happened with Garrus, where it was mostly a bit of talk about sex and then finally turned into something sweet--but that's not at all the ideal scenario for me. I'd rather take something like the Paragon-style Jack romance, where it's all emotional interactions in the beginning--the character throws EVERYthing at you, even sex (hint: taking that option early is a BAD idea if you want more than just sex), to try to keep you away from their heart; with Joker it would be a barrage of sarcasm, humor, and everyday chatting--and then comes the breakdown, where they can't keep what they're feeling inside anymore. Where both characters are feeling too much to pretend anymore. Where the tenderness and the emotion just... flows.

The sex scene... it's the icing on the romance cake. With Garrus, it was like, mushroom-icing, mushroom-icing, small cake crumbs, mushroom-icing, SUDDEN CAKE. Overflowing weird icing; sudden, inexplicable cake. Joker's romance should be like Jack's romance only longer; a sea of deceptively bland yet strangely intriguing and surprisingly tasty cake with just a hint of molasses and bitterness and then finally, a truly intense icing full of dark chocolate and a symphony of beautiful flavors. Like mandarin orange and cloves and... and stuff.

I don't want Shepard to jump Joker's bones exactly... but I do want there to be an eventual tender and oh-so-gentle climbing onto of Joker's bones. We know his bones are fragile, like his heart. I'm perfectly happy being very gentle in both cases. I want there to be some spice, but spice by itself just gives you a bad stomachache. You have to put it in a nice, tasty pie of solid, realistic human interactions. As much as I'd like to see a full-on romance with all the trimmings, I'd rather Joker be a mere friendship than another awkward set of flirtations culminating in sex. "Do it well, or not at all" is my advice.

[quote]SarEnyaDor wrote...

They HAVE to fix the relationship issue because it is so poorly done in this game, it makes me weep. They had it better in ME1 even, though again with Kaidan and Liara if you were nice they both thought you wanted them. (Um, your mom died, I sort of shot her alot, thought talking was the LEAST I could do...)
Paragon friend, Renegade screw you, neutral, and flirting - no more trampy Jacob talks, no more Jack thinking I'm a lesbian, no more Leli accusing me of leading her on when I really love Alistair, etc.[/quote]
I so emphatically agree. This needs fixing, big time. I mean, there needs to be clear romantic content--and NOT clear because of sex talk. I loved Jack to death; I wanted to make it clear she was like a sister to me... my main Shepard's a Mindoir colonist, she knows something about screwed-up existences and loss and she understood Jack; she lost a friend on Virmire, she wanted to comfort Jack, not hump her. It made me so sad when Jack took that the wrong way and I couldn't say anything about it.

[quote]TerribleTruth wrote...

Then the problem is for the male fans. They add all this new dialogue for their favourite character but it's all romance stuff. Want to talk to Garrus as a male? Too bad, he's calibrating.[/quote]
*hisses in no-longer-repressed nerd rage* WANT TO TALK TO GARRUS AS A FEMALE? TOO BAD, HE'S ALSO CALIBRATING!!!!! CALIBRATING THE STUPID GUNS FOREVER!!!!!!!! EVEN IF YOU DO ROMANCE HIM INSTEAD OF JACOB OR THANE, WHO HAVE THE SAME DAMNED CHIRALITY AS YOU AND ACTUAL LIPS TO KISS WITHOUT FEAR OF ANAPHYLACTIC SHOCK ANYWAY, THE BEST YOU GET IS TWO SLEAZY, AWKWARD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT ON AND A PRE-SUICIDE MISSION FOREHEAD TOUCH, THAT'S IT! I--*takes a deep, slow breath of calming self-control* No, the frustration isn't caused by you, but you did provide perfect rant fuel by saying something so lame about something incredibly frustrating to a number of female Garrus fans, which you obviously didn't even bother to think about very carefully. If you really wanted to see "all this new dialogue for your favorite character" you could play a female, but if you ask me, it's not even worth it except for Brandon Keener's acting and the very slight flesh it gives to Garrus' character.

Take a friggin' look.

The only content STRICTLY FOR FEMALES starts TWO MINUTES IN. Cut out all the males-see-it-too-content with Garrus. Know what that comes to? About FOUR MINUTES, most of which is EXTREMELY weird and even sort of creepy. It's about as long as the Tali romance except most of it is cringe-inducing rather than sweet, romantic, and adorable. Oh, yes, those annoying FemShep players, we ruined everything, right? Please criticize what you have actually SEEN. "All this new dialogue..." yeah, like "all this new dialogue" you got with Kaidan and Ashley in ME2.

Not that it's appropriate here in a thread about JOKER, but you should if anything criticize the lack of deeper friendships and relationships overall, NOT the mere presence of a few awkward lines of dialogue that even most FemShep players probably won't have seen on their first playthrough. That's something we could all get. If you're not a troll, that's what you'd want anyway, to contribute a reasonable statement to the discussion which others can sympathize with and maybe even agree with.

The lack of Garrus content in ME2 after his recruitment mission is noticeable overall, regardless of which gender you play. I found that very surprising and it's one of the few things in ME2 that gave me a truly disappointed feeling. Of all people, Garrus and Tali should have the MOST to say, being your oldest friends and squadmates. At least it takes a while to get Tali so it doesn't feel so empty.

The solution is not to shout down all fans of romances with great characters (you'll never win anyway) but to simply make the friendships more prevalent in the game. Any good romance is based on friendship in the first place. They should make you feel connected to all the characters first and foremost; otherwise, the romance just feels tacked on and out of the blue anyway. 

So really, there's no point in making enemies of people who were in many cases just as upset as you about the lack of Garrus content, or even more so. Not the slightest point whatsoever.

[quote]Rhia87 wrote...

I wanted to talk with Garrus more, but not about stress-release techniques or gun calibration. But hopefully the devs will be aware of a general dissatisfaction with that relationship dynamic and will include friendship conversation paths. I'm of the opinion that the romance option should be a little harder to get, or at least shouldn't be the default option. You know, have Friendly/I should go/Jerk on the right side of the dialogue wheel, then maybe Nice Flirting/Creepy Flirting on the left side. Or something, I'm not quite sure what would go on the lower-left side of the dialogue wheel. So that the default stuff is just being friends, at least to start, and the romance option is literally another path you take with that character.[/quote]
I hope so. I really hope so. I want the left side to be more like "I want love" at the top and "I want some benefits to come with our friendship", if anything. The bottom could be very short and end in nothing interesting; the top could be deeper and more serious. That would eliminate the need for sleazy, awkward flirting.

Although, the "just making sure I won't get my ass shot off if I hit on you" line from FemShep to Jacob was fun. You could be so much more subtle with Jacob than Garrus. *sigh*

Modifié par Wynne, 21 février 2010 - 12:35 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

Help me! that's the longest post in existance!

[JrayM16]

I'd like Joker as a potential romcance for my femshep.

[Wynne]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Help me! that's the longest post in existance!

*sheepish smile* Welcome to the wonderful world of Wynne's walls of text. If they ever fall down, they will bury all of civilization in an avalanche of geeky, girly, occasionally nerdrage-filled words.

Pray they never fall down.

/silliness

*goes to bed because D&D starts in the morning, and after that, more college*

Modifié par Wynne, 21 février 2010 - 12:39 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

Wynne wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Help me! that's the longest post in existance!

*sheepish smile* Welcome to the wonderful world of Wynne's walls of text. If they ever fall down, they will bury all of civilization in an avalanche of geeky, girly, occasionally nerdrage-filled words.

Pray they never fall down.

/silliness

To those who say joker romance will break him physically... nevermind that and the reapers... the wall of text will end life as we know it...

[Dave the Seagull]

Hey guys, this thread looks coo-



*Breaks nose while walking into text wall*

[Biotic_Warlock]

Dave the Seagull wrote...

Hey guys, this thread looks coo-

*Breaks nose while walking into text wall*

at least it was TIM and not me...
yes, we all love joker!

[ladyshara]

Hells yeah Joker romance. I'm never going to get the good f/f romance I want so I am all for Joker. He's funny, they've got great interactions thus far. It'd be like Garrus only better. Less chafing. XD

[Wynne]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

To those who say joker romance will break him physically... nevermind that and the reapers... the wall of text will end life as we know it...

*giggles*

Y'know, sometimes I could almost believe that... I really think I must be the most long-winded person on these forums. Some people do pretty well at not being concise, but I type almost a hundred words a minute, I get going and then can't stop until I've rambled out everything I think, and when writing I think pretty fast (probably too fast to sufficiently self-edit, sometimes, which can be embarassing). Total opposite of how I am in real life, where I'm usually quiet unless I know a person very well. It's always the quiet ones, isn't it?

*giggles at Dave the Seagull and high-fives ladyshara* Welcome to the thread!

*really makes herself go to bed for now because staying on this site is all too much fun*

Modifié par Wynne, 21 février 2010 - 12:50 .

[RAZZberree]

Wynne has successfully blown my mind with her post. She now wins the internet! HOLY EFF WOMAN, you should have carpal tunnel now from that! D,:



Epic post is epic.



I've nothing intelligent or interesting to add at this moment...So... -waves awesome Jokermance support flags-

[brgillespie]

When I read through Wynne's post I kept thinking of the opening scene of Spaceballs, with the Spaceballs cruiser that went on, and on, and on, and on, and on....

[Rhia87]

Wynne, you are my hero. Seriously. You've practically written our bloody ship manifesto up there. And you managed to explain PERFECTLY why I also want there to be love scene like in past games with Joker... Both Joker and Shepard are such guarded people that to see them let down all those barriers for each other would be amazing. It's sort of like... okay, I shipped Kaidan/Shep in ME1, and the scene that really stood out for me was the locker conversation, even more so than the pre-Ilos scene. Because when they're talking there, Shepard's just hit her breaking point, she's finally letting someone in, and it's just.... I don't know. Emotionally, it really resonated for me. I want something like that, that same level of connection and emotion, for Joker and Shepard. And I think because his character has been developed over the past two games, it has the potential to be really, really well done, and really, really emotionally satisfying.



Now if only we could convince the anti-Jokermance folks to read that.

[Tok153]

So after the end LI scene does he show up in a hip cast?

[Erode_The_Soul]

Tok153 wrote...

So after the end LI scene does he show up in a hip cast?

Only if the man gets...uh....overly enthusiastic, if you catch the meaning

Seriously though, this point has been thoroughly discussed. You should read the previous pages for more info

[Rhia87]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

Tok153 wrote...

So after the end LI scene does he show up in a hip cast?

Only if the man gets...uh....overly enthusiastic, if you catch the meaning

Seriously though, this point has been thoroughly discussed. You should read the previous pages for more info

Or just read this page. We seem to address this at least once a page, honestly. If you can't read the entire thread, at least read the page you're about to post on.

[Tooneyman]

I said it once and I will say it again. My femshep will kill him so he can die a happy man. Thats all joker wants now. Besides he may die by a reaper. Why not let my femshep kill him with love instead right? Are you with me?