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[notphrog]

The lack of nudity I can handle, but the (excuse the pun here) climax of the romance subplot is lacking. I'd like to have seen more. Not necesarily the act itself (again, it isn't necesary), but why couldn't we have an after moment like in the first one? No sitting on the bed and taking two minutes to talk to each other before we go off to probably die? No "I'm glad we did this" or "we'll always have this moment?" It just hurts the believability of the scene.



On a semi-related note, yes. I want to know what a quarian looks like. Doesn't have to be Tali. But Tali would be nice.

[Palpatine77]

notphrog wrote...

The lack of nudity I can handle, but the (excuse the pun here) climax of the romance subplot is lacking. I'd like to have seen more. Not necesarily the act itself (again, it isn't necesary), but why couldn't we have an after moment like in the first one? No sitting on the bed and taking two minutes to talk to each other before we go off to probably die? No "I'm glad we did this" or "we'll always have this moment?" It just hurts the believability of the scene.

I agree totally. The love interest angle didn't work as well this time, it feels anti-climatic because after countless hours of flirting, finally Sheppard and (insert love interest here) do some are-you-ready-for-this talk, then cut to Sheppard just standing around. And what sucks is it doesn't flow right and ruins the whole romantic interest element this time around because BIoware caved in, in fear that Fox News might possibly do another 5 minute newsbit about a brief love scene in a Mature videogame. Bioware shouldn't have caved, they could've compromised and had a brief scene without nudity that's tastefully done.

[notphrog]

Palpatine77 wrote...

notphrog wrote...

The lack of nudity I can handle, but the (excuse the pun here) climax of the romance subplot is lacking. I'd like to have seen more. Not necesarily the act itself (again, it isn't necesary), but why couldn't we have an after moment like in the first one? No sitting on the bed and taking two minutes to talk to each other before we go off to probably die? No "I'm glad we did this" or "we'll always have this moment?" It just hurts the believability of the scene.

I agree totally. The love interest angle didn't work as well this time, it feels anti-climatic because after countless hours of flirting, finally Sheppard and (insert love interest here) do some are-you-ready-for-this talk, then cut to Sheppard just standing around. And what sucks is it doesn't flow right and ruins the whole romantic interest element this time around because BIoware caved in, in fear that Fox News might possibly do another 5 minute newsbit about a brief love scene in a Mature videogame. Bioware shouldn't have caved, they could've compromised and had a brief scene without nudity that's tastefully done.

Absolutely. Something that showed that the romance is more than just an unlocked dialogue tree. And it should carry over to ME3.

[Palpatine77]

(Sigh) You know, it's a shame, because Mass Effect 2 is such a great game overall, and quaility-wise it's so far beyond what most videogame developers are creating right now, yet there's a few minor complaints I have about the game (like this one) that prevent it from being a perfect game. Maybe that's what's so irritating about it, is Bioware came so close to crafting another near-perfect game and minor things like this prevent it.

[Wolverfrog]

bensmith91 wrote...

Obsidian Thirteen wrote...

Basically, our society says, seeing people shredded to bloody bits is just fine, but GOD FORBID WE SEE SOME ******!

Maybe you should move to Europe? I hear it's basically the opposite there

Pretty much.

The BBFC in England rated Mass Effect 1 as a 12.

[Pathogen69]

Palpatine77 wrote...

(Sigh) You know, it's a shame, because Mass Effect 2 is such a great game overall, and quaility-wise it's so far beyond what most videogame developers are creating right now, yet there's a few minor complaints I have about the game (like this one) that prevent it from being a perfect game. Maybe that's what's so irritating about it, is Bioware came so close to crafting another near-perfect game and minor things like this prevent it.

and despite all the minor things that couldve been done differently, the game is still years ahead of anything else thats come out.  while not every game can be perfect, bioware did a damn fine job bringing the game to life.

[Samurro]

bensmith91 wrote...
Maybe you should move to Europe? I hear it's basically the opposite there

It is kind of. For examples check sex scenes from Gothic games.

[notphrog]

Pathogen69 wrote...

Palpatine77 wrote...

(Sigh) You know, it's a shame, because Mass Effect 2 is such a great game overall, and quaility-wise it's so far beyond what most videogame developers are creating right now, yet there's a few minor complaints I have about the game (like this one) that prevent it from being a perfect game. Maybe that's what's so irritating about it, is Bioware came so close to crafting another near-perfect game and minor things like this prevent it.

and despite all the minor things that couldve been done differently, the game is still years ahead of anything else thats come out.  while not every game can be perfect, bioware did a damn fine job bringing the game to life.

Agreed. I mean Bioware did manage to up the ante in graphics, voice acting, combat, and characters.

Maybe ME3 will be even closer to perfection.

[Pathogen69]

notphrog wrote...

Pathogen69 wrote...

Palpatine77 wrote...

(Sigh) You know, it's a shame, because Mass Effect 2 is such a great game overall, and quaility-wise it's so far beyond what most videogame developers are creating right now, yet there's a few minor complaints I have about the game (like this one) that prevent it from being a perfect game. Maybe that's what's so irritating about it, is Bioware came so close to crafting another near-perfect game and minor things like this prevent it.

and despite all the minor things that couldve been done differently, the game is still years ahead of anything else thats come out.  while not every game can be perfect, bioware did a damn fine job bringing the game to life.

Agreed. I mean Bioware did manage to up the ante in graphics, voice acting, combat, and characters.

Maybe ME3 will be even closer to perfection.

we can only hope.  at least bioware has pretty much confirmed that they are going to focus more on story and whatnot now since they dont have to do a complete overhaul of the game graphics or combat wise.

[TLK Spires]

anyone can throw nudity around and think they have something appealing.



they didn't cave, they took the high road.

[Abirn]

NvVanity wrote...

I think EA had bioware not do full frontal nudity due to a few things.

1. Last time it got on Fox news.

2. Fox News likes to delve deep into stuff like this.

3. EA workers would be interviewed and say things the company doesn't want known.

4. Bad press for EA.

THe problem is simple.  Fox news is a joke that should be taken off the air. 

[sgrzadka]

are people really upset they couldnt see video game nudity?

[Abirn]

sgrzadka wrote...

are people really upset they couldnt see video game nudity?

Its not about that,  Its about the principal that fox news is getting away with being dumbasses yet again.  Its about Bioware or more specifically EA caving in to that embarassment of a "news" organization.

[bjdbwea]

Yes, "caved in" is exactly the right term. This isn't about if it's necessary to show any "details" (it isn't). Fact is, ME 1 did it tastefully and perfectly fitting, but ME 2 went a step back. It's funny that there's even an easteregg in ME 1 BdtS where BioWare made fun about that awful faked media outrage. But it still got to them and made them change, and that's very unfortunate. Yet they had no problem with intense violence in DA, as if that's morally more acceptable than showing a little skin.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 04 février 2010 - 10:05 .

[notphrog]

Pathogen69 wrote...

notphrog wrote...

Pathogen69 wrote...

Palpatine77 wrote...

(Sigh) You know, it's a shame, because Mass Effect 2 is such a great game overall, and quaility-wise it's so far beyond what most videogame developers are creating right now, yet there's a few minor complaints I have about the game (like this one) that prevent it from being a perfect game. Maybe that's what's so irritating about it, is Bioware came so close to crafting another near-perfect game and minor things like this prevent it.

and despite all the minor things that couldve been done differently, the game is still years ahead of anything else thats come out.  while not every game can be perfect, bioware did a damn fine job bringing the game to life.

Agreed. I mean Bioware did manage to up the ante in graphics, voice acting, combat, and characters.

Maybe ME3 will be even closer to perfection.

we can only hope.  at least bioware has pretty much confirmed that they are going to focus more on story and whatnot now since they dont have to do a complete overhaul of the game graphics or combat wise.

I hope so. They spent the whole of this game introducing a great cast of characters and I'd like to see more of most of them. And more story.

[Homebound]

Naltair wrote...

Blame EA all you want, I will stand by my statement that side boob was not integral to the ME1 experience.

Shepard is one bad day away from putting a bullet through his head.  You sure you want to risk it all for the lack of simple side-boob?

[TLK Spires]

sgrzadka wrote...

are people really upset they couldnt see video game nudity?

short answer: yes

long answer: yes, and in great straits.

[Samurro]

EpsilonZem wrote...

We don't even need to see anything. Nudity's not required. A LOT could have been implied by artful camera direction, etc. There was no need to tackle Turian/Drell physiology (I would say Quarian, too, but MaleSheps got a heck of a lot more in that department than FemSheps with their respective aliens.) - a hand on a bare arm, a bare human leg entangled in some bedsheets... wouldn't have taken much to get the point across.

I still would have rather had more conversation/confirmation of feelings during all of that myself... the presumed sex scenes would have been a bonus on top of that.

Good points from you, I can only sign this.

[hawat333]

Both matters was handled fine.

Tali's hidden face adds a mistery to her character. And if they'd show us, I'm sure at least one third of the Talimancers would have gone "OH, this is not how I imagined her, go to hell, I hate BioWare, I hate Tali, I hate EA, I hate Mass Effect".

And about nudity: Why? The scenes are emotional, more romantic, rather than hormon-driven.

Do we really need an onscreen ******? Not at all. The first game handled it well, the second too.

It's not a dating sim, let's keep that in mind. I don't want full nudity in it. When I want, I go and grab my wife.

[Sageless Ranger]

They should have made it similar to the fist one, not really show anything but show alot at the same time, plus it made it seem much more romantic.

[Abirn]

sex scenes are pointless if its just cold sex. There has to be a romantic connection displayed with perhaps a very very minor display of "eroticism", which doesn't even have to be nudity, ME1 did it tastefully and it should have been done that way in ME2 as well.



Nobody is asking for full on porn. I'm not even asking for sex scenes, I just want video game developers not cave in to the jokes known as fox news.

[fogofeternity]

 Find it funny that this is such an issue for some people. 

Sex scenes with nudity in ME1 were pointless. Not bad, not good, it was just largely irrelevant that they were nude. Ditto them being clothed in ME2 (though actually I think the way the Miranda scene plays out, despite a lack of full nudity, is in many ways more graphic than the soft focus of ME1).

The build up to the LI resolution is the important part. Hell, I wouldn't have any problem if they faded to black rather than tried to push a poorly put together sex scene on us (animated sex = bad. Always). It's why Tali's is the best LI resolution, because that focuses far more on her personality and nervousness as opposed to the actual sex.

Ultimately though, it's irrelevant.

And does anyone think that Bioware/EA didn't enjoy the free PR about ME1, or that it didn't improve sales? Scandal = free publicity. Thousands of teenage boys went out to buy ME1 because of the potential of a nano second of polygonal side boob after about 30 hours of play.

[BoogieManFL]

I was fine with them, but they could have made them longer and still remained tasteful.

[brightblueink]

I honestly wasn't all that crazy about the scenes in the first game. Even if you're a girl romancing Kaiden, you see more of YOURSELF naked than HIM. It's very blatantly from a male perspective and pretty annoying as a girl gamer when you're playing it.

Not that I'm demanding they have a shot of Kaiden's ass in the next game, but I liked the romance scenes in the second game better since they focused more on the emotion in the scene rather than FemShep's curves. They cut off a little too quickly, I think, and I would've liked to see an after-the-fact scene like in the first one, but I don't miss the nudity much.

I honestly don't buy the "THEY CAVED TO FOX NEWS" argument, either. You guys have no proof it was fox news that did it. I think you just want alien side boob.

[Erakleitos]

You still have your Fornex copy