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[OH-UP-THIS!]

RPG elements removed?



What the hell have I been playing, if it wasn't an RPG?



It's more RPG than FPS, by all accounts!! considering the third-person viewpoint.

[vyvexthorne]

ohupthis wrote...

RPG elements removed?

What the hell have I been playing, if it wasn't an RPG?

It's more RPG than FPS, by all accounts!! considering the third-person viewpoint.

Probably just means leveling system and inventory system were removed...since that has been the norm of role playing games for the PC.... but in all reality every game is a role playing game.. you take on a role of a character and play the game.  Mass effect is a story driven action adventure game... in comparison to PC RPG's it lacks a lot of elements that people have come to expect.

Most likely Bioware lost some people due to EA's takeover...  I'm sure the head creative people in charge of me1 did me2 but there are probably some little people missing that added a lot of elements that are being missed now.

Modifié par vyvexthorne, 04 février 2010 - 04:14 .

[KalosCast]

ohupthis wrote...

RPG elements removed?

What the hell have I been playing, if it wasn't an RPG?

It's more RPG than FPS, by all accounts!! considering the third-person viewpoint.

I didn't even consider the first one an RPG. It's a shooter with a conversations. I'm not one of those people who hold RPGs up on a pedastal that "if it's good, it must be an RPG" so that's not a detraction. It's simply... what the game is.

Or perhaps an adventure game with levels would be more accurate.

Modifié par KalosCast, 04 février 2010 - 04:16 .

[Wintermist]

They're both RPG's, what a silly thing to say.

[Default137]

vyvexthorne wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

RPG elements removed?

What the hell have I been playing, if it wasn't an RPG?

It's more RPG than FPS, by all accounts!! considering the third-person viewpoint.

Probably just means leveling system and inventory system were removed...since that has been the norm of role playing games for the PC.... but in all reality every game is a role playing game.. you take on a role of a character and play the game.  Mass effect is a story driven action adventure game... in comparison to PC RPG's it lacks a lot of elements that people have come to expect.

"RPG, or Roleplaying Game, is a type of game where you play or "roleplay" a specific character, and interact with the world through their particular viewpoint. The most prominent feature of this genre is the storyline, while some RPGs deviate from this, and form themselves up into more of an "action RPG" ( Diablo ) the vast majority of these games feature an intricate, overarching storyline, with interesting characters, each of whom has their own motivations."

I see no mention of leveling, or inventory management.

[ZennExile]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Creative freedom as long as they met the deadlines and spent ZERO money on the project.

EA: "Do whatever you think is best.. as long as it's done in 2 weeks and you spend all the development money on advertising and skip the major RPG elements because they will take too long and cost too much money, you have full creative freedom."

Not very bright are you? Specially as your claim of major RPG elements being taken out is a load of BS as I proved in 'The Little Things' topic.

You proved that you don't like RPGs and don't have a clue what RPG elements are yes.  But that doesn't really help.

[KainrycKarr]

Stop whining and go play Dragon Age. Mass Effect is Mass Effect, and most of us rather like it.

[ZennExile]

Default137 wrote...

vyvexthorne wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

RPG elements removed?

What the hell have I been playing, if it wasn't an RPG?

It's more RPG than FPS, by all accounts!! considering the third-person viewpoint.

Probably just means leveling system and inventory system were removed...since that has been the norm of role playing games for the PC.... but in all reality every game is a role playing game.. you take on a role of a character and play the game.  Mass effect is a story driven action adventure game... in comparison to PC RPG's it lacks a lot of elements that people have come to expect.

"RPG, or Roleplaying Game, is a type of game where you play or "roleplay" a specific character, and interact with the world through their particular viewpoint. The most prominent feature of this genre is the storyline, while some RPGs deviate from this, and form themselves up into more of an "action RPG" ( Diablo ) the vast majority of these games feature an intricate, overarching storyline, with interesting characters, each of whom has their own motivations."

I see no mention of leveling, or inventory management.

Play some RPGs or don't comment on them.  Wiki is not a valid source of facts.

RPG elements in a video game are housed inside this little thing we in the real world like to call context.  That definition of RPG covers everything from pen and paper to LARP and has no context.  So the responce to you is:

I see no mention of context that would make this definition relivant to the conversation.

[AM50]

laffy007 wrote...

I'm a mass effect 1 fanboy. I loved all the technical improvements to the game (and the sense of humor), but EA really ****ed this thing up. As always they love to be the public kissbutt with no individuality.
Example: heat clips? appearently guns cannot cool off on there own anymore.
They screwed up the lore, and story. and failed to create personalitys.
Congrats EA, you've screwed up another game.

It was a balance thing. Every soldier had the Rifle and pistol and shotgun, that with all the attachments, fired an unlimited time. The heat clips make it more tactical and difficult. I love the heat clips. Without it I would have never used the Tempest SMG or any others.

[ZennExile]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stop whining and go play Dragon Age. Mass Effect is Mass Effect, and most of us rather like it.

More people liked Mass Effect the "RPG" than ME2 the "Shooter".  So most of "Us" actually like the real Mass Effect.  Thank you for your completely useless input though.

[Tyrael100]

This game was great, not sure why people have been making these threads. I can see some reasons why but people tend to over react some times...

ONE thing i guess i can its not that major anyway but some of the choices i made in the first game didnt really make a enterance if that makes sense? Getting message from people i was thinking to myself um ok?
However, I liked the chick from the Zues Hope speaking to me, and also seeing that Fan Boy again hahaha! And other appearances also.But some others things made me think.
A MAJOR thing was in the first game i was destroying Cerberus bases or Labs. there wasnt a mention of it at all? Id assume the IM wasnt apart of that section then?

I also didnt see a point of having a LI in the 1st game, there wasnt much interaction around not sure what i wanted just saying.

Like is said its nothing major i still love this game, its awesome well worth the wait.

Modifié par Tyrael100, 04 février 2010 - 04:24 .

[vyvexthorne]

Default137 wrote...

vyvexthorne wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

RPG elements removed?

What the hell have I been playing, if it wasn't an RPG?

It's more RPG than FPS, by all accounts!! considering the third-person viewpoint.

Probably just means leveling system and inventory system were removed...since that has been the norm of role playing games for the PC.... but in all reality every game is a role playing game.. you take on a role of a character and play the game.  Mass effect is a story driven action adventure game... in comparison to PC RPG's it lacks a lot of elements that people have come to expect.

"RPG, or Roleplaying Game, is a type of game where you play or "roleplay" a specific character, and interact with the world through their particular viewpoint. The most prominent feature of this genre is the storyline, while some RPGs deviate from this, and form themselves up into more of an "action RPG" ( Diablo ) the vast majority of these games feature an intricate, overarching storyline, with interesting characters, each of whom has their own motivations."

I see no mention of leveling, or inventory management.

Exactly my point... but because of MMORPG's and Dungeons and Dragons types of pc role playing games a lot of people have confused the term Role play... With Roll play..   as in rolling up a character.  So when somebody who plays a lot of "Roll" Playing games sees RPG's ... they expect to be playing with character stats and micromanaging inventory.  It's just a confusion of terminology .. 

[KainrycKarr]

ZennExile wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stop whining and go play Dragon Age. Mass Effect is Mass Effect, and most of us rather like it.

More people liked Mass Effect the "RPG" than ME2 the "Shooter".  So most of "Us" actually like the real Mass Effect.  Thank you for your completely useless input though.

Really? Because I see an awful lot more people enjoying and talking about ME2 than complaining about it.

Besides, what's done is done.

[Arelyte]

It reeks of troll.

[KalosCast]

ZennExile wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stop whining and go play Dragon Age. Mass Effect is Mass Effect, and most of us rather like it.

More people liked Mass Effect the "RPG" than ME2 the "Shooter".  So most of "Us" actually like the real Mass Effect.  Thank you for your completely useless input though.

Mass Effect 1 was a shooter with a horrendous inventory system and terrible AI. Shut the **** up already.

[Wintermist]

So, it's a roleplaying shooter, they both are. But it's still a RPG by definition. Subdefinition is RPG Shooter. Why even argue on that.

[KainrycKarr]

Wintermist wrote...

So, it's a roleplaying shooter, they both are. But it's still a RPG by definition. Subdefinition is RPG Shooter. Why even argue on that.

Who knows. Maybe they think ME2 will be re-released? Or that ME3 will be different? Though with their logic of the big bad evil EA, why would EA change ME3 because a couple RPG purists got upset?

[ZennExile]

KalosCast wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stop whining and go play Dragon Age. Mass Effect is Mass Effect, and most of us rather like it.

More people liked Mass Effect the "RPG" than ME2 the "Shooter".  So most of "Us" actually like the real Mass Effect.  Thank you for your completely useless input though.

Mass Effect 1 was a shooter with a horrendous inventory system and terrible AI. Shut the **** up already.

So you never played it?  Or you played a demo and decided you'd wait for the sequel?

[ZennExile]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

So, it's a roleplaying shooter, they both are. But it's still a RPG by definition. Subdefinition is RPG Shooter. Why even argue on that.

Who knows. Maybe they think ME2 will be re-released? Or that ME3 will be different? Though with their logic of the big bad evil EA, why would EA change ME3 because a couple RPG purists got upset?

Because ME1 was way more popular than ME2?

[potatoman22]

The-Person wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Creative freedom as long as they met the deadlines and spent ZERO money on the project.

EA: "Do whatever you think is best.. as long as it's done in 2 weeks and you spend all the development money on advertising and skip the major RPG elements because they will take too long and cost too much money, you have full creative freedom."

Ummm no, they took out the RPG elements because people complained about them on these forums after the first game came out.

lol thats funny

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

ZennExile wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Creative freedom as long as they met the deadlines and spent ZERO money on the project.

EA: "Do whatever you think is best.. as long as it's done in 2 weeks and you spend all the development money on advertising and skip the major RPG elements because they will take too long and cost too much money, you have full creative freedom."

Not very bright are you? Specially as your claim of major RPG elements being taken out is a load of BS as I proved in 'The Little Things' topic.

You proved that you don't like RPGs and don't have a clue what RPG elements are yes.  But that doesn't really help.

Erm, wrong, I proved that you clearly have your head up your own arse.

I love RPGs and if you can't see the RPG elements in this game then you clearly aren't playing ME2

Your 'definition' of RPG is different to others, in fact I would say it is to a lot of RPG fans. If 'most' ME fans preferred ME to ME2 then every forum on the ME boards would be full of whiny little brats like you, I think the majority of the topics in this forum alone prove you are in the minority.

[KainrycKarr]

ZennExile wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stop whining and go play Dragon Age. Mass Effect is Mass Effect, and most of us rather like it.

More people liked Mass Effect the "RPG" than ME2 the "Shooter".  So most of "Us" actually like the real Mass Effect.  Thank you for your completely useless input though.

Mass Effect 1 was a shooter with a horrendous inventory system and terrible AI. Shut the **** up already.

So you never played it?  Or you played a demo and decided you'd wait for the sequel?

I played Mass Effect probably in the upwards of 40-50 times. Inventory was horrible. only maybe 3-4 lines of items were even remotely worth the inventory space. way too much vendor fodder and time spent cleaning inventory. Combat was wonky, and somewhat cheesy.

[screwoffreg]

lol I love the wild subjective opinions. By what standard is ME 1 more popular than ME 2? A few vocal people on this forum? If you really want to go the popularity route, ME 2 is on track to sell more than ME 1...so unless 90 percent of the people return the game in disgust over the TERRIBLE crime of no more inventory management and the supposed lack of RPG elements, I assume ME 2 will be more "popular".

[ChaoticBroth]

ZennExile wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stop whining and go play Dragon Age. Mass Effect is Mass Effect, and most of us rather like it.

More people liked Mass Effect the "RPG" than ME2 the "Shooter".  So most of "Us" actually like the real Mass Effect.  Thank you for your completely useless input though.

Mass Effect 1 was a shooter with a horrendous inventory system and terrible AI. Shut the **** up already.

So you never played it?  Or you played a demo and decided you'd wait for the sequel?

You're saying that people with a differing opinion have never played ME?

Wow, that's got to be the very definition of a fallacious argument.

[KainrycKarr]

ZennExile wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

So, it's a roleplaying shooter, they both are. But it's still a RPG by definition. Subdefinition is RPG Shooter. Why even argue on that.

Who knows. Maybe they think ME2 will be re-released? Or that ME3 will be different? Though with their logic of the big bad evil EA, why would EA change ME3 because a couple RPG purists got upset?

Because ME1 was way more popular than ME2?

With what? The couple of RPG purists who are upset because of the lack of vendor fodder?

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 04 février 2010 - 04:30 .